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Did Rendo ever fix the problem? I've lost two debit cards, a credit card, and a PayPal account to that site and won't use any "real" account to buy from them ever again. Unfortunately, there are a few vendors that make products for whom loyalty trumps a slight price bump, forcing me to go out and by a Visa Debit Gift Card whenever they release something new (then use the rest to buy a Daz gift card). If they'd fix their security problems, I'd probably buy more frequently from them. As is, at least Daz has never resulted in me losing a credit card. Maxing one out, sure, but not losing it. :)
as a Carrara user I have been horrified by what has been removed, yes I had quite a large amount of it but there were always things I left for another day as not loaded woth limitless cash but now gone forever, also a few newer or poorer Carrara users missed out entirely on some things I consider essential.
Just want to correct a misconception I've seen mentioned a couple of times in this thread: Renderosity do NOT retire their products anymore, unless the vendor specifically ask for it. In fact, they now will re-enable any retired product, if the vendor asks for it. It's a fairly new policy tho, so no wonder some people are still unaware.
I had one of the products that I have SASE Elize for Belle 6 while still in my product library and downloadable.. It has vanished completely from the store, and well to this day not sure why..
They were removed yesterday.
Yea, as long as they still sell Carrara that is a bad idea. And the number of Carrara products is so limited anyway that it can't be a "store room" problem.
They claim to have improved security a lot since these events (I lost two debit cards also), and no one seems to have had any problems in that respect during the last couple of years. Still, I prefer to use only PayPal there, just in case. And yes DAZ seems to be very secure when it comes to credit cards, I've used several cards here during the last 10 years, my main card for 8 years I think, and never had any of these compromised.
whoa, you updated it?? I had no idea. I'll have to go check the updates in connect to see. What other updates of your products are you sneaking by me, maclean??
Everyday Toiletries
Everyday Groceries
Streets
All the above have had the geometry completely rebuilt, improved textures, presets, etc and each set now has a full Iray version.
.Streets as well? I had no idea. It was something I'd use quite often during 3DL days. I can see it getting a new lease of life here now :) Thanks!
Speaking for myself, and I'm sure there's many more people like me
I look through the store occasionally, sometimes search for a specific item if it's needed right away, look up a product when someone mentions it here on the forums, ect. I see a promo that catches my eye - I read the description and push the item to my wishlist, most of the time not even knowing who made the product.
Then when I have the funds, I start going through my wishlist, first looking for items that I either need now or will need very shortly. Then fill in the rest of the budget with "I could use this pretty soonish"
So, I have no idea when the last time some vendor I may or may-not have any of their items in my wishlist, last produced a product. Heck, the only indication of the age of a product I am buying or wanting to buy I have is usually by what generation it's for.
I'm not going to spend hours each day going through every single vendor in the shop and figuring out when all their stuff was released and when they last released an item. I just want to go through my wishlist and grab what I can afford when I can.
I have a ton of ideas for different things, a comic book I'm trying to get going which will be an on-going series with many different places and things I want to eventually do in the series. Different sprite ideas for android apps I want to make. So stuff going in my wishlist is all needed and will be used. A heads up that an item is going to dissapear is not only curtious but also shows that the merchant actually cares about their customers and fans.
And as I said before, the item doesn't have to have some huge sale or discount. If I know it's going, I will gladly pay full price without hesitation to get it before it does, I will adjust my budget to make sure that I do. But I definately don't have the funds to purchase every item in the store that may or may not be dissapearing at a moments notice, that would pretty much be everything pre-G2 (and maybe even G2 so I better add that to the list).
If you want a hint of what is vulnerable sort your wishlist by Most Popular or Trending Now and look at the end - those items are more likely to be at risk, though that isn't a certainty.
Face it, nothing here is going to cause your world to crash if you don't buy it, and if an item sits on your wishlist long enough to be pulled from the store it really shouldn't cause you any grief. I buy whatever I think I really need on the introductory pricing when it first comes out, and yes there are times where I can't afford it then but once it passes the "new item full price stage" which takes around three months it is shortly back on sale again and I pick it up then. If it sits on my wish list for a full year the chances are I really didn't need it, it just caught my fancy.
As far as credit cards, I like to have those numbers in as few places as possible online, I put up with Pay Pal because of that, and usually buy Gift Certificates on here and on Rendo to have as few transactions as possible. It makes it easier to budget and keep track of things also.
Just made a sale. This product looks wonderful and I'm glad your supporting both 3DL and iRAY! Good move updating this!
If people still want old products they should check out the latest BYOB from the PC+ sale. The 10th pack has around 500 items, a lot of which is for V3, M3, V2 & M2. At 37 cents per item (if you buy 8) there is never a better time to stock up on the old stuff (although I should add there is no suggestion this stuff will be retired any time soon).
I was just looking at Alibama's store yesterday. Can someone remind me of the items in their store, so I can make a list? I purchased 3 or 4 items, I think, from them.
Chinese Study Room was the one on my wishlist, that's the only one I can help with. :)
I own all of those! Thanks for adding value, @maclean!
Thanks, Ati, I'll go through my Product Library.
Why can't DAZ at least wait until after March Madness is over, like they traditionally did in the past? Or at minimum, until the PA anniversary is over? It's pretty sleazy to remove old products like crazy in the middle of an annual sale for backlog items. This is one of the few times a year that many of us can afford to purchase more than a few items. Most of the vendor removals have been during the PA and PC sales, which is a very low-handed thing to do. And don't say "well, it was on sale ___th day, so you should have bought it then" 1. Most BYOB bundles don't have enough items that I want to be able to purchase more than 8 items. 2. Not all of the stuff I want is a PC item. 3. Some of the "choose 5" categories have too few items (that I haven't bought) to be worth buying anything for.
4. And I repeat, plenty of the things that I want are not PC items to begin with. And inactive vendor shops are not eligible for the PC+ vendor discounts, as my understanding is that a vendor only shows up in one of those categories for a few days if they just released a new product.
You are incredibly lucky, then. Those of us who are not rich or do not run a digital business of some sort can only afford to spend 50 to 100 dollars per month, (200 on a lucky month) if even that, so we cannot afford to buy anything fresh off the shelf.
I have only bought one non-PC "fresh off the shelf" item in my entire shopping history, and that was solely out of obligation and thanks because it was something that I made a product request for-- and it was a pose set, thus it was not incredibly expensive to begin with.
Daz actually has a rule that add-ons to retired products are to be pulled from the store.
In general, this rule seems to be a bit more relaxed when it comes to poses. I am not opposed to keeping add-ons on the market so long as there is a big red disclaimer that it is for a retired product.
I wasn't under the impression that all Daz originals are commissioned, and I always assumed that Daz only commissioned millenial figures/creatures and flagship character add-ons. (basically, the figures where we never know who the creators were unless someone on the forums reveals it.) while most are just products that the PAs willingly surrendered proprietary rights over to.
Also, jjust a reminder, that the names I dropped of inactive and likely-to-be-kicked-off users is very incomplete. I might post an updated list later on, but it will be awhile because I have to check every name against the vendor list from 2014, and then check the old ones manually. (okay, here is a more concise description of what I do: I have two tabs open. One of the vendor list page, and one of the same page in the wayback machine from 2014. I skip anyone not listed in 2014, then go back to the current vendor list and open that vendor's store in a third tab, to check and see if they have made anything since the Genesis 2 era.)
Please don't spend tiem geenrating a list when you don't know the exact criteria and are therefore likely to add people who don't belong and omit people who do.
Also please bear in mind that theer may be more than one reason for products or a store to be removed from Daz, even allowing for the fact that we don't know thee xact reason(s) for the "typical" removals.
Not all product/store removals are up to Daz.
All shops go on sale during the PA sale (which was right before the PC+ sale) and March Madness usually.
Any product that is a Daz O can be either commissioned (Daz sent an artist a "Hey, we want you to make this and will pay you this much for it") or a buyout (an artist makes something and says, "Hey Daz, do you want to buy this from me for this much?"). It isn't always one way or the other for different content. I seem to recall there's a Daz O set where they commissioned glassware and place settings from one artist, tables and chairs from another, and a building from another (and then an outfit and character to fit the scene from another with textures for it from yet another).
When Daz orders a commission, it can have the PA's name or not on the release. They can also hold it for a long time before it's released, repackage/bundle it, etc. So just because you haven't seen someone's name in a while doesn't mean they don't have products that have gone into the store. Sometimes it does, but sometimes it doesn't.
I suppose it can't hurt to buy everything you want from those vendors right away. That way whether the stores do go away in the next year or the next century, you won't have missed out.
The Daz should say prop item culled unavailabkle to new users this product is for those who bought this 5 years ago..
Edit In less than two years I have spent 18,000 dollars here supporting artists and suspect my thoughts matter. A year ago I decided to leave but DAZ gave me a free PC membership and of course I conmtinued to shop. This time a free membership will not work. It's this type of product promotion that sends me straight to consumer affairs.
Wow, I'd I'd love to make a thoughtful and constructive comment here but I'm too exhausted and given the shape the conversation is taking, I won't get a chance later.
Oh well, never mind. Off to buy more old 3rd gen rubbish while I can.
Woah! Thanks for the updates and the lists!
I download everything manually so didn't know about these.
Yes, I suddenly realised that not everyone knew about the updates. There's only a notification if you use DIM. I do post a note in the ongoing Updated Products thread every time I update something, but many people won't see that either. All I can say is keep an eye out. Whenever I have time, I try to pick out an older product and do a rebuild to keep it current.
Thank you for that :) While I may not have everything you've made, I really do appreciate the effort you make to keep your products current!
For those interested, Alibama just released a new product on the other site.
I am desperately seeking a location to purchase Chip! and his wardrobe. I searched HiveWire with no success. I've seen 2 places online but they look a little skeevy to me. Does anyone know how to contact Redspark to determine where to get a copy of Chip! ?
The Daz should say prop item culled unavailabkle to new users this product is for those who bought this 5 years ago..
DAZ seems to care about users buying products that are unusable within the Daz environment but I sure hope a cello is made so the product can be reinstated.