Subway Car
Jason Galterio
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A little bit of good natured nit picking...
https://www.daz3d.com/subway-car
Does anyone else find the promo images a little off putting?
The SUBway car is on the street! My mind immediately thinks of all those hapless,distracted pedestrians, on their smart phones while walking... splattered all over the front of the lead car...
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Oh, and one thing that I forgot to add...
"Warriors, come out to play-i-ay!"
depending on where it is in the world, that is not unusual
I've never seen a real subway car on a street but trains or trams I have.
Bingo.
Trams are bulkier and having warning devices to make it easier to notice. They should be either self propelled or draw power from above.
Subway trains tend to be narrowier, stealthier, and, most importantly, draw power from a third rail. If memory serves, the third rail is usually raised on the far side of the tracks with a side connection sticking out from the train to draw power.
The interior of the train looks very realistic to what I remember in NYC.
One question I do have... Are there three material settings? Prestine, aged, and grafitti?
yeah, its called a subway becasue it runs under the street or ground. I suppose it could surface though, then its a street car, or train, or is that tram. everything is so confusing
I take the NYC subway everyday, none are on the street. Also, we've come a long way now that the trains are not quite as cruddy as this model, inside or out
While most of the L trains around chicago run either in the subway, on their elevated tracks, there are a few places where they're street level. The Blue line runs parallel to 290 for a while (though there is a barrier between them) and I think it's the pink line than actually has a standard train crossing by one station not too far from my home.
None of them have tracks that close to the street, though.
And while the car is certainly... older... I remember riding in a few with similar configurations. Though not for a very long time.
And while Polish's subway car is great, this is closer to the shape and style I'm used to around here.
I was just assuming the subway car could also be a normal train
certainly the ones I caught in places like Sydney and Melbourne a fair few years ago were one and the same train
Our Adelaide trains look like this
they have dedicated corridors but not all countries do
different textures it is not that different
Speaking of which... I'd love to see an elevated (L) scene to go along with the train. That would really fit with some of Stonemason's Urban Sprawl models.
About 40% of NYC's subway is above ground, but most of that ais elevated and/or away from roads.
I'd love to see Stonemason do a couple of settings in NYC:)
That's what they get for being tuned out in public on their electronic toys!
I can see the conductor now "Ralph, full speed ahead, there's another not paying attention!!.................SPLAT!"
i never get tired of this video of idiots not paying attention while on their phones. No subway cars, but a few vehicle misses
The ones falling into fountains are my favorites. No casualties in those except for the phone and the person's dignity.
The Yellow line (Skokie) actually has cars on the street like this. (Oakton-Skokie stop. Also, random picture; from the text on the page (second item down), it's from the Brown line, somewhere inside the city at Francisco). The various images show that the street-level trains don't have any sort of third rail or overhead power lines, but they're the same trains that run on the elevated tracks and in the subways; I wonder how they power themselves?
There's an old Poser product, the IN Elevated Subway at Renderosity, that has an elevated track segment.
I like the look of the new subway, but it looks like it may have the same issues as other subway cars -- the shell is all one piece, which means that it's misery to try to move around inside, and misery to try to render because it's a fully enclosed space. Section planes can take care of the rendering issue, but unless the shell and the interior are separate pieces -- and you can't tell from the promo images or product information -- there's nothing to make it easier to move around in.
...seems to me the onus is on the pedestrian to put the phone in the pocket and pay attention to his or her surroundings. As a pedestrian myself I've early been blindsided by people at walking form behind the corners of buildings with their attention focused on that little screen rather then where they were walking.
that aside, the bigger flaw I saw was lack of the third "hot" rail which is common for subway and elevated trains. Our LRT trams use overhead catenary for power similar to a streetcar so only one rail is "hot" but needs requires teh connection to the overhead line to complete the circuit. This of course would create an even more dangerous situation on a street level system than the risk of being hit as there is a lot of juice at high amperage going though that rail, and stepping on it would definitly be an "electrifying" experience.
Subway. Notice the darker "third" rail to the left side of the picture, that is the "hot" power rail. The cars have contact shoes that ride along that rail to provide power.
Street level LRT tram with overhead catenary.
The train in 3Digit's pic is a self propelled rail car which uses a petrol or diesel engine to generate the electric power needed to drive the wheels.
We also have a similar line on the west side.
...nice though felt bad about the women who fell into the sidewalk, vault that can be a ways down.
Definitely needs a third rail or a pantograph; all things considered, the third rail would be easier to fake.
As for being above ground - may years ago I was in London and took a train out to the Royal Air Force Museum; the trip started in an Underground station and went above ground on the outskirts of London.
...not uncommon.
The Milwaukee Ave line of the CTA (Chicago) starts as a subway then goes above ground all the way to O'Hare airport first emerging as the old elevated line along Milwaukee Ave and then down the median of the Kennedy Expressway.
Several of the L.A. Metro lines go both over and under ground. Quite a few use old rail right-of-ways, so are at street level, but not actually running down the middle of the street. Or, only to get from one right-of-way to another.
Some also use the overhead lines when above ground. There are third rails in the underground sections.
Nothing new under the sun. When the kaleidoscope was invented, people walked into cyclists and children walked into walls, too busy paying attention to their mobile devices and not their surroundings.
The Mass Transit system runs below and above ground (both on elevated tracks and at street level). In fact, I was riding one when a pedestrian tried to beat it in a crosswalk and the T won (the pedestrian only had minor injuries).
I'm much more bothered by that last promo picture, showing the subway train in the station with open door and there being a height difference of at least 30 cm (1 foot)... does nobody ever think about handicapped people in wheelchairs? Or mothers with their babies in one of those baby buggies?
Oh and most subway trains I've seen here in germany look quite different to the one from the set. Most of them are rather trams and in several cities they use rails/station underground and above.
...yeah this is based off of US subway cars.
Seattle's Link LRT runs underground in downtown, but still uses overhead catenary to provide power rather than a dangerous third rail.
It's based on the old Chicago and New York subway cars. While I've been to Chicago I don't recall how much is underground; its the L as in eLevated trains. In Los Angeles the trains on the streets, in the center of freeways, elevated and in subways. Most of the trains are boxy like this one but a little big more modern looking. Lighter colored anyway.
I grew up in Manhattan and rarely took the subway because they were so disgusting, full of pervs and scary as a young girl to go on alone. But that subway station did bring back childhood memories of the few times I did take it. Looked pretty much how I remember it. Glad that they cleaned them up!
You are correct about the Pink Line... it has a numerous street level stops. I cant think of too many other locations other than what you already mentioned where the Subway runs street level.
-MJ
Blue and Red lines are more underground than not when you're in the city proper... those are the two I ride the most, because that will get this Suburbanite close to Water Tower, or out to Wrigley. I used to take the Blue Line to work too. (Pink line is technically closer to my house, but Blue Line is simpler to get to) Most of the others are elevated, but I think there are one or two more that have undeground sections.
Here in the Bay Area we have VTA Light Rail (San Jose Area) and Bay Area Rapid Transit (everywhere else). In theory there's just 1 year to go before they link up in Milpitas.
BART is a 3rd rail system, while Light Rail is a catenary system. BART a full mix, with some underground (San Francisco and Oakland), some stretches elevated (El Cerrito & Richmond), and some ground level (east-east bay). Even at ground level though it's got a large fenced off area for itself - nowhere near the streets. It's also got a deep tunnel under the bay.
Light Rail is mostly ground level, and is frequently mixed in with street traffic. A few elevated or tunnel sections as needed.
Oh, and on the peninsula between San Jose area and San Francisco area, there's a commuter rail (passenger train) service. And San Francisco itself has a whole mess of transift types, including the iconic cable cars.
...my fave in San Francisco is Market Street Railroad. Riding the old streetcars and streamlined PCC cars brings back memories. There are also several streetcars they've acquired from other nations as well.
Heh-- Love the Budd RDC's in your last pic.. We used to run them up here as passenger service on branch lines.... Now the subway car in question - wrong trucks - those are freight car roller bearing trucks, not light rial traction motor trucks... and those couplers aren't going to couple anything... Here we have light rail - and it runs on one central street downtown,m that is closed to car traffic.. Outside of downtown its on a separate right of way...
...Yeah I noticed that about the trucks as well.
Tri Met got the RDCs from the Alaska Railroad to supplement service on the west side line. The other two train sets they have are newer but the company building them Colorado Railcar, went belly up and never quite completed the third train (which is now used for spare parts).
Here is one one of the newer ones:
Here are the Budd RDCs before being refurbished.
I actually like riding these more for the nostalgia sake.