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AMD Ryzen Mk II (12nm). Info thread.

tj_1ca9500btj_1ca9500b Posts: 2,057
edited April 2018 in The Commons

OK, so the NDA on 12nm Ryzen reviews will be lifted later this week (April 19th?).  Anyways, since some have hit the retail channels already, there are a few reviews of the processor from retail buyers.

This one is intriguing.  It compares a stock 4GHz Ryzen2700 (12nm) to an overclocked 1700.  Looks like the move to 12nm plus some other improvements needed an average 10% gain in performance:

https://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-7-2700x-gaming-benchmarks-vs-1700-at-4ghz-10-faster-on-average/

Of course, the 12nm Ryzens are also coming with a slight boost to clock speed.  Several have reported 4.2 or even 4.3 GHz stable overclocks, so that should result in an even higher performance uplift.  Also, the 'official' memory clock speed support will be higher for the new Ryzen  mobo chipsets than the 1st gen Ryzen chipsets, which is another place where a performance uplift is expected.

Here's a published review that was in a magazine.  It mentions a 14% synthetic benchmark uplift vs the 1800x...

https://www.techradar.com/news/the-first-amd-ryzen-7-2700x-review-reveals-brute-force-performance

AND, the 2700x's suggested retail prices are significantly lower than what the 1700x's launched at last year ($329 USD).  Of course, you can find 1800x's for cheaper now (currently $319 at Newegg), seeing they are now 'older' hardware, but yeah that's not a bad price for 8 cores/16 threads...

Intel has it's own refreshes/updates coming on the CPU front this year.  The  new 10nm processors are/should be on deck this year.  I'd imagine that Ryzen will continue to put downward pressure on Intel prices in 2018... which is good news for us consumers.

12nm Threadripper is also on deck this year, but supposedly not until summer.  There's been no mention that I've seen of a 12nm EPYC refresh so far, although there's been some mentions of a 7nm server chip coming on deck in 2019.  EPYC has been very well received so far - Serve The Home has done a bunch of EPYC reviews, from the 8 core versions up to the 32 core ones, in both single and dual CPU configs.

Anyways, just a couple more days until the wave of Ryzen 12nm reviews hit.  If you were considering Ryzen, it might be worthwhile to wait on the 12nm version at this point... or for a screamin' deal on the 1xxx series Ryzens...

 

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  • tj_1ca9500btj_1ca9500b Posts: 2,057
    edited April 2018

    Nothing new on the 12nm Ryzen front yet today that I've seen in my rounds (tomorrow is the 'big day' supposedly), but AMD did score an interesting win for EPYC...

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  • nonesuch00nonesuch00 Posts: 18,812

    Wow, 12nm AMD & MS with 10nm. Those should be real power savers. I think I will wait for a CPU with a 7nm or less before I buy a new PC. My current 6 year old laptop has 22nm

  • tj_1ca9500btj_1ca9500b Posts: 2,057

    And the reviews are out!

    Here's a review roundup, courtesy of [H]ardOCP:

    https://www.hardocp.com/news/2017/03/03/amd_ryzen_review_roundup

    Also, Anandtech's deep dive:

    https://www.anandtech.com/show/12625/amd-second-generation-ryzen-7-2700x-2700-ryzen-5-2600x-2600

    The takeaway is, on average, a 10% performance uplift over Ryzen, a 3% increase in IPC, they managed to shave a cycle off of the L2 latency, official memory support for DD$4 2933 (at least one high end X470 motherboard is spec'ed at DDR4 3600)...  Yeah, it's an incremental update, but a welcome one!

  • tj_1ca9500btj_1ca9500b Posts: 2,057

    More LN2 silliness.  Ryzen 2700x pushed up to 6GHz...

    https://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-7-2700x-6-ghz-world-record-overclock/

  • outrider42outrider42 Posts: 3,679

    I just want an Iray benchmark whenever somebody from here gets one.

    It is very nice to see gaming marks go up on these. It was the only drawback to Ryzen 2017. So these are all around chips that do everything really well. And lets not forget that ALL of them are unlocked. No "k" series tax nonsense like Intel. These chips could be even more popular. And this good all around for the PC industry, as Intel needs competition. This could even funnel into the GPU side and help get AMD the all important RND cash flow they need to make their next GPU series better, and more importantly, more manufacturing. Vega has all kinds of manufacturing issues.

  • nonesuch00nonesuch00 Posts: 18,812

    I wouldn't hesitate a second to buy one of these new Ryzen chips but I like an integrated GPU and AMD have none. If Intel can integrate an AMD GPU with an Intel CPU you would think that AMD could do the same.

  • tj_1ca9500btj_1ca9500b Posts: 2,057
    nonesuch00 said:

    I wouldn't hesitate a second to buy one of these new Ryzen chips but I like an integrated GPU and AMD have none. If Intel can integrate an AMD GPU with an Intel CPU you would think that AMD could do the same.

    Ummm, yes there are Ryzen APUs available:  Ryzen 2200G and 2400G.  Several laptops are being released with these currently.  You can also buy these separately.  4 cores, integrated Vega 11 graphics, Socket AM4 (the socket used by the other 4/6/8 core Ryzens, not the Threadripper one though).

    Of course, I'd prefer 8 cores with the integrated graphics, but on the AMD side that hasn't happened yet. The Intel + Vega APU DOES have HBM (awesome) but only 4 cores.  And for Daz, the only advantage would be to run your monitor and desktop functions using the integrated APU while your dedicated NVidia GPU does the rendering.

     

     

  • nonesuch00nonesuch00 Posts: 18,812
    tj_1ca9500b said:
    nonesuch00 said:

    I wouldn't hesitate a second to buy one of these new Ryzen chips but I like an integrated GPU and AMD have none. If Intel can integrate an AMD GPU with an Intel CPU you would think that AMD could do the same.

    Ummm, yes there are Ryzen APUs available:  Ryzen 2200G and 2400G.  Several laptops are being released with these currently.  You can also buy these separately.  4 cores, integrated Vega 11 graphics, Socket AM4 (the socket used by the other 4/6/8 core Ryzens, not the Threadripper one though).

    Of course, I'd prefer 8 cores with the integrated graphics, but on the AMD side that hasn't happened yet. The Intel + Vega APU DOES have HBM (awesome) but only 4 cores.  And for Daz, the only advantage would be to run your monitor and desktop functions using the integrated APU while your dedicated NVidia GPU does the rendering.

     

     

    That is good to hear. I would want the 8 core too and wait for 7nm dies for CPU & GPU. As far as DAZ goes I open they intergrate the open source AMD ProRenderer (or whatever they are calling it now).

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