A "Time Zoned" shop.
Imago
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Yesterday night I gave a look to the store and saw some nice "flash discount" on some products I have in my wishlist... but sadly in those hours I had no access to my PC to make the purchase. It was about midnight when I saw those offers. The next morning I checked the store and obviously the bargains were over...
Isn't possible to have a shop that recognizes the time zone and gives us the offers when we are awake/have the chance to refill bank account/ask our moms for some pocket money to make the purchase?
Something like "o hai, we have a flash deals from 2PM to 6PM" and everyone in the world from 2PM to 6PM in our own countries can see the stuff?
I'm not asking for a translated version for each country and state like Amazon, just a little smarter shop!
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How exactly would they keep people from altering their computer's clock?
Obviously the site will be based on the web clock exactly like all the others... It's a website not a '90 shareware.
There are many methods to guess where the user is, one of them could work properly.
Imagine two people being online at the same time, one having a sale, the other not. Just because they're in different time zones. Oh my, that would be a complete publicity disaster.
Imagine two people, one who can take the offers because it's awake and the other who's losing all the offers because he needs to sleep.
Most of the flash sales happens when in my country it's about 2AM. I lost an incredibly amount of deals because they happens during night time. And some of them seems to not happen again, for some reason.
It's really that bad give everyone the chance to at least see the offers?
If a timezone-based sale would be implemented, what would be a good time? 5 in the evening? Why? Some people still work then. Or are on their way home. Or that's when they start work. Or are sleeping because they will have a night shift starting soon. You simply cannot find a 2-to-4-hour window that would be good for everyone.
I honestly think that the solution to this would not be to divide the customers even more but to offer these sales for a longer period of time, so everyone can be awake at some part of the sale. Even that would exclude some customers because that's when they work 24h, or that's their only day off the entire week and went away, etc.
VPN could circumvent that, unless you'd want to go by account details.
A solution is to hold Flash Sales twice a day with 12 hour interval.
It's a website not a '90 shareware.
I have no idea what this means, but I thought it was funny.
Daz would probably go by (buy) where most of their customer base is and use that timestamp. Or keep it simpler and use their own time.
Sales are good in the afternoon, maybe you check your email at lunch and take a late break and scan your messages...etc....
Every sale hohas two purposes (I believe) create a habit and offer some sales incentives. The best habit possible is to check in often. Read those emails or ATI notices....
Daz-shopping then becomes a habit and something you do more often....also helps towards making casual customers collectors.
Wait, why am I saying all of this? Ignore all that.
The truth is, if it was on your wish List it probably wasn't a super priority to own.
And if you're getting by without it, you can hang on till the next sale, which is ALWAYS around the corner.
I too wish there was a Daz-Magic that means I Never missede ANYTHING, but the best is the ATI-provided alert when the price drops below your insta-buy point.
So your truly dream products don't get passed over when they come up on sale.
A solution is to hold Flash Sales twice a day with 12 hour interval.
Oh, but then I'd need to know if it was the First Flash Sale or the second and that removes the impulse if it's going to come back again real soon...
And then that flash sale impacts the Daz-midnight sale turnover...
And seeing how complicated the sales engine is...I mean EVERYDAY there's a new sales scheme...to manage that.....
I wouldn't add any more complexity to what they already have going.
The sales seem to have stabilized and I suggest we leave Daz alone and get those ATI notices going.
You don't understand. I meant to hold the same Flash Sales twice.
The problem is that Flash Sales runs in "day time" only for americans. When it's morning in America, it's evening in Europe. In my place Flash Sales starts at 8pm and goes at late evening and night.
So, you don't need to know is that first or second Sales. Only you should know is it convinient time for you to make purchases or not.
And sorry for my English. I need to edit posts sometime because of this.
I'm in Europe, and I quite like the fact that these fast-paced sales are in the evening, so I can concentrate on all the other things (work, family) during the day. This is why I mentioned that even within the same time zone, certain times will be good for certain people, and not others.
Ahhhh- that makes sense.
But them I come to forum and see everyone referencing a FLASH SALE that I don't know about and don't have access to (until later)
Or indeed, I still miss the one that was during my 'optimal' timezone and now I need to take advantage of London's Flash Sale.
And that's only two countries....what about all the others?
-- I think like what was already said. There is no perfect fit and there is no retailer that makes so you get every coupon or discount.
That's how it is for physical stores- some offers- you have to BE THERE to take advantage. And some honor coupons and give rain checks and such...
But the flash sale is for those who check the site (frequently) or the forum.
Other than that you'd get the store's app (to stay more up to date than the circular) which, in Daz-terms, is the ATI add-on.
So you're basically saying "Make the sales at the best time for me" which I get. But there's a lot of different "Me"s with different timing needs.
And if you go FLASH SALES WILL ALWAYS BE AT 2PM for EVERY TIMEZONE - that's not a flash sale.
So maybe you just mean eliminate the Flash Sale idea since not everyone can take advantage - with the same level of ease - so it's unfair and benefits "American time zones" the most.
Yes, this is unfair. And that's why I suggest to hold Flash Sales twice: ones at daytime of America, and second (since 12 hours) will be convinient time for other part of the World. That is a simple solution I think.
@Imago "Yesterday night I gave a look to the store and saw some nice "flash discount" on some products I have in my wishlist... but sadly in those hours I had no access to my PC to make the purchase"
So how were you able to see the sale? You don't need to be at your computer to buy products.
I think he missed it because he wasn't at a computer. He got the notice late.
There were a couple of flash sales recently (one of those one-after-another changing every 2hrs events) that started the final sale of the day annoyingly late (after midnight) for customers in Europe, which has a larger population than North America.
Probably the only way to give everybody an equal chance of getting in on the action would be to make all the flash sales last 24hrs, but somehow that seems less fun than having to grab a bargain quickly.
I used my android phone to access the store for a moment before go to sleep.
My Paypal password (which is REALLY complex) isn't stored in it so in the case I lose my phone somewhere nobody can drain my account. I know there are a lot of customer protection things from PayPal, but I prefer to not store important things on mobile devices.
However, it was just a case I was still awake at that hour, usually at midnight I'm sleeping. And I can't stay awake waiting for the flash sales or other quick promotion.
Simply the hours of those promotions are really unpratical.
It doesn't help with the timing, but you can get a giftcard (even save some money on that if you buy it during a sale!), and you can then use your phone to check out even at midnight without having to log in to PayPal.
Great point Ati.
I miss sales all the time, usually due to work (my company doesn't allow us to shop while working, go figure) and it doesn't bother me. If it did I would find a way to take advantage of it.
+1 for repeating flash sales again after 12 hours. Different people have different reasons for missing the flash sale the first time it occurs. 12 hours is a resonable time gap to compensate for night time across all major timezones. Besides, I do not see any harm in running the flash promo twice a day.
There are various reasons that one is not able to react timely to the sales alerts. For example, my phone is configured to be in DND mode between 9pm and 6am unless its a call/sms from one of my contacts.
Notifications that require me to disclose my wishlisted items to any 3rd party are a big NO for me. Besides, we already have flash sale alerts thread. And if one is not being alerted by auto notification from that thread it is safe to assume that they would not be alerted from notifications from other sources as well. Having a re-run of the flash sale would mean that one can still get a second chance at it within the next 12 hours. This also works for folks who have missed the flash sale during their daytime.
IMO, the only folks who would be losing from this are the affiliates who get paid when someone follows their notification links. Having flash sales twice a day may reduce the need for people subscribing to such 3rd party notifications.
I don't know what y'all are fussing about. The solution is totally obvious. You install an "App" that connects (wired or wireless) to a shock box in your pocket or strapped to your neck and when a flash sale appears you get a 50,000 volt shock to remind you to check DAZ. It should work equally well, night or day.
well if the point of a flash sale is to make a profit, expanding the flash sale to reach the whole customer base should be double the joy.
"all your base belong to us"
You said right, it doesn't help with time... The problem for me is that when the most of the sales are going on, I'm sleeping because it's 2AM. And not only me as I can see...
Not everyone lives in Salt Lake City!
Great idea if one is a freelancer "in-between" contracts. Not a good idea if one wants to be productive in a regular 9-5 job the next morning.
In fact, some global stores like Steam have already done away with the concept of hourly flash sales. Earlier they used to have occasional flash sales that rotated every 4 hours or so. These days almost all their sales run for atleast 24 hours. Even at Renderosity its extremely rare to see sales that last less than 12 hours. If Daz want to give their PAs a global reach then they must cater to the convenience of global customers and not alienate themselves by serving customers to a specific timezone,
I don't particularly trust phones; I certainly don't trust if for anthing cash related. That is my choice. Just like it is yours, but if it hadn't been, you could have taken advantage of the sale.
The sales we miss, there are always things Daz could do to make it easier for us, but wouldn't that also inconvenience someone else.
Personally, if I miss a sale - cool I saved more money than spending it ever does. :) Another will be around the corner, and likely at a lower price.
One thing I have learned is that there is a sale almost every day, and I am famous for telling myself, "This is the last purchase for a while!". Yet, bring on the next sale and I simply rinse and repeat. Fortunately, I have been busy lately and have missed many sales, but I don't worry about it since I know that they will have more great sales and if I missed something it will come around again.
Of course there will be another sale. It will be for 40-50% off for days that few care about or deep discounted again at the same awkward hour that one missed in the first place.
Daz should just use Greenwich Mean Time, for example, so everyone knows the exact time around the world that things in the shop will change. I was about to place a major order a few months ago when the shop updated for the night a bit earlier than it usually does for me in the PST zone. Every sale item went away, rightback to full price. Needless to say, I was upset and Daz lost a sale. Just use GMT or something similar and then hold to it. It will make things much easier.