Victorian Lords and Ladies Bundle . . .
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Looks good, but don't buy the bundle. If you buy the three products it contains separately, not only does it work out cheaper but you get the Daz horse thrown in for free!
It's only worth buying the bundle if you buy two more things - the extra textures, for example - to trigger the additional discount.
The collar and chest area on the male outfit looks all wrong to me, which is a shame because I've wanted an outfit like that for the men in some of my historical renders for what seems like forever. Maybe a user render will persuade me to buy it, but if the promos represent the outfit at it's best then I'm probably hanging on to my money.
i don't think it's wrong, if you go by These 1870s drawing. http://mistress-of-disguise.blogspot.com/2017/12/a-brief-look-at-mens-fashion-in-1870s.html
Can anyone show the men's jacket look like with d-force and a closer look at the shirt's collar and cravaet? Why is the lapels so small on the coat? I was jumping with joy that we finally get up an updated version of M4's DOA outfit but.... it looks like an M4 outfit, not M8.
Right, this style (as well as the ladies' outfits and the hair) appeared first in the 1870s, not in the 1850s. The product description is not correct. But the outfits are really attractive!
Those illustrations aren’t really anything like this. The collar appears a bit too flat and very wide. I’m hoping I can use a different shirt underneath. Which is less flat. If Ite meant to be a neck cloth it also is quite flat.
I still bought it. I can use that. Coat and the rest look fine.
It's labelled as "mid-victorian", and Wikipedia puts that "middle" from 1868 to 1878...
I would have jumped on this in a second, but the man's coat looks like it doesn't fit. Like if it were buttoned, it wouldn't even meet in the middle *sigh*. I'm so bummed. Plus it looks more Edwardian than Victorian to me, which isn't really a big deal, but I wouldn't expect a bowler hat to be Victorian. A top hat, yes. Not a bowler.
Laurie
Coat with very narrow lapels is an actual style from the 1870s-1880s.
After a bit of searching it looks like the dinky shirt collars and tied but unknotted tie are legit variant styles from the period. They don't especially float my boat but bundle+texture addons comes to ~$40 which seems pretty reasonable for what you're getting, especially if the freebie starter bundle is something you want.
Got so many more questions like are there any bones for more dynamic movements on the coats in both the male and female outfits and is there a corset shaping morph on the lady outfit for more accurate period look.
Bowler hats were invented around 1850 in London and were popular the bottom half of that century. Top hats were a lord's hat. A bowler was what the working class wore.
Maybe :). But I associate a bowler more with Jack the Ripper than I do, say, the American Civil war ;).
Jack the Ripper was a Victorian era serial killer in London.
Oh well...Victorian lasted longer than I thought. ;)
At any rate, I wish I liked the man's outfit better than I do, but I'm sure it's gonna get a lot of use ;)
Laurie
As various of you have discovered - yes the coat, vest and shirt styles are variations common from about 1850 to as late as 1900. Since styles varied widely according to class, region and occupation I tried to acheive a middle ground that had space to be morphed into at least some of the more extreme variations either way. Some choices were made for technical reason, and to to make the garments easier to move and reshape as needed.
The Hat - I originally had tophats on both outfits. However, DAZ requested a second hat style to add variety. Thankfully, with both hats being props it is very easy to swap her hat over and turn off the ribbon. It also makes adjsuting them for hair much simpler.
The Cravat - after spending most of a day attempting to tie a proper carvat in Marvelous Designer I retired in tears to my pint of New York Super Chunk Ice Cream and determined that you my lovely customers would have to be content with a simpler ribbon cravat. My apologies, but I do value what is left of my sanity.
The Coat - yes, it will fit when buttoned shut, since I originally modeled it that way and then un buttoned it to get a natural fall of the fabric. No I cannot make a morph of that via MD, for technical reasons, but I'm sure some clever person should be able to morph it shut if you so desire. The coat is rigged using Sickleyields very useful clothing templates, so it has ten custom bones to aid in posing the skirt area. It does not currently have Dforce on it (unless DAZ added it after I sent it in) but it does convert very nicely - I checked.
The Buttons - the only items on this set without buttons are the hats, the watch and the cravat. When applying deforce do be aware of the buttons, including the one at the back waist of the trousers.
Female Shape - alas, there is no corsetting shape included. However, I have chcked it with my own corset shapes (not released) and with various existing morphs and it follows quite nicely.
Ladies Skirt - the skirt has additional bones, again thanks to SickleYield, but also movement morphs, so it ought to cover most circumstances.
Ladies Jacket - The jacket followed the thighs quite nicely, so it has only movement morphs and no additional bones as they were not needed.
As these sets are now the property of DAZ, please contact DAZ for any any issues or changes needed.
Lyrra Madril
PS I am out on errands all day, so I will probably not respond to any comments directed at me until tomorrow.
Kudos for doing so much research and spending so much energy getting accurate details in these outfits! I was on the fence because it's not a period I generally render, but then I thought about the fact I don't generally render in that period because I don't have appropriate outfits.
Also my mind is racing about ways to adopt the outfits to steampunk and weird scifi (Firefly, anyone?), so... yoink!
Bundle + 2 texture addons nicely unlocks stuff.
you have to remember that the Victorian era didn't start until Victorian came to the throne in 1837 and ended in 1901. In round number it means early Victorian 1840s and1850s Mid Victorian 1860s and 1870s and late Victorian 1880 and 1890s. The UK fashion style was a year or 2 behind the Paris fashions and the US style was about 10 years behind, which was why Southern Belles were still wearing full crinolined dresses up to and during the ACW. However throughout the Victorian era fashionable female dresses were full skirted, worn over corsets and floor length. It was during the later Edwardian era that fashionable dresses gained a more natural silhouette. Rural and working class clothing tended to have simpler styles
I'm really, really torn. I still mostly use G3 (Haven't been able to buy more than the base morphs for G8) and I don't have any immediate use for Victorian era clothing (which, as has been pointed out, is more accurate than people think. Victoria reigned from 1837 to 1901, so there is a lot of variety in "victorian fashion"). And it will pretty much finish my budget for the rest of the month, meaning that if anything else comes out this month that I want to support, I'm out.
But on the other hand, this is a frekin' awesome set that I completely adore and want to support and see more of... and I actually can get it now....
I thought the cloth cap was more typical working class wear (or did that come later?), whilst the bowler was more for the non-manual middle/lower middle class, like bank clerks etc.
Bowlers served a purpose. They were to protect the heads of working class men by deflecting things falling on them. The hat is authentic.
It is $28 for me. I could lower more using June's PC+ coupon, but the freebie in the cart will eat some of that.
Lyrra: your experiences with the knotted cravat sound horrifying. Shall endeavor to be content with the ribbon cravat :) Thank you for making these.
Thank you, Lyrra. Even though I would prefer a more flamoyant lapels for the coat, I am in desperate need for a coat like this. I'm definitely look forward to a corset morph pack for the ladies.
I'd say late Victorian myself, but then store descriptions of the products have always been off in cloud-cuckooland.
Actually that trumpet skirt doesn't seem to have turned up much before the '90s. The whole ladies' outfit looks very Nellie Bly to me. Intrepid female reporter off to get a story. (I'm sure she was Lois Lane's personal heroine.)
Huge thanks to all those involved for including 3Delight presets on all the products involved! I would have paid full retail for all of these items without hesitation, but the discounts and free bundle are a nice bonus.
And now we need a Victorian Bobby, please....... I searched for one for hours but the helmelt I cannot find for an normal price and something similar like this Victorian outfits just for police would be really great....
Anyone interested in having some bustle moprhs for the Mid Victorian Outfit for Genesis 8 Female? I have the morphs done for the skirt but still have to do them for the jacket so should have them ready by Saturday evening.
That might be useful. Make it possible to use it for the '80s instead of just the '90s.