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..yeah but not into fantasy or horror stuff which often tends to be included in most bundles for either gender.
Sadly contemporary clothing is more scarce (most likely because it's seen as "boring") and what we do get for males is the "tube look" for pants and shirt sleeves.
Nothing wrong to pay more for clothes with enhanced abilities... if they have any. From what I've seen as dForce ready clothing now, it's mostly quite simple designs, on which dForce seems to be easy to implement. And there's quite a few older clothes that look about the same and are also ready to be dForced, without being specifically "designed for dForce".
Add to that, quite often PAs seem to see dForce as an all inclusive solution, neglecting other possible and interesting things, like morphs... Undress morphs with different states are quite usefull. Some can be replicated by using dForce, but usually a special morph works better. And there's also the thing with clothes - especially jackets - that really should (!) come with the option to be used opened or buttoned/zipped up, which many aren't...
So anybody expecting me to pay $ 20.- plus for a jacket that might look a bit more natural due to dForce doing it's gravity magic on it expects too much. If it would come with opened/zipped close morphs and a couple of others (like "on cloth hanger" or "on ground" versions..) I might be tempted a lot more to dish out extra money for it.
With character figures it's about the same. Nice to see 365 different lipstick colours, 366 different finger- and toenail colours and tattoos for every inch of the body... usually those are the things that interest me least, compared to "personality" and "useability" of a figure. "Edward" was a close one... but not enough to trigger my "buy it" sense.. "Ollie" did... especially, as he came as a real bargain. And compared to the "Edward" pro package, the one for "Ollie" offered a lot more stuff that I considered as usefull. So even if "Edward" would have been available for the same low price, I would not have been inclined to buy his pro package, due to "not the stuff I need". Which is also true for so much stuff in the shop. Do we really need ten different hairstyles with a ponytail and bangs, just because... well, it's new? Even the new dForcable twin ponytail hair is no "instant buy" for me - not even at 50% reduced price - because I already got some hair looking close to it, without dForce though, but still usefull enough as it is, so the dForce version has to take a seat on my wishlist until the price is much more suited to my taste...
...that's my feeling about most character morphs. I don't need those 365 different glamorous makeup and nail colours which seem prevalent in almost every female character or deep bronzed tans (including teens & kids). Particularly for the younger set I'd rather have dirt, food, and grime settings because, kids get messy when playing and even eating.
I want to go the other way
the only way is to model it from scratch I am afraid
I start with an open cylinder mostly in Carrara my modeling program of choice
you could use Blender, Wings3D or Hexagon depending on your preferences
I then shape that cylinder using soft select and symmetry and extrude sleeves etc, there are certainly many modeling tutorials on youtube especially for Blender though that program does not have an easy user interface
Hexagon which is free from DAZ would be my suggestion and is very similar to Carrara which I use, I am just used to Carrara, Hexagon actually has more tools.
I think she came with a low resolution texture and that's what I stuck with. I remember being able to afford her and not Michael when he came out later, maybe as much as a year later, but that's nearly 20 years ago. Can't look since that computer cooked. Still have the Poser 4 CDs though and the Poser 4 Pro (or something like that) add-on CD.
It was quick and easy to find a few texture freebies, althogh more in a toon style.
It's funny, I probably have about 366 finger-and-toenail colors.
But I never use them.
Every time I want polish on a character, it's faster and easier to
apply a stock white plastic shader and dial in the color I want.
I tend to use just shaders too.
I started this whole crazy hobby with Poser 2, I think on sale for $99 at the time. That was when Metacreations still owned it and Bryce. I don't think Carrara was out, yet. Back then, the morphs were all part of the base software. And, you could make some pretty realistic ethnic faces just by spinning the dials. I spun dials and painted my own skin textures from the templates and then spent hour painstakingly drawing in hair in Photoshop because the hair back then looked more like the old plastic action figure hair helmet than anything realistic. It was a big deal to render in OpenGL. I forget what the raytracer was back then.
Anyway, the point is that the $99 was ALL that I spent on that program. The Daz model for giving away the software and selling the morphs and addon characters, props, skins...etc., generates far more sales and in the end, is far more expensive. It's funny how the shift goes from a hobby of creating to a hobby of buying. It's not all bad. I love getting all the cool accessories and extra tools. But, it does cause me to spend way more than I ever did even on more expensive programs like Carrara and InfiniD when they first came out.
I guess my point is that it isn't the price that matters as much as the enticement to buy tons of content that we don't really always need to make pretty pictures. If I had stuck to buying only the items that I actually use on a regular basis, I doubt I would have spent a third of the money here that I have after buying the thousands of bargain items that now sit on my runtime - waiting for me to remember I own them.
...for myself Poser was 250$ (P4) which considering I was new to this, in a low wage occupation, and not sure i'd like it would have been a tough hit for the budget to swallow (at the time I believe there was no refund policy). As to Daz, yes, I've probably spent more here in content plugins and merchant resources to buy every edition of Poser Pro that ever came out as list price and still have change rattling around in my pocket (I know I have exceeded the current price of Modo). The attractive part was I could build my toolbox over time as I learned, rather than have to plunk down 250 - 400$ (the latter in the case of Vue Studio at the time) and still find I need to buy content to really take this somewhere. If I discovered this wasn't for me I could back out with minimal investment risk. Also it allowed me to customise the software to the needs I have (for example I don't do animation however Vue Studio includes a 140$ animation module that I'd never use).
I hear ya. The biggest issue for me is getting excited about good looking items before I actually have a use for them...then, forgetting that I own them. Just the other day, I was looking at something and thought, "Wow, that's a good looking hair, I should put that in my wishlist." Then, I went to the item page and realized that I had already bought it a year ago...LOL Oh well, at least I rediscovered it in my runtime. :)
Prices are raising. It is not an impression...
So true. My buying has been a bit out of control for the last few years as I find it hard to resist all the big discount sales, and I have a ridiculous number of items that I've never used in a finished render.... I mean, I own six different jumbo jets, eight private jets, at least three airports and four police stations, and have yet to actually use any of them for anything other than tests. My big goal for this year is to finally get everything I own organized and cataloged for easy reference, so that when I see a new sparkly in the store I can do a quick cross check on what I already have and say "nope, enough is enough."
diversity..yes.. I see stuff all the time that I can envision a render, but then I see something else that I could use ... on and on.
most I never get around to using. Wow... I could buy a new pair of real shoes or something.
I remember a conversation more then 10 years ago about how some women wished they had V4's wardrobe, so much more then in real life.
As to the price of things, of course they have gone up, that is natual in any buisness. As to how much they have gone up, depends what country you are from, still on the low side for me in Canada. All in all, I have not paid for that much over the years, yet my product library is up to about 30 pages and that is thanks to the generosity of free items and bundles I can get for less then $5.00 on quick grab. And that is just one site, I have stuff from 5 different sites. Would have been more but closures and mergers have happened over the years. I spend money when I can, I do want to support the people who have been so generous, but my income is limited, so I have to watch my spending carefully.
I have made the decision not to go past G2 simply because I can not keep up with the new technology, I can't use iray and dforce, so I have no reason to get any of the newer stuff which seems to be centered around those two qualities, even if it's free. For the past couple months, every time I look at new items in the store, it's almost all iray and dforce, squeezing out anyone who can't use those things.
My goal is animation and so long as the models I have continue to work in this goal, I have no reason to move on, thereby keeping my costs minimal.
When I bought Poser 4 it was 600 CHF which was about $350 or maybe $400 USD back as exchange rates changes so fast but then nowdays it's about equal at $600 for a few years now.
...do you pay VAT as well?
Yikes! Back in the day, I used to buy the Poser upgrade every other year...which did usually cost me between $50 and $100. So, I guess in that regard, I was buying content of a sort. Even so, that's a drop in the bucket compared to what I've spent on the free Daz Studio content and tools.
Taxes are included in the price before you purchase so I know I paid VAT but how much was unknown to me. They don't bother nearly as much in Europe with the 'psychology' of the lower price. It's been a while since I lived there but my brother-in-law says that now the prices in Euros in Germany are equal to what the prices were in Deutsch Marks in I think it was 1999 or 2000 when they switched to the Euro. Used to be about 2 Marks = 1 Euro. I remember using Marks when I 1st moved there. So that is massive, massive inflation in 18 years. The VAT is included in all prices in all countries on the sticker that I remember.
Really confusing and silly is some discount grocery store like Migros prints a monetary amount in red in manufacturing, not as a sticker, that is actually the amount of a discount they are giving and not the price of the item, which is in black. Or maybe I got it backwards again, I don't know. I've walked out embarrassed a few times having only brought the cash for the discount and not the actual price.
After that I started ordering it from America but I only bought Poser 5 before dropping it for something like a decade. Price then was still high but nothing like the Swiss price. Also I could order it in English.
...If I move to Europe after my SS goes to full retirement, I'll have to keep that in mind.
Try Romania. It's beautiful, cheap to live there and the people are great.
I considered it once, but my guns are a nice, enjoyable hobby.
...one of the countries on my list.
http://www.feliciasimionphotography.com/
A young Romanian photographer.
A stunning artist.
A friend.
..nice galleries.
However, looks like they get more 'real winter" than I thought there, which doesn't suit my bones and joints very well.
Been looking at the southeast coast of Spain (if the unrest there doesn't get out of hand), southern Italy, or Montenegro.
The "unrest" is more at the north-eastern side of Spain. I don't expect it to go to a point, where living in Spain would be made problematic.
Romania is usually seen here (germany) rather more of an emigration, than an immigration country, methinks. At the Black Sea coast, the weather probably isn't as harsh as further inland, where the carpathian mountain range lies. It's also famous for being the home country for Vlad Dracul
All in all that's some interesting choices, from a german/european point of view.
That "inflation" happened quite fast - in the first couple years - after the change to the €. And it was more a mental thing, than a real financial fact. Inflation rate has been about the same for the last 30 years or so. There only have been price differences for certain wares, which lead to the "feeling" that "everything now costs same same, just in € than in DM" which, when one checks the facts, isn't true generally.
With the average income in germany you can live at the same level as before the change.
Went to Southern Italy, the Amalfi Coast, a year ago. I stayed in St. Agata, just above Sorrento on the cliffs. I don't know how expensive it is for locals to live there. But, it was far cheaper staying just a few miles up the mountain than it was to stay down near the harbor. And, the views were stunning. It would definitely be near the very top of the list of places I'd love to retire to. Five of us went to a nearby farm / restaurant, La Grotelle. The restaurant owners came and picked us up in their own cars and brought us back to the villa. We had a five course meal including two bottles of wine. When we got the bill, I thought there was some mistake. The total for all five of us was $160. And, the food was fantastic.
LOL...you got me thinking about going back there when I can afford the time and money again. I loved Rome. But, I really LOVED the Amalfi Coast. Both there and in Greece on the isle of Santorini, are certainly getting close to Heaven on Earth. :) The difference is that staying in St. Agata on the Amalfi Coast is a bit less than half of what it costs to stay on Santorini. But believe me, it's not really a downgrade to go to St. Agata.
i remember when he pre-millendium dragon was selling here for 29$. price almost made me faint.
LOL, one of my friends in Switzerland that was from the Balkans offered to get me a Bulgarian passport. I declined, although I've want to visit since I was a school boy. Bulgaria is warm but not as warm in winter as coastal Oregon of course. As far as costs, well it is cheaper than USA but as they modernize they aren't in need of foreign cashflow as much.
There are German speaking communities in Romania still yet, that are mostly farmers, such as Mennonites and Amish I think if the same holds true for them as Germans in USA, Russia, Brazil, and elsewhere.
...my first thought was Croatia (Zagreb, Osijek) as I actually have some heritage there, but they get real winter as well (however the coast is beautiful). Unfortunately the rest of my heritage comes from countries with even colder winters: Russia, Poland, and Germany (the first two having....well..."issues" while latter being too expensive).
Check out Sardinia, too. lots of splendid beaches, very nice people and also - as long as you stay away from the Costa Smeralda (at the northeastern coast) which is probably the only really expensive touristic region on the island. For a first look, check what Anthony Bourdain has to say about Sardinia.