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Possible, don't see why not.
Desirable or useable; not yet.
They have one restriction, namely cost.
I'll add my voice to the question "why?"
I wouldn't want to try using Daz Studio, Bryce or Carrara on a tablet, I think you really need a mouse to use them easily. Touch screens are fine for web browsing or reading e-books but I don't like trying to use them for more complex applications.
Cloud based rendering could be useful although I wouldn't want to depend on it, I have very little faith in the cloud. But I think you'd need a lot of processing power to run high quality renders for a significant percentage of Daz customers and I doubt we could get that for free.
if we dig this thread up again in another 4 years we will probably be rendering on our Nvida shield superduper plus mega tablet and streaming it live in virtual reality.
I'll agree that something on an app could be useful for importing objects into the scene and moving them around, even if it can't do the rendered output. But I just take a monster laptop around that does it all instead.
I'd love an app that let me do the categorizing of my content library on the go though.
"My understanding is not when there is profit involved. It was the reason Legal told us we should not use Lux. Maybe they're wrong and maybe they're just erring on the side of caution. We have licenses for Vray, Maxwell and Octane."
Not to derail the thread, but I would love to have a vray render option in DAZ...
Not an App, but I know from a previous thread (or a later thread by first post) that some of the devs use DS on MS Surface tablets, but doing their rendering on a desktop runing Iray Server.
Same here, but an affordable one.
In saying that, I love using IRAY because it is builtin and I can use the preview function which saves me a ton of time. If a 3rd party could implement another renderer such as Vray to function the same way as IRAY, then I would be sold!
I actually gave a remote-desktop app a whirl between my iPad and my Mac a few months ago. Can't for the life of me remember which one :-(
It was...serviceable if all you're trying to do is login for a quick admin tweak or to check on an app's progress. But absolutely no way you'd run it expecting responsive UI. The screen updated in blocks and the lag was notable. Several seconds behind. And this was just routing through my house wifi, not over The Inner Tubes.
I recall the connection being a little flaky too, alas. One of those nifty concepts that just isn't quite there yet. It would be nice, though :D
Totally agree with this! Would be great to set up a scene, save to Dropbox and render later! Brilliant! I would personally love cloud rendering too because it takes forever on my Mac and PC laptop which doesn't have NVIDIA.
Affordable is indeed the key - Vray 3.5 for 3ds max is around $1100 for a workstation license. Iray or Mental Ray from Nvidia goes for around 300 PER YEAR for a single Max license. Would I pay for Daz studio with a Vray renderer? If the price was reasonable, you bet.
Since everything, even dating and fertility have been simplified into apps, why should artistically creative processes be any different? This the current trend, and an awful one in my view. I find myself quite personally attached to the idea of sitting at an actual computer, with a keyboard and mouse, all of that. The notion of "on the go" often arises as the reason for the need for these apps. But I think what happens is that we end up ruining our experiences in modern society. Nothing has its sacred time anymore. We mix everything together in this life, multi-tasking to the point that nothing has its approprirate space anymore. Breakfast food for dinner. Shrimp Cocktail or breakfast. There's nothing wrong with it, except that it is generally unnecessary.
Each of us creates differently. For me, creation requires some degree of concentration. If I'm on the go, then I'm likely too busy to apply the degree of attention to the artwork as I would have if I'd treated the process with more reverence. There are clearly those random moments when out and about when artistic inspiration arises suddenly, and for those instances the ability to access an app would be cool. But it isnt a major selling point for me.
Deadlines have a huge impact on the creative process. Often, we embrace tools that help us get the job done faster, even if we might sacrifice some degree of artistic specificity. Very few things turn out their best when accomplished in a hurried manner. But the business cares more about dates than final quality, so yes, we need tools that can speed up the process, in any and all ways, to make money. But for a primary hobbyist like myself, definitely dontl; want to see things to the way of apps all over the place. Micro-devices.
I'm also not the most prolific producer of artwork. I mostly experiment so very few of my tests are worthy of being called artwork. But some people are on a sort of clock. Like a fertile chicken, every few days they must hatch out a something. Those individuals minds are moving faster than mine, and need different tools than I do.
Personal computers have in a single lifetime gone from being a sign of futuristic development to a sign of stagnation. I'm still stuck somewhere in the 2000's.
Maybe just like big phones are back in, maybe the idea of a personal computer placed on a desk with a keyboard and mouse will come back into vogue in a couple of years. We can go back to ignoring each other looking at big screens instead of little tablets. Fun fun!
LOL, too true Rashad. I recently saw a video of a girl in the mall in China that was too focused on her phone that she walked right into a fountain, LOL. Sad thing is, when she got out, she got right back on her phone. I constantly have to tell my employees to stay off their phones and that the company doesn't pay them to use their phones.
I tried a remote desktop app called "Splashtop" on my laptop and my ipad , It does a good job although on the ipad it lowers the desktops resolution to something like 1024x768 . It has a free version and a version that lets you stream over the internet .
Then there are those of us who just like being lazy and comfortable. I would prefer to sit in bed with my cat and an iPad and occasionally look up out my bedroom window at my nice view of palm trees than sit at my desktop computer in a less comfortable position in front of a window with no view because I have to keep the blinds closed because my window faces a public area. And right now, after midnight, I am eating breakfast cereal and this morning had salmon for breakfast, leftover from the restaurant dinner the night before. Come on, we are creative people, struck with creative ideas at random times and also, I'd much prefer creating Daz scenes while waiting at the DMV or a doctor's office than feeling like I'm dying of boredom. Besides It's fun to be a bit eccentric... And forget phones, VR is the future...
The problem with apps is the lack of RAM in mobile devices. Game level 3D is doable but getting DS level textures, geometry and such isn't happening in the 512M, 1G, or 1.5G of RAM the vast majority of tablets have. Then you have to take into account that 95% of mobiles are 32-bit.
Once tablets are running 3GB or more this is more doable.
Kendall
So funny! Thanks for those insights. For some time I've been considering the standing desktop situation, to improve my overall health. But I decided that standing in place for hours at a time probably wasn't so healthy, if I wasn't moving around as well as standing upright then probably not much benefit is gained but a lot of stress is put on the legs and knees and back. But I am no expert. I'm wondering if standing by working really is benficial?
Virtual Reality is the future. And so are apps and micro devices, there's nothing anyone can do to stop the trend. And there will certainly be many good things both expected and unexpected that will come out of this trend.
I won't judge you for inverting your meal times. So long as you dont try eating salmon along with your breakfast cereal, I can relate. BTW, are you one of those people who likes to combine sweets with meats? Rarely that combo has worked for me, but some people love it.
Agreed; I’ve had 4 GB on my old iPad Pro for a couple of years now, full 64-bit OS, and would gladly pay one or two hundred dollars for a stripped-down DAZ Studio that would allow me to smaller, low-resolution images of even a fraction of my D|S library. I don't need iRay and would settle for even an OpenGL (or similar, possibly metal-based) renderer.
I’d love to have, for example, Toon Generations 1 and 2 on my iPad for doing simple webcomics without needing to use my desktop. I know I’m in the vast minority (“vast minority"? Maybe "scarce minority”?)...
— Walt Sterdan
It's not only possible eventually it will be a probable requirement in time. Don't worry, that's a long ways off. All the OS vendors are working on making their walled garden more securely robust and cross-HW-platform, if not cross OS platform although MS does actually have Visual Studio and other SW on osX now.
My first real foray into Daz Studio was on a Surface Pro 3. i5, 8gb, using 3Delight. It's definitely doable but I understand now why the rendering gets done on a desktop. It took me about 8 months to kill my cooling fan. As long as I could use a mouse, Studio, Blender and Gimp were as good as on my current computer except for the small screen size, limited ram and no gpu. I loved using it for Studio. The Surface was/is touted as a tablet PC and I can attest to that.
I agree that eventually most of it will be in walled gardens in the cloud. One of the things that will stave it off for a while is accessability. With too many people not having access to the required connection, or not being able to afford the bandwidth, too much revenue goes begging. The 'network' has to be far more all encompassing, reliable and cost effective before they can afford to write of the plebs that won't have or can't afford the necessary access.
Wow, this old thread is once again revived! Actually I don't eat meat. I live in L.A. and am the quintessential L.A. stereotype. Eat organic, nuts, grains, fish for protein. No animals. I used to have pet fish, so I don't even really like the idea of eating fish, but I do.
Now that the iPad Pro is here with the "pencil" it seems like we could get closer to doing what the OP suggested. At least set up scenes, if not render them. But it would be great if there was some sort of Daz cloud render farm we could use since they don't want their assets out there... That would be a great next step for Daz and could get them tons of new customers as kids could start to learn on iPads in school and Daz could maybe charge a monthly render fee or a per minute fee...
I really hate Windows, and even if I could render on my Mac in a render farm, that would be something!
Very this. It gets brought up now and then in various discussions here, but it must be remembered that desktops have better cooling than most smaller systems, which are designed more for bursts of high activity — rarely more than a few seconds at a time of the CPU going full blast. The rest of the time, activity is lower and the cooling system isn't strained. 3D rendering (any program, this isn't just a DAZ|Studio thing) is the exact opposite. It's one of the most stressful things your computer will ever do; its bits and pieces are all going at full throttle for however long the render lasts. Minutes, hours, days? If the cooling system isn't in perfect condition and doesn't have a good failsafe design, it's only a matter of time before Something Nasty™ (and probably expen$$$ive) happens.
All Remote Desktop apps aren't the same. Just trying one doesn't tell you much of anything. Microsoft's Remote Desktop on Windows is perfect, but the versions MS makes for other platforms are just the worst. JumpDesktop is 99% perfect on the Mac, but it's not up to snuff on other platforms. You really have to try several to see which one fits your needs and works best on the client platform. The best I've found on Chrome OS is to install Crouton and run a Linux session, then run rdesktop from there. (Google's Chrome Remote Desktop would be tops, but it can't resize the server's screen to fit the client. You get two display options, both of which are unsuitable if your server is attached to a large display.)
I would love a DAZ app for posing. It doesn't have to render or even load up more than one or two characters so you can use touch controls to create poses for later use on the desktop. As long as it had Lit Wireframe and a basic textured view, and the ability to display a quad view on a tablet, it would be awesome.
I rarely chime in on posts like these because there are always going to be some who vehemently argue for or against something like this with no understanding of where the other points come in. But, this seems to be a good conversation so I'll throw in my two cents.
A few years ago, Smith Micro created this "light" version of Poser called Poser Debut which was designed to introduce you to Poser and 3D art in general with a very light approach. You could set up scenes (basic stuff), import characters, render...and if you had Poser or Poser Pro, export the scenes to add more to them. It didn't last long...or at least I don't see them trying to sell it anymore. My point is, those of you who are saying you would go for a Daz mobile app is looking for something like this or maybe even lower scaled.
The problem? What content are you going to use to setup your scenes and then export them to "the cloud" (which is nothing more than distributed computing, something we all do if we have a client/server setup in our homes) then import them into your main Daz program? How will the app bundle all of the necessary parts of the scene, allow you to save all of that together, push it to the cloud, and then import it? Will the different OS's, depending on the tablet you use, allow for cross capatibility with the program (meaning, files that were created for a Daz light app on iOS being opened in the Windows version)? Processing power for simple functions like loading characters, posing and placement, test rendering? RAM space? Security? etc...
Something else to think about...if convience is your main adoption point...I don't know if that's a good one. Like Rashad stated above, we live in a go, go, go society with these mobile apps to the point where I'm surprised someone has made an app that allows you to use the bathroom via WIFI (please no one develop something like this). But art and convience don't really seem like two words that should be in the same sentence. You wish to do art in a relaxing environment that fuels creativity and concentration, something these mobile apps, in my opinion, really do not do.
I'm all for an application that let you do simple, quick markups as ideas for scenes...but that's as far as I would go with 3D on a tablet and even then it's going to require several bells and whistles. I much prefer being old, ancient, and stuck in the Flintstones era by simply sitting in front of my supped up workstation in my home office overlooking my beautiful backyard to do my 3D art...just like I have my art easel.
Everything that sounds good on paper doesn't necessarily execute well.
As mentioned above, my desire for a stripped-down, tablet version of D|S isn't to totally replace my desktop version (I don't think that will ever be possible). I'm interested in an app that would work in conjunction with the main program, allowing me to work on scenes and character set-ups when I don't have access to my desktop. I'd like the ability to do simple, smaller renders (to use in a web comic, for example). I'm never going to replace my copy of PhotoShop with my iPad's version of SketchBook Pro, but that doesn't mean I won't take advantage of using SketchBook on my iPad when I'm nowhere near my desktop. If I were more artistically-skilled, I'd probably just use SketchBook, Comic LIfe and Comic Draw on my iPad and forget about 3D for webcomics... but sadly, I'm not.
To try to put things in perspective, the first time I used Poser was in the summer of 1995; I was running it on a Power Macintosh 8100/80AV with 128 MB and loved it. I had to paint hair on all of my figures and it meant a lot of postwork, but it also made setting up my panels much faster and easier. Back then, Poser was being used more as a digital mannequin than for its final render quality, though that didn't mean you couldn't use the final renders "as is".
When DAZ Studio 1.0 came out (2005) I was using an iMac G4 with 1 GB memory, and the final render quality was leaps and bounds above Poser 1.0 beta. We were still running the 3rd generation figures (Victoria, Mike, Stephanie, Aiko, Hiro, David and Freak) and for the most part the figures still work well.
In 2012, DAZ created a proof-of-concept app showing Genesis posing, morphing and possibly animating on a fourth generation iPad (picts below); that was almost six years ago, and they'd cobbled something together just to show developers. I believe the iPad they were using had 1 GB RAM and a Geekbench multi-core rating of 1332.
All that said, my first generation iPad Pro (almost three years old now -- where does the time go?) has 4 GB of RAM and a Geekbench rating (multi-core) of 5081. The new iPad Pros hit 9289.
My iPad Pro is roughly three times faster with four times the RAM than the machine I was running DAZ Studio 1.0 on, and I have a hard time calculating how much faster it is than than the machine I first ran Poser on ,,, and the new iPad Pros are almost twice as fast.
Some users here have used DAZ figures inside Unity, I'd be willing to "settle" for Unity-quality renders for webcomics, if it provided access to at least some of my library (and especaily if it used a Metal-optimized OpenGL, as some people have demoed) and the abilitiy to pose and morph (as DAZ already showed was possible in 2012).
Replace my desktop? Never. Despite my home iMac being roughly 6 years old, I was still able to render a scene with 20 Genesis 3 characters out at 4096 x 3072 with four lights 12 minutes (I don't see an iPad doing that for a very long time). Would I like to set up a scene, or set up a character on a whim without running home to my desktop? You bet!
I'd like to use Toon Generations models (both generations) but would settle for being able to use Genesis (as shown in their demo). Hmmm, "DAZ Studio -- Genesis Mobile Edition" has a nice ring to it.
Looking at it another way, some users here are willing to shell out hundreds of dollars to upgrade their video cards not to make rendering their scenes possible, but to help them render faster. For me, a DAZ Studio Ultra-Lite or D|S Mobile app would let me set up scenes, create characters and develop my renders faster, and for that I'd be willing to pay as much or more than I paid when D|S first went Pro.
-- Walt Sterdan
I think an DAZ app that basically had Powerpose and a gray figure that could be used to create poses that could then be exported to a PC and used in the full Studio would be a neat idea. Other than that, no - Studio needs power, it needs a good interface, and it needs to be on a computer. I'm so sick of people predicting that phones will replace computers - there isn't a single thing expect *maybe* talk on Skype that I would rather do on a phone than my PC. Phones and tablets are convenient, computers are precise, powerful, and expandable. Keep Studio where it belongs and where it works best.
Well, I prefer my desktop for rendering and doing all artsyfartsy stuff. My desk is a mess, the desktop on the desktop is a mess too with a ton vacation photos I tossed there while fixing them up. My old laptop is rather large and so I never get it out and use it. I will just for the sake of trying out linux distros. But if I had it to do over again, I'd buy a tiny laptop to surf around while the desktop was left to render over in the corner. I just charged my Amazon tablet and was reading on the desktop try to decide what to send my tablet. I like reading and surfing from the couch but the only art happening on the couch is me coloring a mandala.
Not that anyone cares but I love eating meat! So much so I helped pluck those chickens at granny's so she could fry them. At 4 I learned the butcher didn't have a college degree and decided that's what I could do instead of going to college!!!! I loved the grinder there, it was more fun than the playdough fun factory, cause it actually WORKED unlike 90% of the crap that passed as toys in the 80s. I am the quintessential redneck from South Eastern GA, Go ME! rofl. My husband is one of the best repo men there is and we are part owners of three rent to own stores. Poor white trash no more. We are doing just fine. I use to crop tobacco as a child for slave wages I used to buy Barbie dolls. Vicky is the ultimate Barbie Doll who I can turn into 1000s of dolls if I only live long enough. I just wanted to point out that Daz appeals to all kinds of people.
I agree that what you're describing is a neat idea; what you haven't noticed, though, is that what you've described is more than half of what I'm asking for. Add the ability to do import and use more than a single figure, allow it to use low-res textures, and let it do low-res renders (it's already showing a display, that's almost all I want render-wise) and we both get what we want.
At no time has anyone talked about doing away with the desktop Studio, especially me. I've said the opposite.
As far as phones replacing computers, that boat has partly sailed. A lot of people have and use phones and tablets that don't actualy have a computer. You'd "maybe" talk on Skype, but there' s a whole mess of people who would only use a computer for Skype, and Facebook, and Twitter, etc, and where a computer costs money they get their phone for free with their service plan.
Those paople aren't here; everybody here uses DAZ Studio and Poser and for those we need -- and will always need -- computers, because even if a tablet gets good enough to match the computers we're using now by that time the computers will be doing twenty times more. By the time I ever see 32 GB of RAM on my iPad, I'll no doubt have 256 GB on my computer.
Bottom line: six years ago DAZ produced an iPad app that did most of what I want an app to do, I'd just love to see them finish the job and I'm willing to pay for it. I probably won't ever get it, but that doesn't stop me from wanting it.
-- Walt Sterdan
I didn't read the entire thread, but I'm not disagreeing with you. I don't really see the point to low-res renders on a phone unless you want to use them for emojis or something, but sure.
I wasn't saying that people in this thread were suggesting that. There's just a lot of talk in general that phones are replacing the computer, which I do not believe or agree with.