Could a DAZ Studio app be possible?

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  • wsterdanwsterdan Posts: 3,063

    I agree that what you're describing is a neat idea; what you haven't noticed, though, is that what you've described is more than half of what I'm asking for. Add the ability to do import and use more than a single figure, allow it to use low-res textures, and let it do low-res renders (it's already showing a display, that's almost all I want render-wise) and we both get what we want

    I didn't read the entire thread, but I'm not disagreeing with you. I don't really see the point to low-res renders on a phone unless you want to use them for emojis or something, but sure.

     

    At no time has anyone talked about doing away with the desktop Studio, especially me. I've said the opposite.

     I wasn't saying that people in this thread were suggesting that. There's just a lot of talk in general that phones are replacing the computer, which I do not believe or agree with. 

    I’ve been focusing on tablets rather than phones, as I totally agree that phones might be a “step too far”. wink

    I’m probably using the phrase “low resolution” poorly; on my iMac, I never render anything less that’s 4096 x 3072 which, while small for a poster-sized print, is large enough for many comic images. On my iPad Pro, I’d be happy with lower resolution images to either use as a reference to either paint over or enhance with postwork, or to use as a panel in a webcomic; just rendering to the screen would give me a snapshot that’s 2732-by-2048, more than large enough for medium-to-high res panel in a webcomic. If could double that (or even 1.5x times) as a render, that would be awesome.

    Regarding phones replacing computers, I’m both agreeing and disagreeing; I agree 100% that they will never totally replace computers (they can’t; at the very least, professionals need them to make most of the content for the phones, and that’s probably never going to change) but at the same time, for a subset of the population, phones have already replaced computers. I actually know people who use their phones for everything and don’t even own a computer, nor feel the need for one (barbarians!).

    — Walt Sterdan

  • wolf359wolf359 Posts: 3,934
    edited April 2018

    " I wasn't saying that people in this thread were suggesting that. There's just a lot of talk in general that phones are replacing the computer, which I do not believe or agree with."

    Smart phones have already replaced computers as consumption devices due to their mobile nature and relative low cost.

    As production devices they are not even close however
    and frankly not intended to be.cool

    They are designed to be Disposable entertainment devices
    that are replaced every two years on average and it has worked.

    The company that ,in early 1990's, was considered Doomed by many,
    is now more valuable than the pseudo sovereign nation Exxon Mobile.
    Due to its IPhone.

    Sure some types of simple" production" are possible on smartphones, tablets.
    Amature novelists in japan have authored novels on their Iphones.laugh

    But for something serious Like Piece of legislation in Parliament
    or a screenplay for $200 million Dollar film ,
    Serious professionals are sitting in front of REAL computers to accomplish these tasks 

    On the matter of a "Daz Studio App" sure have at it.wink
    let the consumers play in some cute little DS widget on their favorite Smart device on the subway etc.

    While serious producers Like Zev0 continue to perform real work
    on a proper PC.....Tools matter.wink

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  • Rashad CarterRashad Carter Posts: 1,830
    wolf359 said:

    " I wasn't saying that people in this thread were suggesting that. There's just a lot of talk in general that phones are replacing the computer, which I do not believe or agree with."

    Smart phones have already replaced computers as consumption devices due to their mobile nature and relative low cost.

    As production devices they are not even close however
    and frankly not intended to be.cool

    They are designed to be Disposable entertainment devices
    that are replaced every two years on average and it has worked.

    The company that ,in early 1990's, was considered Doomed by many,
    is now more valuable than the pseudo sovereign nation Exxon Mobile.
    Due to its IPhone.

    Sure some types of simple" production" are possible on smartphones, tablets.
    Amature novelists in japan have authored novels on their Iphones.laugh

    But for something serious Like Piece of legislation in Parliament
    or a screenplay for $200 million Dollar film ,
    Serious professionals are sitting in front of REAL computers to accomplish these tasks 

    On the matter of a "Daz Studio App" sure have at it.wink
    let the consumers play in some cute little DS widget on their favorite Smart device on the subway etc.

    While serious producers Like Zev0 continue to perform real work
    on a proper PC.....Tools matter.wink

    I think the underlying concern here is that as demand for personal computers declines (due to the influence of phones and tablets) so will research and innovations in this area as well as pricing of hardware will also stagnate or even skyrocket. PC's wil be relegated to a niche product and like so will become very costly.

  • wsterdanwsterdan Posts: 3,063
    wolf359 said:

    " I wasn't saying that people in this thread were suggesting that. There's just a lot of talk in general that phones are replacing the computer, which I do not believe or agree with."

    Smart phones have already replaced computers as consumption devices due to their mobile nature and relative low cost.

    As production devices they are not even close however
    and frankly not intended to be.cool

    They are designed to be Disposable entertainment devices
    that are replaced every two years on average and it has worked.

    The company that ,in early 1990's, was considered Doomed by many,
    is now more valuable than the pseudo sovereign nation Exxon Mobile.
    Due to its IPhone.

    Sure some types of simple" production" are possible on smartphones, tablets.
    Amature novelists in japan have authored novels on their Iphones.laugh

    But for something serious Like Piece of legislation in Parliament
    or a screenplay for $200 million Dollar film ,
    Serious professionals are sitting in front of REAL computers to accomplish these tasks 

    On the matter of a "Daz Studio App" sure have at it.wink
    let the consumers play in some cute little DS widget on their favorite Smart device on the subway etc.

    While serious producers Like Zev0 continue to perform real work
    on a proper PC.....Tools matter.wink

    Agreed, tools matter, as does talent. A simple "production" like Unsane still mananged to rake in over ten million + on a budget of 1.5 million though it was shot on iPhone 7s (a profit of almost ten million dollars) while John Carter cost over 300 million to make and grossed almost 20 million less than it cost. Simply having really, really good equipment and tools is never enough on its own. Every piece of "real work" done in the film industry that flopped was done on serious equipment using serious tools... and every movie that used serious equipment and tools that lost money was beat out by at least one movie that used an iPhone for filming.

    While you've mentioned creating your own models when needed, you still base your work on store-bought DAZ characters, putting you right smack in the same boat with the rest of us consumerswink

    Again, I'm not advocating throwing out computers in favour of tablets (and even less so for phones). I don't think we'll ever relegate PCs to a niche product because no matter how good tablets get, actual computers will always be very, very much better for production and they evolve just as fast -- or faster -- than their little siblings.

    I'd be more than happy to play with my "cute little DS widget" on my tablet, probably using some of Zev0s utilities while I do so. yes

    -- Walt Sterdan

     

  • ArtiniArtini Posts: 10,315
    edited April 2018

    With recent development of tera hertz processors, it would be probably possible in the couple of years,

    if such processors will have similar instructions set to Intel/AMD ones, or provide other means

    to develop software for them. Such processors could be 100 times faster, than available nowadays

    and will be developed for mobile devices as well.

     

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  • I pointed out a cloud-based "gaming PC"-equivalent system that you can run through a phone/tablet, and that got shot down here as pointless.

  • wolf359wolf359 Posts: 3,934
    edited April 2018

    "While you've mentioned creating your own models when needed, you still base your work on store-bought DAZ characters, putting you right smack in the same boat with the rest of us consumers.

     


     
    I own two smart phones and a tablet 
    I "consumed "over 26 books last year on my tablet
    and filmed my son's recent swearing in ceremony as city Police Officer
    on a Samsung Galaxy in HD
    they are all great tools for what they do at this point in their development 


    However my store bought Genesis figures and their morphs ,were developed by DAZ inc, on a Real computer.
    My Custom clothing is made in Maxon Cinema4D that only runs on a Real computer

    My animation work is created in Iclone 6.5 ,Daz studio 4.8 and Natural Motions Endorphin that only runs on a Real computer.
    My animation work is rendered in Maxon C4D that only runs on a Real computer

    My Uncompressed targas are comped color graded and have VFX applied in Adobe After effects CS and Autodesk combustion that only runs on a Real computer
     

    My final Post produced shots are being edited in Apple final cut pro
    that only runs on a Real computer.
    ..tools matter.angel

     

     

    "Again, I'm not advocating throwing out computers in favour of tablets (and even less so for phones)."

     

     

    Tablet and phones are merely highly miniaturized purpose built computers.

    Eventually computers that handle large scale industrial tasks like
    Managing the Data sets of the New York stock Exchange  or the rendering of 4/8k video will become much smaller like phones and tablets.
    when that happens no one will miss our bulky towers and laptopscool.

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  • wsterdanwsterdan Posts: 3,063
    wolf359 said:

    I own two smart phones and a tablet 
    I "consumed "over 26 books last year on my tablet
    and filmed my son's recent swearing in ceremony as city Police Officer
    on a Samsung Galaxy in HD
    they are all great tools for what they do at this point in their development 


    However my store bought Genesis figures and their morphs ,were developed by DAZ inc, on a Real computer.
    My Custom clothing is made in Maxon Cinema4D that only runs on a Real computer

    My animation work is created in Iclone 6.5 ,Daz studio 4.8 and Natural Motions Endorphin that only runs on a Real computer.
    My animation work is rendered in Maxon C4D that only runs on a Real computer

    My Uncompressed targas are comped color graded and have VFX applied in Adobe After effects CS and Autodesk combustion that only runs on a Real computer
     

    My final Post produced shots are being edited in Apple final cut pro
    that only runs on a Real computer.
    ..tools matter.angel

    "Again, I'm not advocating throwing out computers in favour of tablets (and even less so for phones)."

    Tablet and phones are merely highly miniaturized purpose built computers.

    Eventually computers that handle large scale industrial tasks like
    Managing the Data sets of the New York stock Exchange  or the rendering of 4/8k video will become much smaller like phones and tablets.
    when that happens no one will miss our bulky towers and laptopscool.

    First off, congratulations on your son's graduation, that's fantastic! You must be  a very proud father -- I can't think of anything that would make a parent prouder than raising a child who chooses to spend their life helping make the world a better place. Again, my congratulations to the both of you.

    I agree, as always, that better tools help make better end products, absolutely no question there, no disagreement. 

    I think it's easy for us to lose track of where some of the progress is being made while we've got our noses buried in our own work. There's nothing on an iPad, for example, that matches After Effects, but at the same time I know that professional journalists are using their iPhones for filming and iPad software like LumaFusion to edit their video (it allows multiple tracks on the timeline for graphics, titles stills and video, three audio tracks to mix vocal, sounds effects and music (all editable and separate) as well as Chroma key (for green/blue screen work), advanced audio editing and effects, editable titles that can include shapes, and much more, for under $30. It's not After Effects, but it's closer to a professional piece of video editing and effects software than, say, iMovie.

    In the early 1980s I was in a similar situation working near the North Magnetic Pole -- I carried an enlarger and mini-darkroom with me and while stationed there took photos, developed the film and printed them. It wasn't a "professional" lab but it was the only one for a very, very long distance and, for the most part, my prints were as good as any lab did.

    I don't think we will ever not have our bulky towers and laptops, they're not going anywhere. Right now the system you're using is producing professional results that would have required a dedicated 3D workstation -- like an Silicon Graphics Indigo -- back in the early 1990s, and tweny years from now  your desktop unit will probably be doing work that requires a render farm now.

    I bought my first personal computer in 1981 and wrote my first 3D graphic program in 1982 using Paul Lutus's GraFORTH language -- the computer display was 192 x 140 pixels with less than 16 colours; a smartwatch now has 312 x 390 pixels with millions of colours, more memory and a much, much faster processor (not to mention a gazillion other goodies, like more RAM and storage space)... and no, I don't want to run DAZ Studio on one. wink

    In summary, I would love to have a stripped-down DAZ Studio on my iPad -- they built a working version six years ago -- but I assume that the demand for such a program is far too low for it to ever be a DAZ priority, so I'm not holding my breath. It's always possible that a fellow user will take on the project developing something in Unity, but for now, it's back to business as usual.

    -- Walt Sterdan

     

     

     

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