Windows update clobbers Daz Studio

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  • GafftheHorseGafftheHorse Posts: 567
    edited March 2019
    ebergerly said:

    Coincidentally, I was looking at some stuff online regarding doing some audio effects in my favorite video editing software on the planet (Davinci Resolve) and ran across this interesting set of conclusions from Puget Systems after they tested Resolve's performance in Windows vs. Linux. I think they summarize it pretty well, and echo much of what I've been saying:

    From a pure performance standpoint, we surprisingly have to give a slight edge to Windows 10. Frankly, however, the difference is small enough that you probably shouldn't base your OS selection on performance alone. If you already have a firm reason for using Linux, then your decision is likely already made for you. However, for those that have not used it before we do want to point out some major considerations that you should take into account if you are considering Linux:

    1: Linux has a high learning curve

    If you have not used Linux much in the past, be prepared for a lot of Googling and banging your head against the wall. Even something as seemingly simple as installing software usually requires the use of the terminal (similar to Window's command line) and commands that may look like a random string of characters. In addition, if drivers are not installed in the proper manner you can run into issues as serious as the OS no longer booting if you run software updates. The nice thing with Linux is that it's open nature means almost anything can be fixed but we highly recommend only considering Linux if you or someone on your IT staff has extensive experience with it.

    Certainly, 'Linux would have a slight learning curve if you are used to Windows, as to "banging your head against the wall", that's not going to make your brain work any more efficiently.

    Some 'Linux distros do rely more on system adminstration via the command line than via GUI, but this is a good thing in that it is relatively standard across distros while UIs are often not. However, these distros are not ones that specifically cater to the casual user. There are plenty of distros that do and are increasingly providing s/w installation and updates via GUI. As to whether commmands look like a 'random string of characters', we have to put that down to damage sustained in previously mentioned activity of "banging your head against the wall"

    Nice thing about 'Linux is it's quite robust, and most boot issues can be fixed as boot will often drop you onto the console. I admit that this might not be much help if the sight of a commandline interface prompts your to bouts of cranial abuse.

    ebergerly said:

    2: DaVinci Resolve has very limited audio support in Linux

    If you want to use the audio built into your system or even an external DAC, you are most likely going to be out of luck. At the moment, DaVinci Resolve is only able to output audio in Linux through something like a Blackmagic DeckLink or Intensity card. This will send the audio through HDMI or SDI, however, so you also need a grading monitor that supports audio out - hopefully in the form of an audio jack so you can use speakers or a headset rather than any built-in monitor speakers. We do want to note that even with a DeckLink Studio 4K we have had some audio issues in Resolve. At times, the audio would be just fine in the Edit tab, but in the Color tab it was garbled and filled with static. So if audio is something you need, Linux is likely not the right OS for you.

    So Da Vinci Resolve is only able to output audio in 'Linux through a Blackmagic Decklink or Intensity card - is this the same 'Blackmagic' as in Blackmagic Design that are now developping Da Vinci Resolve?

    - sounds a lot like, we're going to tie a product we make to only work with another product (we make). That sounds not like a 'Linux flaw, but the product owner wants to take a segment of their customers for a ride...or just plain refuses to develop interfaces to any currently available linux audio system (OSS, ALSA, Pulseaudio, Jack).

    ebergerly said:

    3: Not all related software works in Linux

    In particular, we want to point out that Adobe applications like Premiere Pro, After Effects, and Photoshop do not work natively in Linux. Due to this, be sure to double check that any applications you use in addition to DaVinci Resolve support Linux.

    No, software houses like Adobe do not put out 'Linux native editions of their popular software. I doubt this will be an issue in a year or two as companies eager for the guaranteed regular income shift to web-based solutions with a subscription base.

    ebergerly said:

    4: Not all hardware has Linux support

    This could be anything from external devices to hardware integrated into your motherboard. As an example, the Thunderbolt 3 controller built into the X299 system we used in this testing does not currently work in CentOS and actually causes the OS to hang for 10-15 minutes during startup.

    This may sound overly critical of Linux, but the truth is that while Linux is not at all bad and in some situations is completely the right choice, for most DaVinci Resolve users Windows is the better option. If there was a significant performance benefit it may be different, but given that Windows is actually slightly better for performance overall, Linux and CentOS in particular is something we are not going to recommend for most of our customers at this time.

    It's less 'Linux has less hardware support' than it is 'Linux has less support from hardware vendors' who often don't bother to provide a driver or worse, actively or passively stonewall community efforts to provide a native driver.

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  • vwranglervwrangler Posts: 4,973
    kyoto kid said:
    vwrangler said:
    kyoto kid said:

    ...in my case ""free" would not have been a very good price as I'd have W10 Home Edition which would have given MS almost total control over what goes on your my system and myself, little to none.

    Still weighing out W10 LTSB.  Yeah, about 100$ more than 10 Pro, but with none of the useless feature fluff or interruptions.every six months.

    Unless you're a business doing volume license purchasing, you can't get LTSB as an individual user. You have to purchase Windows 10 Enterprise, not Pro, and then you have to purchase at least 10 copies (or possibly five; I've seen both numbers around). Paying an extra $1000 (the $100 LTSB fee) plus the cost of the extra 9 Windows 10 licenses, plus whatever the difference between Pro and Enterprise is, seems like it might be a costly way to avoid this mess.

    Very technically, there's an evaluation ISO you can install and run for 90 days, with one or two renewals. After 90 days, it starts nagging you to get a "real" Windows license, and after the first or second renewal (unclear), it locks your computer.

    ..actually not.  Windows 10 LSTB sells of about 295$. 

    https://www.trustedtechteam.com/products/microsoft-windows-10-enterprise-ltsb?dfw_tracker=22777-8694630776923&gclid=CjwKCAiAiJPkBRAuEiwAEDXZZWSAYX8G-6U9h2K3HmUCCFH-SGbCWaVRG6g5kphDItRwhVIFVttMDBoCHVQQAvD_BwE

    What did trustedtechteam.com say when you contacted them about the licensing?

    When you expand out the page, the description says things like "These will not be updated with new features but will have security and critical updates applied, although the organization can manage and control the distribution of these updates"  and "For more info on Windows 10 licensing check out the Microsoft page, call or chat with our staff to figure out the best licensing option for you at 855-202-8140."  The Microsoft page they link to is very clear that they're talking about volume licensing, and you do have to go to the volume licensing page to register what you purchase from that site. If you don't have an existing volume license, or if you aren't registering the required number of copies, Microsoft may refuse to honor your purchase, since they very clearly don't want Enterprise LTSB in the hands of individual users.

    Verify before trusting, I guess I'm suggesting.

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,934
    edited March 2019

    ...went to the source, will get an answer probably tomorrow. 

    This is the way W10 should have been released, no useless fluff and no twice a year updates that interfere with processes and create instabilities as many have experienced (particularly with slightly older systems as I have). I've been running a pared down W7 for 6 years now an without a hitch other than buggy Nvidia drivers causing BSODs. 

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  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,934
    edited March 2019

    ...OK received the reply and details from Trusted Tech:

    Basically, the software  is a perpetual license, which means, I would be buying it outright and will own it forever. There would not be any additional fees after the initial purchase. Once the order is processed, I would be able to create an Account on the VLSC at which point I am able to register the Authorization & Agreement to obtain download & licensing information . I would also able to log back in to access my account at any point for future reinstallations and so on.

    For a single machine the full cost would be:

    1x Windows 10 Enterprise LTSB - $294.99
    4x Filler SKU @ 7.50 = $30.00 (these allow for sidestepping the 5 unit minimum and are a one time fee) 
    Total = $324.99

    Still waiting on a response from Microsoft.

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  • ebergerlyebergerly Posts: 3,255
    kyoto kid said:

    For a single machine the full cost would be:

    1x Windows 10 Enterprise LTSB - $294.99
    4x Filler SKU @ 7.50 = $30.00 (these allow for sidestepping the 5 unit minimum and are a one time fee) 
    Total = $324.99

    Good info. 

    So I can spend $40 on a backup hard drive, or $325 on a custom version of Windows 10 that nobody else uses.

    Hmmm....

     

  • vwranglervwrangler Posts: 4,973
    edited March 2019
    kyoto kid said:

    ...OK received the reply and details from Trusted Tech:

    Basically, the software  is a perpetual license, which means, I would be buying it outright and will own it forever. There would not be any additional fees after the initial purchase. Once the order is processed, I would be able to create an Account on the VLSC at which point I am able to register the Authorization & Agreement to obtain download & licensing information . I would also able to log back in to access my account at any point for future reinstallations and so on.

    For a single machine the full cost would be:

    1x Windows 10 Enterprise LTSB - $294.99
    4x Filler SKU @ 7.50 = $30.00 (these allow for sidestepping the 5 unit minimum and are a one time fee) 
    Total = $324.99

    Still waiting on a response from Microsoft.

    That is astounding. Everything I've seen says that the license for Windows 10 Enterprise (LTSB or otherwise) is the base fee plus $7.50 per license per month. I'm surprised that Microsoft would give up that sort of income, or allowing a reseller to handle a license in that way. That $30 would normally be a minimum monthly fee, not a one time fee.

     

    ebergerly said:
    kyoto kid said:

    For a single machine the full cost would be:

    1x Windows 10 Enterprise LTSB - $294.99
    4x Filler SKU @ 7.50 = $30.00 (these allow for sidestepping the 5 unit minimum and are a one time fee) 
    Total = $324.99

    Good info. 

    So I can spend $40 on a backup hard drive, or $325 on a custom version of Windows 10 that nobody else uses.

    Hmmm....

     

    To be fair: it's a custom version of Windows 10 that is used in businesses which need to have computers that don't get updated constantly, and which strips out a lot of stuff including most of the telemetry snooping that a business would never ever tolerate if they could avoid it. Enterprise itself also strips out most of that, but can keep a few of the things like Cortana and can also accept feature updates should the business configure it to do so. LTSB cannot accept feature updates, ever; only security updates. It's not primarily -- or really, at all -- about backups. It's about maintaining control of your computer when Microsoft doesn't want you to.

    That said, because it can't accept feature updates, LTSB has very firm end-of-support dates; THAT said, they're way out there. LTSC 2019's end of security support is something like 2029.

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  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,934

    ...the LSTB version even strips out Cortana. as well as other useless "fluffware".

  • ebergerlyebergerly Posts: 3,255
    vwrangler said:

    It's not primarily -- or really, at all -- about backups. It's about maintaining control of your computer when Microsoft doesn't want you to.

    I suspect if folks really knew the amount of control the entire internet and all your other software has over your computer and personal information, the Microsoft stuff would pale in comparison. 

  • manekiNekomanekiNeko Posts: 1,444

    after reading the OP of this thread, i immediately switched my connection to metered again, fearing something similar might happen to me/my laptop - i had enough of a nightmare after last april and the update 1809 or something. as i mentioned in my previous post, updates are delivered without your consent (and good luck to try to stop win10 to install them once they've reached your system!!), but with metered it can be prevented - at least afaik.

    but just before, an icon on my task tray appeared, and win10's update UI is informing me that the download of a new update "2019-03 Cumulative Update for Windows 10 Version 1803 for x64-based Systems (KB4489868)" is pending... and that since my connection is metered i should take action... is it the update that caused the OP so much trouble? only a few days have passed since, and afaik MS rolls out their updates during a few days, right? so it's really possible. i checked MS's site for more info, and they list known issues about this update. now, i am TOTALLY TECH UNGIFTED, and the whole page could be in chinese i wouldn't understand much less.

  • AllenArtAllenArt Posts: 7,175
    SixDs said:

    Can we please put all the Linux FUDD to rest. I get it. Some people don't like Linux. Fine. Move on. This thread is about a borked Windows update, not how scary Linux is. (P.S. As a Windows user that has used every version of Windows since 3, not to mention MS-DOS (Ewww, scary command line - Boo!), I have no axe to grind about Linux. But I do grow tired of hearing the same old, lame sorry, worn out arguments against Linux that have been used for years by those who seem to have some vested interested in frightening people like a parent frightening their children with stories of the boogieman. I may be a Windows user, but I know that there are a myriad of Linux distributions out there that offer the user the option of deciding for themselves how much complexity they wish to deal with, including some that are every bit as easy to use as Windows. Just not Windows.

    This :)

    Laurie

  • RAMWolffRAMWolff Posts: 10,352
    edited March 2019

    Windows update shouldn't have deleted anything. Eventually if you didn't have enough space but that should be checked before the update process and prevent it from beginning unless you specify to not keep old datas.

    Isn't there any $WINDOWS.~BT directory at the C root ?

     

    I've always found 'lost' files in the Windows.old directory in the C: root.  Only annoying thing about that is that everything is set to "Read Only" so once restored to where it's supposed to live I have to go through the long process of having Windows changing that to Read / Write and if you have allot of data that can take a while.  

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  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,934

    ...I've worked in Linux,  Yes, it can be very easy to use.  The stumbling block is the fact many graphics programmes don't support it, the reason being, the different flavours of Linux in use.  Windows has basically one "distro" and three editions ,so when software is compiled for it all three editions will support it with no issues.  Now if  a programme is compiled for say Mint, it may not work the same, or as well on Red Hat or Open Linux.  I remember a discussion on this from a while back and one comment made perfect sense, which distro do you support? If it's Distro "A" then users of Distro "B" and "C" will feel they are left out. To support all three would require having a specilised development team for each, something even a large company like Autodesk or Adobe don't support. 

    Don't get me wrong, I'd love nothing more than to see Daz for Linux (Blender and Octane support it) as it would mean I could wave bye-bye to W10, but at what "price"? What  do they do to offset the cost for hiring new development personnel?

  • after reading the OP of this thread, i immediately switched my connection to metered again, fearing something similar might happen to me/my laptop - i had enough of a nightmare after last april and the update 1809 or something. as i mentioned in my previous post, updates are delivered without your consent (and good luck to try to stop win10 to install them once they've reached your system!!), but with metered it can be prevented - at least afaik.

    but just before, an icon on my task tray appeared, and win10's update UI is informing me that the download of a new update "2019-03 Cumulative Update for Windows 10 Version 1803 for x64-based Systems (KB4489868)" is pending... and that since my connection is metered i should take action... is it the update that caused the OP so much trouble? only a few days have passed since, and afaik MS rolls out their updates during a few days, right? so it's really possible. i checked MS's site for more info, and they list known issues about this update. now, i am TOTALLY TECH UNGIFTED, and the whole page could be in chinese i wouldn't understand much less.

    I would also like to know if the latest update is (still) the one that is causing so much D/S grief. After my son had to recover my desktop for me last week (unrelated to update because I haven't updated) both son & husband-the-ex-IT-guy have been Strongly Suggesting I allow updates, & are Not Happy I won't do so until that problem-causing update is patched.

    I wish MS would go back to the Win 7 update system, where the computer would notify me of updates and I could choose which if any to install, and usually I would do just the Security ones.

     

  • edited March 2019

    after reading the OP of this thread, i immediately switched my connection to metered again, fearing something similar might happen to me/my laptop - i had enough of a nightmare after last april and the update 1809 or something. as i mentioned in my previous post, updates are delivered without your consent (and good luck to try to stop win10 to install them once they've reached your system!!), but with metered it can be prevented - at least afaik.

    but just before, an icon on my task tray appeared, and win10's update UI is informing me that the download of a new update "2019-03 Cumulative Update for Windows 10 Version 1803 for x64-based Systems (KB4489868)" is pending... and that since my connection is metered i should take action... is it the update that caused the OP so much trouble? only a few days have passed since, and afaik MS rolls out their updates during a few days, right? so it's really possible. i checked MS's site for more info, and they list known issues about this update. now, i am TOTALLY TECH UNGIFTED, and the whole page could be in chinese i wouldn't understand much less.

    I would also like to know if the latest update is (still) the one that is causing so much D/S grief. After my son had to recover my desktop for me last week (unrelated to update because I haven't updated) both son & husband-the-ex-IT-guy have been Strongly Suggesting I allow updates, & are Not Happy I won't do so until that problem-causing update is patched.

    I wish MS would go back to the Win 7 update system, where the computer would notify me of updates and I could choose which if any to install, and usually I would do just the Security ones.

     

    That "problem causing update (version 1809)" occurred months ago, has been patched, and happened with people who had opted into the windows Early Entry program, in other words, people who volunteered to run beta versions of windows 10.  If you don't volunteer to to run beta versions of windows, don't use the Recycle Bin as a storage location, and keep any level of backups, you shouldn't have any problems.

    Despite the horror stories and drama posted on many websites like these, the so-called horrific problems actually occurred to an extremely small portion of the installed windows 10 population.  It's just that people love drama, and that's how you get attention on these forums.  

    You should listen to what they are advising.

    Post edited by davidwski_16294691f0 on
  • sapatsapat Posts: 1,735

    Last year, my husband had to return his laptop to the factory to get it wiped and have win10 reinstalled.  It took all the OEM stuff off his computer meaning his thingy where you can use face recognition, etc. It also wiped his camera out.  HP said 'oh it's not our problem, its a windows problem;. So it was a circus round and round. So he told them he wanted a complete refund and he'd never buy another one again.  But he has to have win 10 for his job, so should ge just invest in the Pro version so he can control the forced updates?

  • ebergerlyebergerly Posts: 3,255
    edited March 2019

      

    AllenArt said:
    SixDs said:

    Can we please put all the Linux FUDD to rest. I get it. Some people don't like Linux. Fine. Move on. This thread is about a borked Windows update, not how scary Linux is. (P.S. As a Windows user that has used every version of Windows since 3, not to mention MS-DOS (Ewww, scary command line - Boo!), I have no axe to grind about Linux. But I do grow tired of hearing the same old, lame sorry, worn out arguments against Linux that have been used for years by those who seem to have some vested interested in frightening people like a parent frightening their children with stories of the boogieman. I may be a Windows user, but I know that there are a myriad of Linux distributions out there that offer the user the option of deciding for themselves how much complexity they wish to deal with, including some that are every bit as easy to use as Windows. Just not Windows.

    This :)

    Laurie

    Well, in all fairness to those who have never tried Linux and are curious whether it will solve their Windows woes, I think it's at least reasonable to discuss the pros and cons. And considering there's a thread started in 2015 near the top of the "recent" posts list today (which has over 27,000 views) discussing "DAZ Studio and Linux", with well-intentioned folks trying to work out for the last 4 years how to get Studio running well on Linux, I'm not sure if "Linux FUDD" is really appropriate. There's clearly a lot of interest in the topic, and I think it would be a huge disservice to just say "wow, Linux is awesome, everyone should go out and wipe your Windows disk clean and install Linux instead". 

    Post edited by ebergerly on
  • AllenArtAllenArt Posts: 7,175

    Well, I like Linux a lot (prefer Xubuntu or Kubuntu with new plasma desktop), but I'm no Linux guru by any stretch and don't care to use any Windows software on a Linux machine. I'd much rather use Linux softtware in Linux and not have to jump thru hoops. However, Linux on it's own is a very solid OS and if you don't do the kind of things we do or you can get by with nothing but open source/Linux software, then by all means, use it if you can. IF however, all the software I currently use in Windows was suddenly available in Linux I'd drop Windows so fast it would be scary. LOL

    Laurie

  • after reading the OP of this thread, i immediately switched my connection to metered again, fearing something similar might happen to me/my laptop - i had enough of a nightmare after last april and the update 1809 or something. as i mentioned in my previous post, updates are delivered without your consent (and good luck to try to stop win10 to install them once they've reached your system!!), but with metered it can be prevented - at least afaik.

    but just before, an icon on my task tray appeared, and win10's update UI is informing me that the download of a new update "2019-03 Cumulative Update for Windows 10 Version 1803 for x64-based Systems (KB4489868)" is pending... and that since my connection is metered i should take action... is it the update that caused the OP so much trouble? only a few days have passed since, and afaik MS rolls out their updates during a few days, right? so it's really possible. i checked MS's site for more info, and they list known issues about this update. now, i am TOTALLY TECH UNGIFTED, and the whole page could be in chinese i wouldn't understand much less.

    I would also like to know if the latest update is (still) the one that is causing so much D/S grief. After my son had to recover my desktop for me last week (unrelated to update because I haven't updated) both son & husband-the-ex-IT-guy have been Strongly Suggesting I allow updates, & are Not Happy I won't do so until that problem-causing update is patched.

    I wish MS would go back to the Win 7 update system, where the computer would notify me of updates and I could choose which if any to install, and usually I would do just the Security ones.

     

    That "problem causing update (version 1809)" occurred months ago, has been patched, and happened with people who had opted into the windows Early Entry program, in other words, people who volunteered to run beta versions of windows 10.  If you don't volunteer to to run beta versions of windows, don't use the Recycle Bin as a storage location, and keep any level of backups, you shouldn't have any problems.

    Despite the horror stories and drama posted on many websites like these, the so-called horrific problems actually occurred to an extremely small portion of the installed windows 10 population.  It's just that people love drama, and that's how you get attention on these forums.  

    You should listen to what they are advising.

    Going to backup my stuff this week, then try an update, I think. I don't use Recycle Bin to store stuff (Are there actually people who do? Riskwise, that sounds somewhere between "not using anti-malware software" & "giving out all your banking info to random emails") & I don't do software betas. Final release versions give me enough problems. LOL

    And if the update gives me trouble, I will ask politely for help, then go off to quietly commune with my chocolate stash, while they re-install my backups. :)

  • after reading the OP of this thread, i immediately switched my connection to metered again, fearing something similar might happen to me/my laptop - i had enough of a nightmare after last april and the update 1809 or something. as i mentioned in my previous post, updates are delivered without your consent (and good luck to try to stop win10 to install them once they've reached your system!!), but with metered it can be prevented - at least afaik.

    but just before, an icon on my task tray appeared, and win10's update UI is informing me that the download of a new update "2019-03 Cumulative Update for Windows 10 Version 1803 for x64-based Systems (KB4489868)" is pending... and that since my connection is metered i should take action... is it the update that caused the OP so much trouble? only a few days have passed since, and afaik MS rolls out their updates during a few days, right? so it's really possible. i checked MS's site for more info, and they list known issues about this update. now, i am TOTALLY TECH UNGIFTED, and the whole page could be in chinese i wouldn't understand much less.

    I would also like to know if the latest update is (still) the one that is causing so much D/S grief. After my son had to recover my desktop for me last week (unrelated to update because I haven't updated) both son & husband-the-ex-IT-guy have been Strongly Suggesting I allow updates, & are Not Happy I won't do so until that problem-causing update is patched.

    I wish MS would go back to the Win 7 update system, where the computer would notify me of updates and I could choose which if any to install, and usually I would do just the Security ones.

     

    That "problem causing update (version 1809)" occurred months ago, has been patched, and happened with people who had opted into the windows Early Entry program, in other words, people who volunteered to run beta versions of windows 10.  If you don't volunteer to to run beta versions of windows, don't use the Recycle Bin as a storage location, and keep any level of backups, you shouldn't have any problems.

    Despite the horror stories and drama posted on many websites like these, the so-called horrific problems actually occurred to an extremely small portion of the installed windows 10 population.  It's just that people love drama, and that's how you get attention on these forums.  

    You should listen to what they are advising.

    And even for those of us that run the Windows Insider releases, it was a small number of users that were affected. My only real complaint about them is the fact I have to keep reentering my network passwords, which shouldn't have to be done.

  • TheKDTheKD Posts: 2,711
    edited March 2019
    AllenArt said:

    Well, I like Linux a lot (prefer Xubuntu or Kubuntu with new plasma desktop), but I'm no Linux guru by any stretch and don't care to use any Windows software on a Linux machine. I'd much rather use Linux softtware in Linux and not have to jump thru hoops. However, Linux on it's own is a very solid OS and if you don't do the kind of things we do or you can get by with nothing but open source/Linux software, then by all means, use it if you can. IF however, all the software I currently use in Windows was suddenly available in Linux I'd drop Windows so fast it would be scary. LOL

    Laurie

    Agreed. If games would do the same even better. Wouldn't mind dual booting for games, if all my software ran in linux, I would probably be on mint or xubuntu fulltime. I really like those minimum hardware use OS. Save all the horsepower for what I brought it for, graphics programs.

    Post edited by TheKD on
  • vwranglervwrangler Posts: 4,973
    sapat said:

    Last year, my husband had to return his laptop to the factory to get it wiped and have win10 reinstalled.  It took all the OEM stuff off his computer meaning his thingy where you can use face recognition, etc. It also wiped his camera out.  HP said 'oh it's not our problem, its a windows problem;. So it was a circus round and round. So he told them he wanted a complete refund and he'd never buy another one again.  But he has to have win 10 for his job, so should ge just invest in the Pro version so he can control the forced updates?

    Yes, he should absolutely get the Pro version if he needs it for work. The last thing you need is to have your work or schedule disrupted because Windows decides that it's going to update you at a given time, whether you want it or not. You also don't need to be an unpaid beta tester, which is more or less explicitly what Microsoft does with people using Windows 10 Home.

  • ebergerlyebergerly Posts: 3,255

     

    That "problem causing update (version 1809)" occurred months ago, has been patched, and happened with people who had opted into the windows Early Entry program, in other words, people who volunteered to run beta versions of windows 10. 

    Am I the only one who thinks it's kinda hilarious that those who agree to be BETA testers for new Windows versions get all upset when the BETA version has problems?  

    I keep recommending that folks delay updates in all software for at least a few months, at least until other users can do all the bug checking for you. Because at the end of the day, there's probably a 99% chance you don't REALLY need that update right now, right? laugh 

    Oh, and it looks like another April update is in the works, so be prepared for the inevitable horror stories and drama. Which, in the end, like always, will probably turn out to be much ado about nothing. 

  • prixatprixat Posts: 1,616

    I do some informal IT support 'on the weekend'. This last Windows update has led to a useful bit of beer money. 

  • manekiNekomanekiNeko Posts: 1,444
    prixat said:

    I do some informal IT support 'on the weekend'. This last Windows update has led to a useful bit of beer money. 

    that sounds ominous. and since i have no money for beer - not for myself and even less for friendly PC doctors (i dunno any in this crappy town anyways) - not even mentioning so many problems IRL at the moment my brain & heart are about to explode so i really really don't need problems that break my laptop too, my only source of enjoyment and escape, i'll delay this update for as long as i can. like, months. until i can verify that whatever update i allow is safe...

  • Peter WadePeter Wade Posts: 1,667

    after reading the OP of this thread, i immediately switched my connection to metered again, fearing something similar might happen to me/my laptop - i had enough of a nightmare after last april and the update 1809 or something. as i mentioned in my previous post, updates are delivered without your consent (and good luck to try to stop win10 to install them once they've reached your system!!), but with metered it can be prevented - at least afaik.

    but just before, an icon on my task tray appeared, and win10's update UI is informing me that the download of a new update "2019-03 Cumulative Update for Windows 10 Version 1803 for x64-based Systems (KB4489868)" is pending... and that since my connection is metered i should take action... is it the update that caused the OP so much trouble? only a few days have passed since, and afaik MS rolls out their updates during a few days, right? so it's really possible. i checked MS's site for more info, and they list known issues about this update. now, i am TOTALLY TECH UNGIFTED, and the whole page could be in chinese i wouldn't understand much less.

    This was not the one that caused my problems. The one I had problems witth was a "feature update", not a Cumulative update. It was one of the ones where Windows tells you "This is going to take a while" and goes through a few restarts in the installation.

  • Peter WadePeter Wade Posts: 1,667

    after reading the OP of this thread, i immediately switched my connection to metered again, fearing something similar might happen to me/my laptop - i had enough of a nightmare after last april and the update 1809 or something. as i mentioned in my previous post, updates are delivered without your consent (and good luck to try to stop win10 to install them once they've reached your system!!), but with metered it can be prevented - at least afaik.

    but just before, an icon on my task tray appeared, and win10's update UI is informing me that the download of a new update "2019-03 Cumulative Update for Windows 10 Version 1803 for x64-based Systems (KB4489868)" is pending... and that since my connection is metered i should take action... is it the update that caused the OP so much trouble? only a few days have passed since, and afaik MS rolls out their updates during a few days, right? so it's really possible. i checked MS's site for more info, and they list known issues about this update. now, i am TOTALLY TECH UNGIFTED, and the whole page could be in chinese i wouldn't understand much less.

    I would also like to know if the latest update is (still) the one that is causing so much D/S grief. After my son had to recover my desktop for me last week (unrelated to update because I haven't updated) both son & husband-the-ex-IT-guy have been Strongly Suggesting I allow updates, & are Not Happy I won't do so until that problem-causing update is patched.

    I wish MS would go back to the Win 7 update system, where the computer would notify me of updates and I could choose which if any to install, and usually I would do just the Security ones.

     

    That "problem causing update (version 1809)" occurred months ago, has been patched, and happened with people who had opted into the windows Early Entry program, in other words, people who volunteered to run beta versions of windows 10.  If you don't volunteer to to run beta versions of windows, don't use the Recycle Bin as a storage location, and keep any level of backups, you shouldn't have any problems.

    Despite the horror stories and drama posted on many websites like these, the so-called horrific problems actually occurred to an extremely small portion of the installed windows 10 population.  It's just that people love drama, and that's how you get attention on these forums.  

    You should listen to what they are advising.

    Well I didn't sign up for an early entry programme. I never agreed to run beta versions of Windows. It seems that whatever fixes they did before going to full release were not very effective.

  • Well I didn't sign up for an early entry programme. I never agreed to run beta versions of Windows. It seems that whatever fixes they did before going to full release were not very effective.

    Just because something has been through a beta test stage doesn't guarentee there are not issues with certain systems for various reasons. Take it from someone that's rarely had computer issues, and almost never had problems with OS versions that people classify as some of the worst products Microsoft has released.

  • manekiNekomanekiNeko Posts: 1,444

    after reading the OP of this thread, i immediately switched my connection to metered again, fearing something similar might happen to me/my laptop - i had enough of a nightmare after last april and the update 1809 or something. as i mentioned in my previous post, updates are delivered without your consent (and good luck to try to stop win10 to install them once they've reached your system!!), but with metered it can be prevented - at least afaik.

    but just before, an icon on my task tray appeared, and win10's update UI is informing me that the download of a new update "2019-03 Cumulative Update for Windows 10 Version 1803 for x64-based Systems (KB4489868)" is pending... and that since my connection is metered i should take action... is it the update that caused the OP so much trouble? only a few days have passed since, and afaik MS rolls out their updates during a few days, right? so it's really possible. i checked MS's site for more info, and they list known issues about this update. now, i am TOTALLY TECH UNGIFTED, and the whole page could be in chinese i wouldn't understand much less.

    This was not the one that caused my problems. The one I had problems witth was a "feature update", not a Cumulative update. It was one of the ones where Windows tells you "This is going to take a while" and goes through a few restarts in the installation.

    thx for the info, i'm a bit relieved. still gonna reseach this update pending for me tho before i allow it. and i have no clue what the difference is (or that there actually was a difference at all!) between feature/cumulative update, but now you've brought my attention to this particular point, i'll research that too - maybe i can even grasp it... hope you get your whole installation back as it was very soon ^^

  • NorthOf45NorthOf45 Posts: 5,707

    Just had the 1809 update go through. No problems whatsoever, took about 30 minutes, while I had lunch.

  • ebergerlyebergerly Posts: 3,255
    NorthOf45 said:

    Just had the 1809 update go through. No problems whatsoever, took about 30 minutes, while I had lunch.

    You mean the sky didn't fall, and worlds didn't collide? laugh

    That's the same experience I had with my 3 computers. No problems whatsoever. 

    On the other hand, this weekend I decided to update my Linux Mint since I hadn't done it in a long while. It gave me a list of a few hundred things that needed updating and I told it to go ahead. And it spit out thousands of lines of indecipherable gunk in my terminal window, with a bunch of error messages in-between a bunch of success messages mixed in with a bunch of commands. And it asked a couple of questions I didn't understand, so I just said "yes". And after a while it stopped. And I looked at the update list window and it showed a bunch more that apparently needed updating. So I told it to go ahead again. Same thing happened. Then a third time. But it never got to the point of installing the new version of Mint, just updates of the existing version. I think. 

    At this point I have absolutely no clue what happened or what was successful, if anything. I don't think I'll try to install the new version of Mint, especially since there are so many people complaining about it on the Linux Mint forum.

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