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  • StonemasonStonemason Posts: 1,223
    edited April 2018
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  • nonesuch00nonesuch00 Posts: 18,729

    We got one public bus that is painted deep green and brown that is embellished to look like an old fashioned street car but it is fake. Well we have it if it hasn't gone out of business as fast as it was put in business. They got it from another town nearby that tried it and decided they didn't have enough riders. It is good for folk that can't drive though as there wasn't any public transportation at all. It'd be different if they build a comprehensive set of sidewalks and bike trails but they didn't, although they still could if they wanted.

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,854
    Stonemason said:
    Just back from Chicago.those L trains looked so cool.got lots of inspiring reference photos to work from

    ...Urban Sprawl 4?

  • StonemasonStonemason Posts: 1,223
    edited April 2018
    Or The Streets of Chicago
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  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,854
    nonesuch00 said:

    We got one public bus that is painted deep green and brown that is embellished to look like an old fashioned street car but it is fake. Well we have it if it hasn't gone out of business as fast as it was put in business. They got it from another town nearby that tried it and decided they didn't have enough riders. It is good for folk that can't drive though as there wasn't any public transportation at all. It'd be different if they build a comprehensive set of sidewalks and bike trails but they didn't, although they still could if they wanted.

    ...we have one of those "faux trolleys" for sightseers.

    I prefer this one (see it a lot on my neighborhood)

    Wish we had one of these though....

     

  • nonesuch00nonesuch00 Posts: 18,729
    Stonemason said:
    Or The Streets of Chicago

    Me and my pal used to draw the John Hancock building often as preschoolers so I hope it's included. The Sears Tower though was only about 20 floors then but it must be near by because I remember passing it in a car. I look forward to seeing this set to see if it's a 2my neighborhood style of set" (S Albany - think the neighborhood of that the Fugitive movie with Harrison Ford that a chase seen was in) or weather it'll be really exciting with the John Hancock Building and a skyline! Maybe like the Bob Newhart Show?

  • DaWaterRatDaWaterRat Posts: 2,885
    Stonemason said:
    Or The Streets of Chicago

    You may well have heard my squee of delight all the way on the other side of the world. :)  Would that there had been a way to meet you and the other artists while you were visiting. (but I have a high school play to wrangle costumes for this weekend)

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,854
    Stonemason said:
    Or The Streets of Chicago

    ..even better.  Spent a lot of time in Chicago (lived in Milwaukee just to the north and spent many an afternoon and weekend there). 

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,854
    edited April 2018
    nonesuch00 said:
    Stonemason said:
    Or The Streets of Chicago

    Me and my pal used to draw the John Hancock building often as preschoolers so I hope it's included. The Sears Tower though was only about 20 floors then but it must be near by because I remember passing it in a car. I look forward to seeing this set to see if it's a 2my neighborhood style of set" (S Albany - think the neighborhood of that the Fugitive movie with Harrison Ford that a chase seen was in) or weather it'll be really exciting with the John Hancock Building and a skyline! Maybe like the Bob Newhart Show?

    ...I remember going to the observation floor in the Hancock Building many a time. For years it was like the third tallest building in the world next to the Empire State and Twin Towers in New York (pre sears Tower).

    Of course back in the 1890s this was once the tallest building in the country (Milwaukee City Hall)

    ...but all we had were streetcars and interurbans, no elevated railway.

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  • McGyverMcGyver Posts: 7,085
    edited April 2018

    If anyone is interested in this sort of thing, I found this site years ago...

    https://www.nycsubway.org/wiki/Main_Page

    It's a railfan site for the NYC subways, but they have some links to other transportation websites too... There are tons of photos there of cars and stations dating back to the early 1900s...  I've used a lot of the images as reference photos for an R33 "Redbird/Worlds Fair" car I've been working on, on and off for a while... It's very had to find good reference images of the working parts/undercarriage of subways, as they are below the platform and the only real way to photograph them is in the repair shop or yard.

    But, there is a section at this site that contains assorted shop images of the storage yards, maintenance vehicles, workshops and decommissioned cars being scrapped... There are even a few specification drawing prints for most of the cars... Though they just show the basic dimensions of the cars... Stuff like truck/bogie details, window dimensions and interior details are omitted.

    I actually had this image of the same kind of car (R140?) on my iPad... It's from the site... It shows nice details of the power truck from the R140.

     

    EDITED TO ADD: The images for workshops and storage yards can be found in the "Cars" section... Also I haven't looked at the "around the world" section in years, so I just checked if it's still there and there are a whole bunch of new countries added.

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  • nonesuch00nonesuch00 Posts: 18,729
    kyoto kid said:
    nonesuch00 said:
    Stonemason said:
    Or The Streets of Chicago

    Me and my pal used to draw the John Hancock building often as preschoolers so I hope it's included. The Sears Tower though was only about 20 floors then but it must be near by because I remember passing it in a car. I look forward to seeing this set to see if it's a 2my neighborhood style of set" (S Albany - think the neighborhood of that the Fugitive movie with Harrison Ford that a chase seen was in) or weather it'll be really exciting with the John Hancock Building and a skyline! Maybe like the Bob Newhart Show?

    ...I remember going to the observation floor in the Hancock Building many a time. For years it was like the third tallest building in the world next to the Empire State and Twin Towers in New York (pre sears Tower).

    Of course back in the 1890s this was once the tallest building in the country (Milwaukee City Hall)

    ...but all we had were streetcars and interurbans, no elevated railway.

    I was only in Milwaukee once, and only as a kid, but I want to make a vacation & go to Indiana Dunes then up the Lake Michigan coast Michigan finally taking a ferry to Milwaukee (which I was surprised to find even existed, multiple ferries!). We ever only drove by the John Hancock building just about everytime we went anywhere. With reminds me we went on a field trip to Midway Airport but I think StoneMason's set would throttle me computer if it has so much of Chicago in it.

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,854

    ...thinking of heading back there for a few weeks this summer and taking a side trip to Chicago. Unfortunately with my achy bone, inflexible joints, and poor circulation, I either have to take the train or fly first class as I don't look forward to sitting in a medieval torture device called an airline coach seat for several hours. Sadly the train (my preferred way) is very expensive (about 1,600$ RT) as it's several days and I need a sleeper compartment.  Meanwhile I can fly First for around

  • nonesuch00nonesuch00 Posts: 18,729
    edited April 2018
    kyoto kid said:

    ...thinking of heading back there for a few weeks this summer and taking a side trip to Chicago. Unfortunately with my achy bone, inflexible joints, and poor circulation, I either have to take the train or fly first class as I don't look forward to sitting in a medieval torture device called an airline coach seat for several hours. Sadly the train (my preferred way) is very expensive (about 1,600$ RT) as it's several days and I need a sleeper compartment.  Meanwhile I can fly First for around

    I just flew to Germany & India & back in March and it wasn't too uncomfortable but I don't have arthitis or such. I also fall asleep easily.

    One thing you can do, and it's only mildly embarrasssing, is if you are achy from sitting, just go stand for as much of the flight as allowed by the rules. I stood for something like an hour or hour and 1/2 on the flight to O'Hare from Munich. You'll need to get out of the way of the occasional steward or passenger but it is allowed.

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  • ALLIEKATBLUEALLIEKATBLUE Posts: 2,983
    Wonderland said:
    ALLIEKATBLUE said:

    I take the NYC subway everyday, none are on the street.  Also, we've come a long  way now that the trains are not quite as cuddy as this model, inside or out

    I grew up in Manhattan and rarely took the subway because they were so disgusting, full of pervs and scary as a young girl to go on alone.  But that subway station did bring back childhood memories of the few times I did take it. Looked pretty much how I remember it. Glad that they cleaned them up! 

    A lot has changed

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,854
    nonesuch00 said:
    kyoto kid said:

    ...thinking of heading back there for a few weeks this summer and taking a side trip to Chicago. Unfortunately with my achy bone, inflexible joints, and poor circulation, I either have to take the train or fly first class as I don't look forward to sitting in a medieval torture device called an airline coach seat for several hours. Sadly the train (my preferred way) is very expensive (about 1,600$ RT) as it's several days and I need a sleeper compartment.  Meanwhile I can fly First for around

    I just flew to Germany & India & back in March and it wasn't too uncomfortable but I don't have arthitis or such. I also fall asleep easily.

    One thing you can do, and it's only mildly embarrasssing, is if you are achy from sitting, just go stand for as much of the flight as allowed by the rules. I stood for something like an hour or hour and 1/2 on the flight to O'Hare from Munich. You'll need to get out of the way of the occasional steward or passenger but it is allowed.

    ...easy to do on a widebody but we rarely have those flying domestic routes these days as airlines keep downsizing.  I used to remember flying on DC-10s and even 747s between either the west or east coast and Midwest. Now just about every flight seems to be on is single aisle 737s or even those cramped RJs some which I have to duck down just to get down the aisle to my seat. That makes 800$ for first or even the 1,600$ for the train more reasonable.

    Also flying first, you pay no luggage fees, may actually get something to eat on along flight, priority boarding, as well as less of a hassle at security.

  • nonesuch00nonesuch00 Posts: 18,729
    kyoto kid said:
    nonesuch00 said:
    kyoto kid said:

    ...thinking of heading back there for a few weeks this summer and taking a side trip to Chicago. Unfortunately with my achy bone, inflexible joints, and poor circulation, I either have to take the train or fly first class as I don't look forward to sitting in a medieval torture device called an airline coach seat for several hours. Sadly the train (my preferred way) is very expensive (about 1,600$ RT) as it's several days and I need a sleeper compartment.  Meanwhile I can fly First for around

    I just flew to Germany & India & back in March and it wasn't too uncomfortable but I don't have arthitis or such. I also fall asleep easily.

    One thing you can do, and it's only mildly embarrasssing, is if you are achy from sitting, just go stand for as much of the flight as allowed by the rules. I stood for something like an hour or hour and 1/2 on the flight to O'Hare from Munich. You'll need to get out of the way of the occasional steward or passenger but it is allowed.

    ...easy to do on a widebody but we rarely have those flying domestic routes these days as airlines keep downsizing.  I used to remember flying on DC-10s and even 747s between either the west or east coast and Midwest. Now just about every flight seems to be on is single aisle 737s or even those cramped RJs some which I have to duck down just to get down the aisle to my seat. That makes 800$ for first or even the 1,600$ for the train more reasonable.

    Also flying first, you pay no luggage fees, may actually get something to eat on along flight, priority boarding, as well as less of a hassle at security.

    Hmmm, well my flight back & fort to Chicago from Lexington, KY was on I think CanadaJet CJ-7  or something like that but that was only a flight of 1 1/2 hours. Unfortunately it's been a long time since I flew domestically but it used to be 'Small City USA' to 'Far Away Big City' would be on a small plane to the nearest big city and then on a big plane to a the far away big city. I guess maybe not anymore. Sorry

    Wierd thing is I had to get my passport renewed by the state I live in is one of the few that don't meet the new driver's license secuity requirements so I will have to start using a passport to even fly domestically starting in 2020. 

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,854
    edited April 2018

    ...yeah I've flown since the 1960s and back then even regional flights were on "full sized" planes like Convair Metros (piston or turboprop version), Viscounts, DC-9s, and BAC 1-11s  Today a lot of those flights (and even some long ones) flights are on what I refer to as "bizjets on steroids" (sans the luxurious bizjet amenities that make up for the more claustrophobic cabin dimensions).  For example Air Canada has a flight from Portland to Toronto (about four and a half hours) on one of those Canidair CRJ 700s (which were derived form the old Canidair Challenger bizjet [below]). 

    In the old days that same flight would have been on one of these:

    ...and later one of these:

    As to ID, here in Oregon we are fortunate our state DLs and non driver IDs are compliant.  Our neighbor to the north (Washington State) has the same issue like where you live where people will need passports, a passport card, or military ID to fly.

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  • OstadanOstadan Posts: 1,130

    Stonemason said "inspiring reference photos".  Damn, time to start another savings account.

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,854

    ..wonder if it will be part of the "Loop" considering he mentioned it here.

    ...and if it will include part of Lower Wacker Drive.

     

  • sapatsapat Posts: 1,735
    DaWaterRat said:
    Joe Webb said:

    It's based on the old Chicago and New York subway cars. While I've been to Chicago I don't recall how much is underground; its the L as in eLevated trains. In Los Angeles the trains on the streets, in the center of freeways, elevated and in subways. Most of the trains are boxy like this one but a little big more modern looking. Lighter colored anyway.

    Blue and Red lines are more underground than not when you're in the city proper... those are the two I ride the most, because that will get this Suburbanite close to Water Tower, or out to Wrigley.  I used to take the Blue Line to work too. (Pink line is technically closer to my house, but Blue Line is simpler to get to)  Most of the others are elevated, but I think there are one or two more that have undeground sections.

    I lived not far from Chicago most of my life, and the elevated trains were mostly above ground, but they did have tunnels and go undergound at which time you were plunged into total and complete darkness.  Then you would literally see the light at the end of the tunnel.

  • StonemasonStonemason Posts: 1,223

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  • nonesuch00nonesuch00 Posts: 18,729

    very nice

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,854

    ...that is going to be a heck of a lot of work just on the "El" alone.

  • Silent WinterSilent Winter Posts: 3,875
    Stonemason said:

    smiley

    Do you ever take a holiday, even when you're on holiday? LOL

    I guess having a camera with you is par for the course anyway - every time I visit a new place I love to take pics of the architecture, dreaming I'll be able to make something like it one day.

  • StonemasonStonemason Posts: 1,223
    I did bring the camera but just ended up using the cellphone for all these pics..much easier than carrying around a bulky camera
  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,854
    edited April 2018

    ...pretty decent detail and clarity for a phone camera.  Mine wouldn't catch most of the small details or nuances.

    ...spent a fair amount of time in Chicago as I grew up in that boring city to the north known as Milwaukee (though it is a great source for old and derelict industrial buildings)

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  • Silent WinterSilent Winter Posts: 3,875
    Stonemason said:
    I did bring the camera but just ended up using the cellphone for all these pics..much easier than carrying around a bulky camera

    I guess that's all you need for reference shots.  Looking forward to seeing the next 'Streets of...'

  • Jason GalterioJason Galterio Posts: 2,562
    Jason Galterio said:
    DaWaterRat said:

    While most of the L trains around chicago run either in the subway, on their elevated tracks, there are a few places where they're street level. The Blue line runs parallel to 290 for a while (though there is a barrier between them) and I think it's the pink line than actually has a standard train crossing by one station not too far from my home.

    None of them have tracks that close to the street, though.

    And while the car is certainly... older... I remember riding in a few with similar configurations.  Though not for a very long time.

    And while Polish's subway car is great, this is closer to the shape and style I'm used to around here.

    Speaking of which...  I'd love to see an elevated (L) scene to go along with the train. That would really fit with some of Stonemason's Urban Sprawl models.

    I guess sometimes dreams (might) do come true. <fingers crossed>

    Thanks in advance, Stonemason!

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