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Cookie and Chip had a big wedding on rdna years ago. It was made to be a big deal, lots of pre-wedding hype about it, special clothes, etc. Now it appears Cookie is a widow, or at least her hubby is MIA. Now she will prolly have to donate his clothes to Goodwill or a shelter.
I got hit by the Black Swirly Boxes, too:
#1 - Unknown, but SKU/Product ID is 1453
#2 - Gorilla for Genesis
#3 - Baby for Genesis (Not surprising, since that was Adam Thiwates' only product on this site)
#4 - Melody Man Electric Guitars (confirmed Simon3D's store was pulled)
SKU 1453 was "Darkworld Wings Collection" - not sure who by or what exactly that was!
I was doing a list for my next Not So Fast! contest and when people were clicking on the links I had just made two days previously to see if they owned the products, the Ultimate Wasp Collection AND the fly collection were 404's, and so was a Dystopian product (I think it was Corner A.) My list was just the "A" vendors (so Ajax/Noggins on the insects) so who knows how many stores were pulled! I'll have to go check my wishlist and see if I can determine if I have swirlies or any info, my wishlist is huge because I never culled it.
And I wondered why my wishlist was so short all of a sudden. Well, now It's money I'll keep ... or take elswhere ...
I have Oceana and the addon Marinda's way for Oceana. Had forgotten. Got them when testing at rdna several yr ago. Wish I had the Spooky Gels for DS though.
Edited to say, another one I wanted was the Neon Glow Light Gels. I got a cached google page and it was apparently taken out on Sept 2nd. So not that long ago according to the cached snapshot of the page.
Wow! I just used Gorilla for Genesis in a render a few days ago. And isn't that the only baby we had?
Agreed, *and* the act of promoting vendors that are actively producing would be in their respective (DAZ and PA's) business interest, but whether or not these two buying audiences (new vs old) are actually in competition is highly debatable.
I would also appreciate ($$) a periodic last-chance sort of sale, as I'm pretty much only backfilling my collection with older re-workable stuff these days anyway. Their current silent-culling policy is resulting in more of my resources going to other (non-DAZ) vendors.
BTW, to all of you with active wishlists, you *do* realize that having any company know what you want is giving them market pressure/advantage over you, in terms of pricing, etc. ... right?
cheers,
--ms
As far as babies go, the only baby figures in the Daz Store were that one and Millennium Baby 3 (which is still available).
Kinda sad about the gorilla, though. But IIRC, I think Alessandro_AM is working on a standalone gorilla figure of his own (if his FB is any indication), but darn it, being able to dress it up would've been nice, lmao.
We had Mil baby 3 cuz I still have it installed in an old Poser runtime. And for Genesis, I just have something called 'Basic Child'. but no baby.
Wow, I have Gorilla for Genesis, Mil 3 Gorilla, and Mil Gorilla LE (inactive). Wonder what i thought I'd do with all those??
So here's a photo of our little guy!! Awwwww (not)
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If you were here years ago, do you remember that one holiday, maybe Xmas, we got a pink ballet tutu for the Troll? Hyterical.
I think the one you mean was for Freak 4, and it is actually still available: Pretty in Pink
there is always Luna at that other site I picked up cheap recently
No, there is still the Millenium Baby 3.0. It was the only Genesis compatible baby though. I have the Baby for Genesis and it still shows up in my online Product Library but there is not link to a product page like there used to be. Also, I can still download it too.
Here is the link to the Millenium Baby 3.0
https://www.daz3d.com/millennium-baby-3-0
Actually this is false every time someone brings it up. Culled products are from low to no sales. I doubt any PA is going to miss those $0 sales from items just languishing on those wishlists. And I doubt a PA wants insult to injury over a $.30 sale on a steep "going out of business" sale once a product is split with DAZ3D. So it gets quietly culled, just like it just did... and always does.
What does the customer see from this, though?
"You want to buy this product? Okay, wishlist it, wait for it, wait for it, still not a good enough sale? Okay, wait for it, hahahahahahahaha you missed it, and will never get it! :P"
But if most potential buyers are waiting long enough for Daz to decide the item isn't selling enough to warrant keeping in the store then did they really want the item that much anyway? It's not as if there's a dearth of discounts in general, if it would take an even bigger discount to trip them into purchase then the item must be really low priority..
Speaking for myself, I know that there were a couple of items from "The Management" on sale recently, in fact, they were in fastgrab. I said to myself, it's PA sale now, I'll keep my money for the PA sale for now, I'll get these later. And their store is now removed, so I won't be getting those items later. If I knew that this was the last chance to get them, I would have pulled the trigger on them.
From DAZ's perspective, if these items have not been selling, then offering them at 50% off (just a random number) for a few days, saying this is the last chance to get these, would at least generate SOME revenue from these products before they are removed.
It's not a big issue for me, but I think a final sale would bring in at least some money for both Daz and the vendor.
Again, it goes back to my earlier comment. Do you honestly think a 30 cent "last chance" sale on items that haven't sold for years is worth it or even dignified to a PA? You don't need to answer that because it's been answered for you through the culling. The only suggestion is if you want it, buy it.... especially if the PA hasn't released products in a long time. Most times it's already been discounted before it was culled; waiting until a major sale mày be too late.
I agree with the above quoted.
Not to criticize ,but it rather sounds like **some** may be using the wishlist function for a bit of "off site" digital Hoarding.
Much in the same way Physical product Hoarders often used the old retail "layaway" plans, except that you do not even have to commit to down payment.
I mean honestly ,what actual uses were people planning for content that they are willing to let sit for years in Digital limbo ??
As for the complaints about stuff "dissappearing" with no warning
Well..I have seen people complain in the forums, just as loudly, even when given fair warning as was the case
with the great Sci -Fi content producer Micheal Rak (AKA Sanctumart).
He posted a thread here, that gave clear warning that he was leaving the DAZ/Poser content market and set an actual Date when his products would be gone forever.
Yet he was still harshly criticized for his "betrayal" by angry wishlisters who were now faced with the
reality of having to actually buy all of his products that they apparently thought they could hold in reserve indefinately.
Not to argue with the culling process, it is what it is even if many of us may disagree, but two quick points:
1. products that are culled haven't necessarily earned zero sales. I was part of a joint product that was selling just fine; not a lot, but I probably earned a few hundred from it before I was dropped from the store (I asume either because I was not adding any new products to the store or sales weren't high enough relative to other products). I would have been quite happy to have that continue to provide income as long as it could, or barring that, have a last-chance sale to provide more than the $0 it earns from not being there an of course to help those that would otherwise loose it.
2. unpurchased products aren't unwanted products. I have 905 items actively marked in my wishlist, and then there's the entire rest of the store. I cannot afford to buy them all. Thus, some get purchased and most of them sit there until I feel the funds can be devoted to them, or if I absolutely cannot survive without them (medic!), or until the price is justified, or until some amazing deal pops up that I can't resist due to lack of self control, or until a product goes from "this might be useful or looks neat" to "I can use that right now in my current render", until I find out that a product is going to be pulled and this is my last chance, until I suddenly realize a new use or added value to a product that I was previously overlooking, or until something else changes.
3. One partial option would be for the individual vendors to step up and announce a product is going to be removed. This doesn't usually happen, but I do recall Stonemason gave us fair warning in a forum once, so it can happen. This of course won't work for vendors who have left or passed away or aren't available on a regular basis or didn't realize it was going to happen or simply don't wish to do so. We would also have to find a way to convince those vendors who would be willing to do this to actually do this, not sure how to do that.
That is unfortunate, I could see why a vendor might not want to do this process then. That also brings up another point, unless you are constantly hanging out in the forums and reading through all the threads, consumers could easily still miss this announcement simply because it is buried in the forum where they did not see it (although the same could be true of an announced closing sale.) A thread devoted to closeouts might assist slightly as it could be subscribed to. Warning provided by anybody to any customer might also allow crowdsourced customers adding to this thread, thus notifying all the rest to reduce this chance.
Where is this 30 cent coming from? The items I mentioned cost between $24 and $35, a 50% sale on them, plus the 50-50 Daz-PA split would give the PA $6 to $9 per product. If they sell only 10 products at a last-opportunity-sale, that would make them almost $100. But I seriously doubt that they would only sell 10 if everyone knew that this was the last chance to get these.
While I would not argue with that in general, the timing now is really bad. As I said, these particular items were indeed on sale in fastgrab, and I almost pulled the trigger on them. The only reason I didn't is the PA sale that is going on right now. I thought I'd concentrate on the current big sale. I assume that when Daz has a sale, we should concentrate on that sale, and not random other items.
I put stuff I like on my wishlist. I usually don't even look at who the PA is, so I'm really not following who is releasing new products and who isn't. And this is coming from someone who knows exactly when a certain item went on sale, and for how many minutes it was on sale. Now imagine someone who's not into the daily life of Daz this much.
You mean waiting for a major sale, such as... the PA festival? ;)
Heck, the PA festival could even end with a "last chance to get these" sale, and everyone would know about it, get some money ready for it, whatnot.
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If I didn't get these items before, I'm pretty sure I'll be able to live without them. :D But it is a missed sale for both the PAs and Daz--and I really don't know what that 30 cent you mentioned is.
We've been told over and over again that the number of people on the forums is very small compared to the overall number of Daz users. And even when someone comes to the forums, I'm pretty sure most won't read every single topic.
So posting a topic on the forums is NOT the same as having an official end date announced for the products.
Is there any way for the average end user to predict, on a large scale, the products or vendors about to culled? I assume not, but maybe there are advance clues that always pop up that I'm not aware of.
Understand that your very post is example why items are quietly culled. One of my products was culled as well, last time I saw it sold I made 20 cents from the sale. At no time is anyone going to convince me that announcing a last chance sale to make not even "cup of coffee" money is a reasonable use of store resources. As I suggested, the onus is on the customer with hundreds of wishlisted items to regularly go through to see which items they want to purchase and what they really don't want.
most the stuff I have seen pulled was not by choice of the PA
and some have said they lost actual pocket money they used for their own DAZ shopping as a result
I'm not sure I believe that argument. A PA is supposed to produce and build a library to make sales. If items are culled, they did not sell... but that's not due to culling, not enough people bought the item.
Giving customers a last chance to buy products that they have directly shown interest in, I honestly believe is a reasonable use of store resources.
It's not just about Daz making money (I'm still not sure what that 30 cent meant), or the PA making money. But about satisfying customers' needs. Needs that were created by the store in the first place.
Let's say some offers you a car. A very nice car, with lots of features, and at a reasonable price. You were not thinking about getting a car now, but this is pretty good, and the price is about right, too. You did not have this in your budget for this month, but even cars that cost way more know way less, so you convince yourself that you want this car. You get the money for it, sell your old car, whatever. Call the dealership to see if the deal is still on. Yes, in fact, it's now 10% cheaper than usual! You're even happier than before, so you get in a taxi, go to the dealership, see the car in the window, are pretty happy. You enter the dealership--only to find out that that model of the car is no longer available. It was available a minute ago, but hey, you just missed it. But don't worry, the dealership wouldn't have made much money on it anyway. And if you really wanted the car, you would have come two minutes earlier, so it's pretty clear that you didn't even want it.