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are there any modeled leafs, leafy trees in store?

MistaraMistara Posts: 38,675
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i'm assuming when the materials list transparencies, is not modeled leafs

some nice plants on sale today

want to try if modled leafs will render faster than light thru transparency leafs.

thankssmiley

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  • AllenArtAllenArt Posts: 7,175

    Trees with modeled leaves are super heavy on resources, which is why you don't see them often. If you want some for free, download Arboro....you can output trees with modeled leaves for free.

    Laurie

  • TangoAlphaTangoAlpha Posts: 4,587

    HowieFarkes has some excellent tree sets for Carrara; I'm pretty sure they use modelled leaves. And the leaves in my sets are all modelled.

    I can tell you with 100% certainty (cos I spent a lot of time rendering both kinds for my early sets) that modelled leaves render much faster -- by a factor of hours or even days if you have hundreds of trees/instances -- than transmapped ones. Yes modelled trees are heavy on memory, but that's much less of an issue in 64 bits and on modern computers than it was, say, 4 or 5 years ago. And instances reduce that overhead even further.

    Beware though of mixing modelled leaves with transmaps, cos then you'll get the worst of both worlds!

  • MistaraMistara Posts: 38,675

    the apple trees modelled leafs?

    thankssmiley

    a big chore of rendering sff animations.  ships and dragons flying over forest and jungle  terrains.

    need a forest tree canopy, basically.  was thinkin modelled leafs the way to go

    sff has a planetoid for every weather condition, lol

  • MistaraMistara Posts: 38,675
    AllenArt said:

    Trees with modeled leaves are super heavy on resources, which is why you don't see them often. If you want some for free, download Arboro....you can output trees with modeled leaves for free.

    Laurie

    Aboro?

    thanks!

  • j cadej cade Posts: 2,310
    AllenArt said:

    Trees with modeled leaves are super heavy on resources, which is why you don't see them often. If you want some for free, download Arboro....you can output trees with modeled leaves for free.

    Laurie

    Trees with modeled leaves are heavier on resources, **but** generally faster to render because not having to worry about a transparency maps makes a lot of rendering calculations simpler (athough you can do workarounds in many non-iray engines) actually, given that iray handles geometry way more easily than textures, depending on your texture size modeled leaves may take less memory at rendertime (no promise on the viewport however.)
  • MistaraMistara Posts: 38,675

    render calculations,

    it's hard to tell with iray,  no render buckets, cant see where it's snagging.

    hidden polys vs transparent polys?
    what does hidden polys actually do, pertaining to render calculations?
     

  • MistaraMistara Posts: 38,675
    edited May 2018
    j cade said:
    AllenArt said:

    Trees with modeled leaves are super heavy on resources, which is why you don't see them often. If you want some for free, download Arboro....you can output trees with modeled leaves for free.

    Laurie

     

    Trees with modeled leaves are heavier on resources, **but** generally faster to render because not having to worry about a transparency maps makes a lot of rendering calculations simpler (athough you can do workarounds in many non-iray engines) actually, given that iray handles geometry way more easily than textures, depending on your texture size modeled leaves may take less memory at rendertime (no promise on the viewport however.)

     

    30 frames per second, calculation time is significant impact

    Post edited by Mistara on
  • TangoAlphaTangoAlpha Posts: 4,587
    Mistara said:

    the apple trees modelled leafs?

    thankssmiley

    a big chore of rendering sff animations.  ships and dragons flying over forest and jungle  terrains.

    need a forest tree canopy, basically.  was thinkin modelled leafs the way to go

    sff has a planetoid for every weather condition, lol

     

    The apple trees are the one exception, cos they were made with xfrog as an experiment.

  • nonesuch00nonesuch00 Posts: 18,729
    TangoAlpha said:
    Mistara said:

    the apple trees modelled leafs?

    thankssmiley

    a big chore of rendering sff animations.  ships and dragons flying over forest and jungle  terrains.

    need a forest tree canopy, basically.  was thinkin modelled leafs the way to go

    sff has a planetoid for every weather condition, lol

     

    The apple trees are the one exception, cos they were made with xfrog as an experiment.

    I was going to say because from viewport to render they go from no leaves to many leaves.

  • MistaraMistara Posts: 38,675

    country ford?

     

  • TangoAlphaTangoAlpha Posts: 4,587
    Mistara said:

    country ford?

     

     

    modelled.

    The hedges are actually thousands of small 18 inch beech trees replicated (Carrara) / instanced (DS) over a hidden frame. The other trees are a mix of beech, horse chestnut and some flowering may/hawthorn (the original tree primitives are in the Carrara version).

  • DiomedeDiomede Posts: 15,388
    edited May 2018

    If you want to try arboro (free)

    - Arboro Tree Program, https://sourceforge.net/projects/arbaro/

    Post edited by Diomede on
  • MistaraMistara Posts: 38,675

    thanks smileysmiley

    want to try leaves in an emitter

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