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wscottartwscottart Posts: 447
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The fluid simulations , wow how exciting! Now that gets me wondering are there any toosl to help create terrains inside of Studio? That's the one tool that made Bryce so powerful and drew me deep onto 3d. I miss that old grey scale modeller with its clipping brackets and all. Yes I could set up an old machine and create and export them for use in Studio,  but as somebody else pointed out its kinda nice to do all your work in one app as much as possible.

Love Daz Studio, but would really really love it be able to create terrains and skies =).

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  • fictionalbookshelffictionalbookshelf Posts: 837

    That would be awesome if we could do terrains.

  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 40,332

    https://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/comment/4440536/#Comment_4440536

  • AlbertoAlberto Posts: 1,458

    This Daz Studio's plugin creates terrains:https://www.daz3d.com/infinito-1-0

  • QuixotryQuixotry Posts: 919
    edited March 2019

    I've never used Bryce, so this may be a silly comparison for all I know, but I've used TerraDome a lot and it allows you to create some very nice terrains and skies. 

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  • wscottartwscottart Posts: 447
    edited March 2019

    Thank you for those links. I will check them out vey soon.

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  • wscottartwscottart Posts: 447

    Just found this tool. I had no ideal this tool existed.

    https://www.daz3d.com/infinito-1-0

     

    Has anybody used this? Is this similiar to the terrain creator in Bryce? Is it easy, hard?

  • Charlie JudgeCharlie Judge Posts: 13,314
    edited March 2019
    wscottart said:

    Just found this tool. I had no ideal this tool existed.

    https://www.daz3d.com/infinito-1-0

     

    Has anybody used this? Is this similiar to the terrain creator in Bryce? Is it easy, hard?

    It is fairly easy to use and uses grey scale maps; so, you can, for example, use grey scale DEMs to create a terrain. However, I don't feel like the detail is as good as Bryce. This is a terrain I created a few years ago with Infinito using a Grand Canyon DEM.

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  • wscottartwscottart Posts: 447
    Charlie Judge said:
    wscottart said:

    Just found this tool. I had no ideal this tool existed.

    https://www.daz3d.com/infinito-1-0

     

    Has anybody used this? Is this similiar to the terrain creator in Bryce? Is it easy, hard?

    It is fairly easy to use and uses grey scale maps; so, you can, for example, use grey scale DEMs to create a terrain. However, I don't feel like the detail is as good as Bryce. This is a terrain I created a few years ago with Infinito using a Grand Canyon DEM.

    Not bad, I wonder if that terrain would be better today using the smooth modifers. Its not bad it looks like it needs some subdivision, We can do that in Studio 4.10 can't we?

  • chickenmanchickenman Posts: 1,202

    if you have photoshop this may work.

    https://www.3d-map-generator.com/

  • dawnbladedawnblade Posts: 1,723

    Terradome 3 Iray

  • DartanbeckDartanbeck Posts: 21,988

    Export them from Carrara, which has an excellent terrain builder.

  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 40,332

    well yeah yes

    I was just linking Casuals script for the poor souls who cannot look beyond DAZ studio

    there is a whole world out there, hell Bryce even has a bridge, if too stingy to buy Carrara heart

    also free are Gaea, Terragen

  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 40,332

    https://quadspinner.com/Gaea

    https://planetside.co.uk/free-downloads/terragen-4-free-download/

  • wscottartwscottart Posts: 447

    I too have Carrara, but if If i have to work outside of Daz Studio then I would still choose Bryce for terrain creation. I've simply never encountered an other program that was as fun to use for terrain creation. I agree with everyone that there are alternatives many of which i use occasionally. I am simply looking for a way to create them directly in Daz so I am not jumping out all over the place. That infinito appears to be my solution for the moment.

  • Oso3DOso3D Posts: 15,090

    My issue isn't usually creating terrains, there are loads of ways to do it. The big issue is usually TEXTURING.

    Specifically, getting a nice texture that looks good at different distances is hard, and can turn a finely crafted mesh to looking 10+ years old tech.

     

  • TykeyStudiosTykeyStudios Posts: 870
    Oso3D said:

    My issue isn't usually creating terrains, there are loads of ways to do it. The big issue is usually TEXTURING.

    Specifically, getting a nice texture that looks good at different distances is hard, and can turn a finely crafted mesh to looking 10+ years old tech.

     

    Yes! I thoroughly like Terradome 3, but this issue I slightly have with the shader system. It's not horrible, but I am left a little unconvinced if that makes sense. I can't get Bryce and iRay to play nice so I stopped importing stuff from there (almost certain it's the lack of UVs). I might have to tinker with Carrara sometime. I always forget about that program.
  • DartanbeckDartanbeck Posts: 21,988
    GlenWebb said:
    Oso3D said:

    My issue isn't usually creating terrains, there are loads of ways to do it. The big issue is usually TEXTURING.

    Specifically, getting a nice texture that looks good at different distances is hard, and can turn a finely crafted mesh to looking 10+ years old tech.

     

     

    Yes! I thoroughly like Terradome 3, but this issue I slightly have with the shader system. It's not horrible, but I am left a little unconvinced if that makes sense. I can't get Bryce and iRay to play nice so I stopped importing stuff from there (almost certain it's the lack of UVs). I might have to tinker with Carrara sometime. I always forget about that program.

    It can take a bit of 'thinking outside the box' to get really nice textures for close-ups no matter which method is used to create the terrain. Carrara comes with some really nice presets that get a person started on some of the many ways that we can create our terrain shaders, yet they're all procedural - no texture maps. Making good tiling terrain maps can be really fun, and will make close-up terrain look really nice - especially if a little care goes into getting the scale right.

    I like to look at terrains not as a single piece, but many. This way a single time-consuming scene can be reused as another, entirely different scene with a bit of rotation here, nudge there - and that way I can make a really nice texture map for my terrain under my feet - the immediate surrounding ground - and keep that as small as I can while still maintaining the right appearance. So some scenes might need a 100' x 100' terrain, others might do fine with a quarter that size, give the rest of the surrounding terrain makes up the difference.

    Another (of many) major advantage to Carrara is the ability to quickly and easily create simple ground clutter objects and replicate them onto any surface in several powerful ways. The Plant editor is also incredible. The preset examples that come with Carrara are basic, but give great starting examples. While Howie farkes products (for Carrara) contain amazingly realistic presets that add directly to the system, thank to how Howie set it all up.

    Finally, Carrara's ability to quickly duplicate these terrains around the scene, use relistic skies, etc., etc., makes for an amazingly easy way to drop in a spherical camera and make a Dome Map for your Iray (DS) needs. I've done a lot of experiments on this. HDRI can become a bit of an exercise in patience - getting it just right takes a lot of practice. But even without using HDRI as a dome map, Iray can make wonderful use of any good spherical map.

  • davesodaveso Posts: 7,883
    Wendy_Carrara said:

    well yeah yes

    I was just linking Casuals script for the poor souls who cannot look beyond DAZ studio

    there is a whole world out there, hell Bryce even has a bridge, if too stingy to buy Carrara heart

    also free are Gaea, Terragen

    yeah... i was going to say it possible to export the Bryce terrains into DS ..

  • FSMCDesignsFSMCDesigns Posts: 12,846
    Oso3D said:

    My issue isn't usually creating terrains, there are loads of ways to do it. The big issue is usually TEXTURING.

    Specifically, getting a nice texture that looks good at different distances is hard, and can turn a finely crafted mesh to looking 10+ years old tech.

     

    This!

  • Charlie JudgeCharlie Judge Posts: 13,314
    edited March 2019
    Oso3D said:

    My issue isn't usually creating terrains, there are loads of ways to do it. The big issue is usually TEXTURING.

    Specifically, getting a nice texture that looks good at different distances is hard, and can turn a finely crafted mesh to looking 10+ years old tech.

     

    Is there any chance you would considered making a set of elevation controlled shaders?

    The free Ground Control plugin from Digital Carvers Guild plugin will import DEMs but they are totally unshaded: http://www.digitalcarversguild.com/os.php (click on the top heading until Ground Control comes up) and some elevation controlled shaders to use with it would be great.

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  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 40,332
    Charlie Judge said:
    Oso3D said:

    My issue isn't usually creating terrains, there are loads of ways to do it. The big issue is usually TEXTURING.

    Specifically, getting a nice texture that looks good at different distances is hard, and can turn a finely crafted mesh to looking 10+ years old tech.

     

    Is there any chance you would considered making a set of elevation controlled shaders?

    The free Ground Control plugin from Digital Carvers Guild plugin will import DEMs but they are totally unshaded: http://www.digitalcarversguild.com/os.php (click on the top heading until Ground Control comes up) and some elevation controlled shaders to use with it would be great.

    there are 3Delight shaders that do this devil

  • Charlie JudgeCharlie Judge Posts: 13,314
    Wendy_Carrara said:
    Charlie Judge said:
    Oso3D said:

    My issue isn't usually creating terrains, there are loads of ways to do it. The big issue is usually TEXTURING.

    Specifically, getting a nice texture that looks good at different distances is hard, and can turn a finely crafted mesh to looking 10+ years old tech.

     

    Is there any chance you would considered making a set of elevation controlled shaders?

    The free Ground Control plugin from Digital Carvers Guild plugin will import DEMs but they are totally unshaded: http://www.digitalcarversguild.com/os.php (click on the top heading until Ground Control comes up) and some elevation controlled shaders to use with it would be great.

    there are 3Delight shaders that do this devil

    Where ?

  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 40,332
    Charlie Judge said:
    Wendy_Carrara said:
    Charlie Judge said:
    Oso3D said:

    My issue isn't usually creating terrains, there are loads of ways to do it. The big issue is usually TEXTURING.

    Specifically, getting a nice texture that looks good at different distances is hard, and can turn a finely crafted mesh to looking 10+ years old tech.

     

    Is there any chance you would considered making a set of elevation controlled shaders?

    The free Ground Control plugin from Digital Carvers Guild plugin will import DEMs but they are totally unshaded: http://www.digitalcarversguild.com/os.php (click on the top heading until Ground Control comes up) and some elevation controlled shaders to use with it would be great.

    there are 3Delight shaders that do this devil

    Where ?

    radonmised by location https://www.daz3d.com/rock-shader-for-daz-studio

    are others related to elevation but damned if I can find them, I possibly own them or DAZ culled them angry

  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 40,332

    I did however find how to do it

    https://direct.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/62081/daz-studio-height-based-terrain-shaders-or-similar

  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 40,332
    edited March 2019

    if you render a height based terrain shader from top view you could use that texture

    I used to do that in Carrara before I got inagoni baker

    now of course since it is no longer for sale people without it still have to do that, carrara will render normal maps too

    so you can make some fairly good textures to use in DS on your imported Carrara terrains yes

    Carrara has a isometric camera too

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  • Oso3DOso3D Posts: 15,090

    I have a shader I've been poking at that layers elevation and Normal-based layering; I'll have to poke at it some more. Mmm.

     

  • davesodaveso Posts: 7,883

    Ground Control to Major Tom. 

    There were quite a few shaders here for terrains ... i think i saw them, because i all of a sudden one daqy said to myself, geez self, you have Bruyce and it exports terrains, or objects ... then I looked around and found some, plus I just added shaders for rocks and stuff like that to what I imported and it looked basically OK. 

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  • wscottartwscottart Posts: 447

    The infinito looks like it was going to be developed to version 2 back in 2012. Does the current version work in daz Studio 4.10?

    Terradome 3 looks pretty cool too. I'm tempted to give them all a try.

     

     

  • Charlie JudgeCharlie Judge Posts: 13,314
    wscottart said:

    The infinito looks like it was going to be developed to version 2 back in 2012. Does the current version work in daz Studio 4.10?

    Yes

    wscottart said:

    Terradome 3 looks pretty cool too. I'm tempted to give them all a try.

    I like it but it uses morphing terrains and doesn't work with grey scale maps or DEMs

  • Sven DullahSven Dullah Posts: 7,621

    Using high poly primitive planes with dFormer/push modifyer weight maps works pretty well for me.

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