[Solved] Genesis 8 Female takes 6-7 minutes to load. Help?
3Diva
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For some reason, any Genesis 8 Female character now takes at least 6 minutes to load. Any other figure takes just a few seconds. I don't know what's going on but it's extremely frustrating as I work with mainly Genesis 8 Female and having it take anywhere from 6 to 7 minutes every time I load a new G8F character is driving me batty. I've tried uninstalling Genesis 8 Female Starter Essentials and reinstalling. It didn't help.
I don't know what I've done differently other than I've recently updated the Starter Essentials (all of the Genesis figures had an update in my DIM and I updated them all). That's the only thing I can think of that I've done recently that might be causing it. I have no idea what the issue is nor how to fix it.
Do you guys have any ideas?
I'm also getting a "Duplicate Formulas Found" error message when I load G8F characters now as well. Though I checked the Parameters tab twice and couldn't find any hidden morphs dialled in (which I think was what the issue was when I had the "Duplicate Formulas Found" error message on G3F).
The file log lists a ton of Duplicate Formula error messages all starting with "Duplicate formula found linking.." and when scrolling past a huge list of those Duplicate Formula error messages at the bottom it also says "WARNING: libpng warning: iCCP: known incorrect sRGB profile".
Do you guys have any idea how I can fix this? This is seriously slowing down my workflow and starting to drive me nutty as I usually work in Daz Studio several hours a day and frequently load G8F characters.
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Are others taking the same?
I'd check out the logs Help > Troubleshooting > View Log File.
Before you load a figure. open the log Ctrl A to select all contents; hit Delete, then save the txt file. That way you only have text from loading the G8F.
Look for duplicate (which you should be alerted about), but warnings and errors might point you in the right direction.
I get warnings quite a lot, but they don't have a significant effect. I haven't any atm, but I seem to remember getting 'ERRORS'; these did slow down things.
Edit:
In the text file you can Ctrl F to do a find, then type in Warning, Error, and Duplicate; F3 takes you to the next, although my current load (just tested) shows in excess of 20 warnings. Most of them relate to a character I returned, which means I must have saved what I just loaded when I had the character.
Edit2:
Or not: something purchased elsewhere is missing some properties that Studio is looking for.
I haven't seen a update on any of the genesis essentials (haven't looked either to be fair, but therefore also not updated them), and for me it load as fast as it always have, nor do I have the duplicate error message (so far atleast). Sounds like something in the updates might have caused some bugs.
Have you tried to laod any of the other genesis generations? To see if they too take as much time, especially as they too were updated. So you can know if it is only Genesis 8 (both male and female or only female?) that has this problem, or if it is all generations and genders.
Sorry I can't be of more help Diva :(
I did look at the file log, and I do get error messages:
Any ideas what might be the issue? I doubt that the last "known incorrect sRGB profile" is the issue and I'm willing to bet it's the HUGE list of "Duplicate Formulas Found" error messages. I'm not sure what that's all about though. I look in the Parameters tab and there doesn't seem to be any hidden morphs dialed into the characters and all my G8F characters look normal to me. I don't know what's causing the massive list of Duplicate Forumulas Found error messages nor how to fix it. Uninstalling and reinstalling the G8F Starter Essentials didn't help at all.
The update was sitting in my DIM for a few weeks and I just got around to doing it. After I saw the issues I was getting with G8F I did load other Genesis generation figures, as well as G8M, and all of the other figures load in seconds - it's only the G8F characters, even base G8F itself, that take 6-7 minutes to load. :(
Do you have G8F installed in more than one Content library?
Hmmm I'm not sure. I have Daz content in three different hard drives (they keep filling up) and so it's possible that it could be installed in more than one place. I'll have to do some digging. If it is on more than one drive, how do I uninstall it from the multiple places (assuming that's it's in multiple places) and get a clean install into one place? Do I have to manually track down all the Genesis 8 Female files and delete them? (Sorry if that's a silly question, I'm not very tech savvy and know even less about how Daz libraries and Daz content installs work).
One thing you can try is to remove the base libraries of your other drives, except for the one with G8F. If she loads much faster after that, then add the other libraries back one at a time, and see which one causes her to load much slower. It does not tell you which is the trouble item, but it will narrow down the culprits.
How do you "remove the base libraries of other drives"?
Uninstalling might depend on how you installed in the first place. Do you always use DIM, or have you installed any Daz products manually? If you always use DIM, did you change the DIM installation folder as you went along, because one drive filled up and then another filled up? If so, when you do an update, will it go to a different place??? I think that might depend on preferences you've set up in DiM to some extent. You probably need help from customer support or Richard H. But first, figure out if she is installed in multiple places.
Go into your Content Directory Manager in DS and remove some of the included folders. You can add them back later. Take a screenshot before removing them, so you know what to put back later. Removing them doesn't delete them from you hard drive. It just makes DS not see them.
I only install via DIM. I've changed the intallation folder as I've went along because of drives filling up, yes.
Thank you for the advice - I'll look into seeing if I can figure out if G8F is installed in more than one location.
Ohhh Cool! Thank you! :) I'll try that! Hopefully that will help me track down the issue. :)
Ok so I did what @barbult and @Havos suggested and removed two of the three drives from the Content Directory Manager and then loaded G8F and she loaded very quickly. So apparently she is installed on one of the other two drives as well and that is probably what the issue is. So now to track down which drive she's also installed on and figure out how to get all of the G8F files off the other drive - whichever one she's also on. Without making a mess of things. This... seems like it might be tricky as I really don't know how to track down all of her files and what stuff needs to stay and what stuff needs to go. I'm scared, not gonna lie. I don't want to make things worse.
By re-adding the other drives one at a time, and then re-testing G8F load, you should be able to see which one is the offender.
I am not certain that you have G8F installed in two places, and even if you have, it might not be the thing slowing down the load. I remember having a similar issue once, and it turned out one product was trying to locate morphs that did not exist. This meant the Daz Studio spent a long time looking for the missing resources, and that is what caused the slow down of the figure loading.
Check your log for any errors, in particular for the word "missing", or "can not find", or the like. I personally doubt the duplicate ids are the cause of the issue, but it is worth sorting these out in any case.
Ok added two of the three drives back but left out C drive - I closed out Daz Studio and reopened and G8F loads very quickly now. I thought I had removed all of the Daz content from my C drive anyway, so I probably don't need it on the Content Directory Manager list anymore anyway. Maybe that was the issue? Maybe it was looking for content on C drive when I had removed the stuff from there. I manually removed the C drive content but that was a couple months ago and I just now started having this G8F issue. Whatever the problem was, apparently telling Daz Studio to pretend C drive doesn't exist was the solution, at least for now. Genesis 8 Female loads very fast now - so thank you for the awesome advice and help! I really appreciate it!
I can't tell you how nice it is to have G8F load so fast again. AHHHH Awesome! Thank you very much for the help, you guys! I appreciate it VERY MUCH! *big hugs*
I'll take a wild swing and suggest you have a lot of characters/morphs in your content libraries for G8F.
lol Yes, yes I do. I was a fast adopter of G8F and have been working with her a ton, so I do have a lot of content for G8F. I still have more for G3F, but G8F is probably starting to catch up to G3F. lol
The more morphs you have installed for her, the slower she loads. After removing the C drive library from the Content Directory Manager, are you still getting all of your morphs loaded? (Are they there to be dialed in when you load G8F?)
Good thinking! Thank you for the suggestion! :) Based on your suggestion I tested a LOT of my G8F characters - all of them looked fine to me and looked the way they were supposed to. The Daz Original "official 8" figures load in seconds now. Older saved custom characters (dial spun, my own morphs, etc) take a little longer to load but load under a minute. However, the newer custom characters, while they load in under a minute as well, call for missing files - all of them made from the "x-morphs" product. Even if the newer characters were not made with any of those morphs and shouldn't be calling for them, they do.
I tried tracking down the files and they are on the C drive (I guess the x-morphs product puts them there by default?). I copied the file that has the morphs the newer custom characters are calling for (again even though they shouldn't be calling for them) and added a copy of that file to the other drive that has my Daz content hoping that would fix the issue. It did, kind of - they stopped asking for those files but they took WAY longer to load (3-4 minutes to load, as opposed to under a minute).
So I removed that file again and they load fine and under a minute, they still call for those morphs but I can live with that. I don't mind the error messages on the newer custom characters - as long as they load quickly and look right (which they do).
I'm not sure why my newer characters are calling for the x-morph files, they shouldn't be as I didn't use the morphs on them. But right now I'm just glad I got my G8F characters to start loading promptly again. lol
You should probably ask about this strange behavior in the X-Morphs commercial thread. Maybe there is a problem that the PA needs to explain or correct. I wonder if other users are experiencing this kind of slowdown. I don't own it.
That's a good idea. :) I'll probably start with a PM to the creator (I don't want people to think there is an issue with the product when it could very well be my own user error issues lol). Hopefully he/she will have some insight as to what the issue is. Though it could be something I did - I work in Daz Studio quite a few hours out of the day and sometimes misclick things if I'm tired. I've found that it's often easy to fudge things up when saving morphs or presets, etc. I could have been the cause of this mess instead of the product. lol We'll see what the creator says, they might have some thoughts on what might have happened. Hopefully it won't be an issue going forward.
Thank you for all your help, barbult! :) I really do appreciate all the wonderful suggestions and input. I wouldn't have been able to noodle this out without yours and @Havos help. :)
I'm pretty sure that's why my G3F takes forever to load. I have tons of content from over the years when she was released, and I don't have that much for G8F. So little in fact that I have to keep raiding G3F's closet to find things G8F wants to wear. Same with skins and such.
It has been confirmed by Daz that the amount of characters & morphs you have installed do not impact the base figure as they are only loaded in when activated.
Morphs, and other assets, will have an impact. Not so much on memory, the morph deltas (and, perhaps, UV coordinates) aren't read, but the files do need to be parsed to get the names for the sliders/property lists and to establish the ERC links so that DS knows which properties are related to which.
Can't we go back to the good ol'days when morphs were injected/removed on demand rather than loading by default? Even after the figure loads, its really painful scrolling through the morphs list when one intends to use less than 1% of those.
I am just the opposite, I love I don't have to inject what I want anymore. I am used to the morph tree and can find what I need rather fast. I guess if you are only using less than 1% of the morphs (default figure?) then that would be beneficial, but I use a ton of morphs with each character I create
I'm with you. I remember back in V3 days when you had to load the mouth morphs, the eye morphs, the neck morphs, the face morphse, the torso morphs, etc. Sure you could leave out stuff you didn't want but the time to do all that manual loading was rough. I'll take a slower load time over having to search for a morph I want and load it manually.
Oh god, NO.
Diva, did changing drives stop the duplicate issue you had? I am having that issue with gen 8 female also and have never moved any content between drives, and always have installed with DIM.
Yes, I no longer get the Duplicate Formulas Found error messages once I removed my C drive from the Content Directory Manager. I think I had originally installed my G8F content there and then later changed the download path in DIM (because my C drive was full) and it probably installed updates for G8F to the new path. That's the only thing I can think of that might have been causing the Duplicate Formulas Found error - perhaps some of the same files downloaded both in C drive as well as E drive. Once I removed the C drive from my Content Directory Manager I stopped getting the error messages.