How to best pick up 'older' G8 pro bundles?
srinity
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Good morning and happy weekend Daz community!
I am new to the whole Daz scene, so I don't have a 'huge' back-catalouge of stuff to start from. I would like to pick up many of the G8 pro bundles (and potentially a few G3), but don't really want to be paying ~$100ea for them. It seems there are usually sales on the bundles when they come out, and I feel I have gotten some good deals on the recent ones. (Mika and Edie) But so far for the small time I have been getting started, it doesn't seem the 'back-catalouge' of G8 pro bundles ever goes on sale.
What is the best way to get a deal on some of the older G8 pro bundles?
Thanks!
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There are quite often good deals on Daz originals, including bundles - sometimes with the release of a new name 8 set, but the PC+ Anniversary in october is also a fairly frequent opportunity and there may well be others throughout the year.
You just have to be patient and wait for a sale. Once in awhile there are some really good prices for the older content, even more recent older content. Best time is during the fall and winter generally and March when a lot of things go on steeper sales, though so far this year the sales have been kind of "meh" compared to past years. You also might consider joining the Platinum Club since members get coupons every month and 30% off for Daz Originals off right off the top. Believe me when I tell you that the savings are significant. Much more than it costs to become a member ;)
Laurie
I guess I am also asking because as I read more forums I see all sorts of references across the forums to 'orange banners' (exclusive offers), and getting additional 20% off coupons for pro bundles if you have already purchased several pro bundles.
(Kind of makes me feel on the 'out' that I have not received any of these, despite buying several hundred dollars in content since joining. As a general rule, this type of price opacity really turns me off.)
Does anyone have insights into how to get into the 'cool kid's club' with the discounts?
Define "Best." If by that you mean "cheap" then, looking at the current patterns, the cheapest way is to wait three years and they'll inevitably show up for free as some part of deal for some other bundle or promotion.
After that... well, it really depends on what you want out of the bundle. It's important to note that once you take out the figure itself, most of the items in the bundles can actually be bought for cl;ose to the bundle price within two to three months, as almost all individually sold DAZ originals get regularly knocked down to at least 65% off for PC+ members once they've passed two months, but there seems to be a longer delay for bundles to hit that level of discounting. The real "value" of a Pro Bundle is that you get the figure for around $10 (not counting additional discounts), but if you don't end up using most of the contents of a bundle, then it's a fake savings. And a LOT of the stuff in the bundles is filler that most people will never use.
My general policy is to break down any bundle I'm considering into three groups of products: "items I really want", "items I wouldn't mind having", "Items I'd take if they were free," then do a quick projection of what those items would cost individually at 65% off. If the items in a bundle fall predominatly in the first two categories, I'll probably go for the bundle option. If the items fall primarily in the last two categories, on the other hand, I'll pass and wait for the individual items to go cheap. A really good example of the latter case was the recent Ollie bundle, as I actually liked the Ollie figure, but thought that almost everything else that was in his Pro bundle was junk that I'd never use, so I'm waiting to buy Ollie as a stand alone item in the next few months for around $12. On the other hand, I just bought the MIka Pro Bundle even though I found Mika to be only marginally interesting, as most of her PP items looked like stuff I could use fairly regularly.
@srinity "(Kind of makes me feel on the 'out' that I have not received any of these, despite buying several hundred dollars in content since joining"
You said yourself that you just started. No offense, but "several hundred dollars" sincee joining, by itself, may not meet the criteria. Banner rewards are pretty specific for the most part.
The Orange Banners for Daz Products seem to come from things like multiple purchases of Pro Packs, multiple purchases of Daz Orignal characters and similar. They are clearly rewards for significant purchasing.
As AllenArt said, joining PC+ will mean that your typical Pro Pack will be more like $60 to start.
yep ..join the cool kids club when it is on sale..the PC+ ,,, or do short term 3 month deal, but if oyu can afford the nanual, its a lot cheaper.. it goes on sale 30% off quite a bit. ... buy the new bundles as they come out..usually there is free content for buying it, along with a few add ons ... but the price comes out around the same... the older bundles are often given away free ...
Sooner or later you will see the bonus discounts ...
PC+ you get two $6 coupons per month, 30% off DAZ originals ...
FWIW I didn't start getting banners until after I bought thousands of dollars of stuff so good luck there lol.
In actuality, I think it sometimes depends more on what you buy than how much (although the two are linked). Sometimes the banners are a reward for people who buy the bulk of the pro bundles that come out. Sometimes they're aimed at how many items you have belonging to a specific vendor. Sometimes, I think, they are kinda random (at least they seem to be at times).
Laurie
LOL, so true! I was at my accountants going thru my savings plan and asked if the 10 grand in Daz assets could be included......he gave me the strangest look, dunno why.
LOL...oh wouldn't that be nice! "Ms Allen, all your Daz purchases are tax deductable"....LMAO. I guess if you used them for business but not for fun. :P
Laurie
I feel the same way with the discounts and banners. Don't get me wrong, I like the banners - but they are almost always given to the people who have already bought a ton of content. What that does is assure that the gap between those who already have a ton of content and those who don't continues to get wider and wider. While the people who have already bought a ton keep getting banners to incentivize them to buy even more - the people who may be just starting to get into 3D rendering and purchasing 3D content don't get the banners (or very rarely do), so they aren't as incentivized or as likely to buy. The gap grows.
I found this extremely frustrating during the first year and a half to two years of buying content here. I'm FINALLY up to where I can almost always get the banners, but I still remember the frustrating and frankly angering part of seeing people who already have quite a few pro bundles getting huge discounts on yet more pro bundles and others, myself included, not getting any banners (or very rarely getting them). While I get that they want to reward big spenders, getting at least a partial discount to those who don't meet the required "Already have X amount of bundles" may go a long way in helping those who've not bought a lot yet to start to "catch up" a little bit. Rather than keep widening the gap between the two. Plus it just feels bad to be excluded all the of the time.
I remember how bad that felt for nearly two years of being passed up on banners. While I'd get a few, I'd see people on the forum very frequently talking about banner discounts that I wasn't getting. Feels bad. Giving a banner to others with maybe just not as big of a discount would go a long way in endearing your customers to your brand rather than making them feel excluded and left out so often.
That's the reason why I tried never to mention a banner when I got one. Because I knew not EVERYONE got one ;). But invariably someone would blow the whistle and then that sort of "why not me too?" feeling pervades the forums. It's a common business practice for a company to reward bigger spenders because, well, they spend more and the company wants them to keep spending. They care less about people that don't spend much and it's not good business to reward people that don't spend (and I understand that). But I know how it makes people feel when they don't get a banner. I wish people would keep their mouths shut when they get one so they don't make the people that didn't feel bad ;).
Laurie
I'm still holding out for a 'G8 Pro Bundle Catchup sale'. This would be a great way to let people that didn't/couldn't take advantage of a previous pro bundle sale to get another crack at grabbing them at a decent discount.
I also have the issue many of us old timers have, and that's getting older pro bundles for free when you buy a few 'new' things. I have all the pro bundles except a couple. I picked up Scott 6 and Tween Julie last time. Scott 6 just because I didn't have the base figure (never bought him cuz he's got that whole super hero vibe which I'm not into), and Tween Julie because her clothes are cute and I can use them for other figures. So buying something new to get free pro bundles, for me, isn't an incentve because the ones that are left I'm not interested in. I wish they'd let you choose from other content. Orange banners should say 'since you've spent thousands of dollars here, we're giving you a gift card to buy $500 of content, even new stuff'.
Well you don't pay sales tax when checking out (unless you live in certain US states), so at least you save something there (unless you report it yourself). In the EU it's up to 27% depending on which country you live in, according to the new rules. However:
"To really enforce the law in the US, EU would need help from the US tax authorities. At the moment US tax authorities show little interest in enforcing this – moving wealth from US to EU isn’t in their best interest."
Sales tax has btw become an infamous bureaucracy for businesses selling digital products after UE introduced these new rules:
"Many small EU businesses with their own shops are going to have to move their business under the wings of Amazon, just because they can’t deal with the bureaucracy."
http://www.turbineroom.com/2014/im-us-whatll-happen-just-ignore-eu-vat-changes/
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/businessclub/11254829/New-EU-VAT-rules-threaten-to-kill-UK-micro-firms.html
It's funny that Daz charges tax on my purchases here because I live in Texas, and I guess it's one of 'those' states. But in the early years of my Daz life, they didn't charge tax, it was only instituted some yr ago. But when I buy from rendo, there is no tax. Bought 3 items at rendo today on sale with no tax. They never add tax. Why is that?
Sounds a bit weird... so instead of having something for everyone, depending on spendings (like... get 5 points for every $ you spend; get 500 points to get a $ 5.- voucher) which seems like a fair way to "reward" customers, You'd rather have nobody talking about the "rewards" for only an elite of "big spenders" so the poor masses don't turn enviously green?
I think, that many most pure hobbyists rarely come to this forum, except searching for hints to get something going. And I also think the number of people seeing "big spenders" getting rewarded is quite low. It's happening in the real world too anyways... Big Spenders in Vegas get their hotel suite for free, so they leave more money at the casino.. sounds okay to me (and most other folks, I guess...)
Nonetheless a different way to reward all customers for spending their money here at the DAZ shop would probably be appreciated by all customers. Or at least 99% of them, as there are always some who can't be satisfied by anything...
The thing is, you CAN make them tax deductible if you find a legitimate way to use them in your business somehow. For example, if you print a company Xmas card and use DAZ assets on it, or use DS/Poser to create custom web or newspaper images.
We've gone through this before and basically the word from DAZ was that as a Utah based company they were legally obligated to collect state taxes from Texas. AFAIK, Renderosity only collects taxes from sales made in the state where they're located, Tennessee.
I suspect that many companies don't do it if they can get away with it because it will make their products more expensive. It's interesting thoug that Smith Micro collects sales tax while their subsidiary Content Paradise doesn't.