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...I just don't know why they have to make an OS with so many ridiculous fluff features it always needs these updates. Security patches are one thing, but why do I care about all the feature rubbish I have no use for tying my system up every six months or less and possibly causing instabilities that result in downtime (with more frequent occurrence on older tech like I have)? All they needed to do build on the W7 model instead of try and "revolutionise" our systems turning them into desktop smartphones and giving them a stupid artificial persona as well as other fluff that really has no meaning. This isn't bloody Star Trek.
If people want that garbage it should be available in the MS app store as an add on, not integrated into the core OS.
+1. nuff said.
In principle I agree, but in practice I don't experience Windows 10 as being much different from Windows 7 or 8. If there's any new fancy features I'm not seeing them so they're not bothering me. Those huge updates can make me a bit nervous sometimes but so far I haven't had any problems with any of them. And that's on 10+ year old hardware.
I have not stored any personal or application data on my system drive for years so this latest screw up affected me only minimally but I still find it infuriating. A responsible computer user has the responsibility to protect their personal files from viruses/malware and they SHOULD educate themselves in order to do so. They SHOULD NOT have to protect their data from the operating system itself. Microsoft screwed up big time here. I do wonder if a class action would have merit.
I agree. I guess that reminiscing about "OLD" things are great, but anyone who tries and state that windows 7 was better functionally than windows 10, is looking at a world colored by old ideas.
..the difference with W7 you installed it, set it up the way you wanted and only had to deal with patch Tuesday (for me maybe 20 minutes a month). There was none of this every six month major feature update that can take hours to load depending on your connectivity, and which for some, has created issues. Even W7 Home Edition (which I originally had) didn't force anything down my system's throat and made me have to spend extra time removing new unwanted features after each update. I could even review security updates for bugs which one no longer can do unless he/she has the Enterprise Edition with volume licencing. Also W7 try and turn my desktop into a giant smartphone or something out of Star Trek with a ridiculous "personafied" digital assistant (which still runs in background even if it is "switched off").
...and for some, old school can still be preferable. Take cars for instance. 50 years ago they were pretty basic and simple. If something wore out like spark plugs, a belt, or the water pump, or the the air filter, the oil filter needed changing, or even to a complete oil change and tune up, I could do it myself. Today if even a dash panel light malfunctions, you have to take it into the service tech. These days, they may as well lock the bonnet down and slap a warning label on it that says "no user serviceable parts inside".
Keep in mind that Microsoft is a large corporation whose existence, like any other business, is to make money. Just like all of us. It employs a zillion people, and in order to pay them and keep the business running it needs to get income. Lots of it. So of course it's going to, like any other business, find ways to make money so it can thrive and grow.
Personally, I've never liked Windows since the beginnning, but in all fairness for most of us it's been relatively free for many, many years, and in spite of all the hyperactive responses to anything they do, in practice for most of us I think it's been fairly benign. Annoying, but pretty benign. Now if I was spending say $1,000 for a maintenance license every year or something, then yeah, I'd want a say in what they produce.
And if you expand that to all the other free software you have, it's hard to complain about any of it, IMO. In fact it's really pretty incredible, especially for those of us who can recall spending hundreds of $$ for any major software. But today you can get huge video editing suites for free, entire software development environments for free, tons of 3D rendering software for free, powerful graphics processing software for free, and so on.
i see your point. however...
i'd be happy - no, ecstatic! - if MS offered ONLY the base OS i.e. what you need to make your computer run for free, and all the rest of those features that i never use and fight every time to switch off (which is getting increasingly impossible to perform and enrages me!) as a plus you have to pay for, including their web browser that has been an object of contention already since they started to forcibly include it, the first step in their relentless march towards a big brother type all-including pack. short: everything but the basic complete OS optional. there is enough open source, freeware, shareware programs around that are way better than the MS apps anyways. i'd rather hang myself with my usb cable than use MS paint or the likes. or since there are people who obviously appreciate this kind of all-including system where every step is done for you so you can "just relax" and lay back, then offer a bare/basic AND a standard version.
i'm too tech ungifted, too lazy, too unfocused to switch over to linux or whatever, knowing there will be problems with compatibility with some of my main programs, and i have no desire to learn a new OS - i don't mind learning a new application but i'm not interested in the innards of my computer, i just want it to work as best as possible, and i don't care how it does it.
windows could be acceptable if they focused more/only on delivering an impeccable OS that lasts without hiccups for months, only update when really necessary i.e. they have some major improvements - and stop wasting time developping a ton of crap many people don't want, even less when it's forced on you with no means to stop it.
but this won't happen, because MS and windows are not "just" a company or an OS - it's a kind of cybernetic control, like politics etc., a way of life. we all know the parties from tomorrow will be even more multinational companies (than today), well that's part of it. MS or something similar will be in charge of your elevator, the light in your room, your microwave and your driverless car on top of monitoring your calls, messages and contacts, your whole private and social life. if you like old-ish scifi, read 1984 + brave new world - dudes knew what they were writing about 50 years ago already...
and it's not like i'll bury myself in a survival mole hill in the woods to escape it, i'm just gonna go with the (major part of) the flow, i'm too lazy to do otherwise.
BUT IT PISSES ME OFF WHEN RIGHT NOW, I HAVE TO FEAR EVERY NEW UPDATE WILL CRASH MY ENTIRE COMPUTER AND DELETE MY FILES/APPS BECAUSE MS IS NOT ONLY POWER GREEDY BUT ALSO INCOMPETENT...
I would like a basic version of Windows 10 that leaves out most of the extras and gets security updates only, not feature updates. I'd also like it to be controllable so it doesn't do things like keep redirecting me to other sites because it thinks I'd prefer them to the ones I asked for. I'd even be prepared to pay a bit more for it, like I payed extra to not have "special offers" on my Kindle.
If they did charge extra for it it would get round the problem of Microsoft relying on their online store to make money. Most people would probabably stay on the cheaper version with all the bloatware and it would provide a way to shut up us types who keep moaning about how we don't like Windows 10.
...sadly, that's what you get when you end up with what is effectively a monopoly that is so big it can simply buy out anything new that comes along which it fears may present real competition and do what it pleases, even if it is unpopular with a segment of its customers.
This whole "crusade" of theirs to become the one to "save the world" from the evil of malware by tying users' hands and playing "mommy", while at the same time, dumping more and more pointless feature rubbish (that adds potential vulnerability) down our systems' throats, is getting wearisome.
.Toodling around the other day I came upon some info at Microsoft re update. Some machines have had a block put on them because of an incompatible Intel graphics driver and my machine seems to be one of them. So I'm supposedly not getting the big win update yet. It's up to Dell to update the driver. I actually think the update is in the Dell Q, but its update app is so confusing I can't be sure and am holding back a bit. I'm still on 1803. Did get a 'critical' bios update from Dell which I installed though.
My beefs with win10 are majorly due to the almost 8 gigs of ram it swallows on a fresh boot. Can't get rid of Cortana or Skype not to mention the stuff I can't even identify. It's 23% of my ram!! Besides it takes about 1.6 gigs of my GTX1080. At least I'm using Intel for my display which I have no problem with.
You can disable Cortana and I have an option to uninstall Skype. Or are you on the home version?
...however, unless you have the Enterprise Edition with Volume Licencing, you cannot totally get Cortana totally off your system as it keeps running in background since it is integrated into the OS's basic search routine, and reactivates again at each feature update.
A totally stupid idea on MS's part. It should be an add on app.
Cortana is the evil spawn of Bob and Clippy.
There is a way for those using Windows 7 to keep using it and get security updates till 2023.. And that is to have a pro or higher version of Windows 7 and a bucket load of cash, as you have to pay for the updates..
https://betanews.com/2019/02/06/microsoft-windows-7-extended-security-updates-pricing/
..MS has been wanting to dump 7 and get everyone on 10 for years now. First there was the "free" (take that with a salt lick) upgrade offer, then the nagware, the auto updates, and finally rolling all patch Tuesday updates into a single "take it or leave it" bundle where you couldn't pick and choose which one to install to avoid bugs.
Again this crusade of theirs to be the "Paladin" against malware (at the cost of user preference and control) has become very old. very quick, It is almost like the church during the medieval era.
Maybe they mean the memory cache? W10 dose hold onto 8.5gb of system ram in the cache on my system; however on my computer, it does not at all negatively affect performance since I have 32gb of ram. So even with that 8.5 gb cache I still have 23.5gb of free ram.
Edit: Let me append this by saying, I currently have Chrome open with multiple tabs, Daz and Blender all running at the same time. So that may be affecting this number as well.
I wouldn't bother with LSTB if I was you. Just keeping a working clone is enough in my POV.
You shouldn't have to recover files if the update was successfull. And if it is not, Windows should roll back to the previous version.
I advise to create a restore point before any update, so that restoring can be done if something goes wrong. And also check that you can boot into the recovery console before
Packages and dependencies are generally recompiled for each distribution. Each distribution mainteners recompile from source, but that's only if you have the source to do that, which is not possible with closed proprietary softwares. For Linux there is however a solution, which is to make self contained packages including dependencies ( AppImage, Snappy or Flatpak ). Otherwise, the software maker only support a few distributions and some users usually find a way if their Linux is not supported.
Win 7 is considered as the perfect Windows for many people. If you know the history, about every 2 versions of Windows were considered better than their former version and you could feel the progression with each generation (I left out the Millenium edition on purpose)
Dos < Windows 3.1 < Windows 9x < Windows 2000/XP < Windows 7/8
Microsoft changed their update policy and it has a negative impact on many users. Between forced reboot and fear that the update will cause a mess, these points alone leave an overall feeling of regression. When a functionality that you took for granted is not as good as expected, it's not nostalgia
I don't deny that there are a few new thing that I will use, but what worked flawlessly must remain flawless
It's only if you are sure you will never need one of the new functionnality or hardware support. Windows 10 v1809 adds support for DXR, so if you buy a RTX card and have software that use it, you'll have to get this update
MS new policy is inducing that Windows 10 may be your last OS and every feature update year after year will add new features each time that you may or not need but you never know what could appear in the future
It's not a bad concept but MS needs to provide a better controlled process so that no more problem arise
You're right spot on the "problem". Windows 10 uses some free RAM as cache to accelerate applications. It's quicker that caching on HDD (I used to do that with RAMdrives)
When needed; Windows will give back some memory, so that's not really a problem
Support for new hardware should be part of the base version of the OS. What I want to remove the add-ons like the windows store, cortana, candy crush saga etc. Any update that requires moving my entire documents directory to a temporary directory which can then fail to be moved back when the update fails and which can make me have to re-enter my Daz Studio key on every restart should be excluded. I don't see any reason why security updates or new hardware support should need this sort of messing around.
I've mixed feelings about Cortana. From the little test I've done, it gets in my way. I guess that one of the reason is that it is not perfomant enough
For it to get better, it needs to get more datas to be better trained
So we don't know for sure what MS will do with datas it collects, and till now I've always blocked datas toward MS (and others like google too)
But at some point I think that if I want these apps to get better I may have to allow these datas to be collected
Oh, you mean the Standby Memory/Cache thing, not the pagefile.sys disk cache? Why is that a problem? I don't even notice it. I thought that's pretty much a non-issue, and Windows dynamically releases that temporary RAM when needed like Takeo says.
And honestly I just don't get this whole Cortana discussion. In the time it takes to write a post about its evilness you can disable it completely. And if you long for the old Windows Start menu and don't want all that new fluff, download the free Classic Shell and BAM!! You're back to the W7 stuff.
...many of those "background" processes are not as demanding as a speech synthesised app designed to learn from one's actions. I don't want Cortana even in the background, I want it off my system completely.
Oh and I actually do turn off some like "superfetch" which bloats with time.
..that's what is "said", then comes a new Feature Update and geuss what's back? Cortana is lame idea, just like "Bob" was in 1995. However, Bob wasn't integrated into a core OS routine (search) like Cortana is.
...I just don't care to bother with the disruptions that the consumer version of W10 involve. Also not into having spend time hunting down and uninstalling garbage I don't want or need on my system after every update. LSTB is like older versions of Windows. You buy it, install it, all it is is the base OS without all the worthless "fluff", you do your "patch Tuesday" thing for security updates each month like in the past, and that is it. I had no issue with that. Not into dealing with a VM, or partitioning, or anything like that. I just need one OS to do one simple job: run my software, is that too much to ask for? Why do they feel that overthinking things and messing up such a simple idea is supposedly "better"?
If I don't go the LSTB route, I will just tough it out with W7 Pro after 01/14/20 as I don't see it sa being "broken" for my needs. It's not like I'm going to be able to afford newer hardware like RTX, Zen or "Whatever Lake" anyway.
I'm with you on that. Since DXR is bound to directX12, I would have thought that a directX update should be enough but that's not what MS gives us. You have to "change" the whole OS
That may have something to do with some internal development process. No idea
BTW security update shouldn't mess your system. They are done the old way for what I've seen
For anyone serious about moving to Linux (or any other OS), I'd strongly suggest you first install something like Oracle Virtualbox (which I believe is still free?) so that you can run the other OS in a window on your Windows machine (ie, as a "virtual machine"). It's a great way to try out the OS, and have good interaction so you can move files over and so on, without having a major disruption. And that way if you try to new OS and decide down the road you've changed your mind, it's super easy to just delete the OS and move on. Especially with Linux, as I've seen a lot of people change their mind after they try it.