Do known religious figures violate the TOS or such?

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  • agent unawaresagent unawares Posts: 3,513
    hphoenix said:
    Most of the monotheistic religions don't respond well to ridicule or blasphemy.  But most of the others seem to take it in stride.

    Look into this a little further if this is truly your belief. This is not a "monotheistic" thing.

  • hphoenixhphoenix Posts: 1,335
    scorpio said:
    hphoenix said:

    ....and cue indignant outrage the moment anyone posts an irreverent, sarcastic, or ironic render using such.  I have an idea right now.....a spoof on the Monty Python "bring out your dead" scene from the Holy Grail movie.  Instead of the old man not wanting to go on the cart, it's Jesus not wanting to go on the cross.

    And THIS is probably why they don't.  Most of the monotheistic religions don't respond well to ridicule or blasphemy.  But most of the others seem to take it in stride.

    Remember the problems from some political cartoons involving Mohommad just a few years ago?

     

    I remember the problems criticsm and indignation that 'Life of Brian' faced

    Monty Python had a history of poking fun at religion.  It featured prominently in ALL their big movies.  "The Meaning of Life" poked fun at Catholicism and Heaven, "Holy Grail" was all about poking fun at religious quests and archaic thinking, and "Life of Brian" took jabs at almost all elements of Christianity.

    Now imagine someone trying to make similar movies today, but about Muslim beliefs.  They'd never even reach the Theater.

  • Joe WebbJoe Webb Posts: 837
    hphoenix said:

    ....and cue indignant outrage the moment anyone posts an irreverent, sarcastic, or ironic render using such.  I have an idea right now.....a spoof on the Monty Python "bring out your dead" scene from the Holy Grail movie.  Instead of the old man not wanting to go on the cart, it's Jesus not wanting to go on the cross.

    And THIS is probably why they don't.  Most of the monotheistic religions don't respond well to ridicule or blasphemy.  But most of the others seem to take it in stride.

    Remember the problems from some political cartoons involving Mohommad just a few years ago?

    Well thats different. Its a specific article of faith for many not to make images of Mohammad. It's not ironic, it's purposeful blasemphy, But otherwise you're right, a character like a Jesus 8, outfitted with guns attacking whoever, is going to come out immediately. You can do it now, with Michael 8 in a robe. And in fact anyone can make any sort of offense imagry with available products. Basic TOS and good taste makes those harder to find - or at least I don't seek them out so have been sheltered from them, perhaps. Or just maybe those are rare because if you have the ability to produce such images, you might have the good sense and good taste not to.

     

  • Richard HaseltineRichard Haseltine Posts: 108,079

    This is getting off the question and into discussion about religion.

  • j cadej cade Posts: 2,310
    I've always wanted to do a render of Judith and Holofernes. Although that would *definitely* be TOS breaking, I'm a big fan of the Caravaggio and Gentileschi ones and they kind of have arcs of spurting blood. And the Klimt one has no blood but makes up for it with nudity

    Let's see... Maybe Salome insted? Jael and Sisera? ... Probably not ;) I could probably get away with St Sebastian if I keep the arrow wounds tasteful.
  • No one has mentioned that, should daz decide to do a series religious based figures, to be fair and in the spirit of religious freedom, Satan and friends should also be included in the series. Now there are certainly many demonic models (if that is your perception of what a Satan would look like), but none of them actually carry the name "Satan".

  • Griffin AvidGriffin Avid Posts: 3,817

    but none of them actually carry the name "Satan".

    Good, good point and we do have angels, not many but there were some!
    Wings seem to be the big draw.

  • FSMCDesignsFSMCDesigns Posts: 12,843

    I thnk a PA should make and sell what they want and forget political correctness. I am so tired of whiney, overly sensitive people who are to easily offended. If you don't want to use it, don't buy it. If you don't want to see it, don't look at it, problem solved. It's like the ridiculus complaints we get when someone doesn't like the theme of an addon character. Other than holidays, I wouldn't have much use for religious characters, but hove no issues with having them in the store.

  • Male-M3diaMale-M3dia Posts: 3,584
    edited April 2018

    I thnk a PA should make and sell what they want and forget political correctness.

    They already do.. look at all the swimsuits and sexy clothing that's spawned complaint threads about them. The money and the interest isn't there to make the clothing the OP stated.  In all my time as a PA, I've yet to see any other PA express an interest to make clothing like this beyond the greek/roman wear..

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  • SimonJMSimonJM Posts: 6,067
    edited April 2018

    "Over the years a meal that Sackboy attended with his mates, the 12 apostrophes, attracted mythic status due to a preponderance of typographocal errors and mistranslations ..."

    Originally done for @LlolaLane's monthly challeneg of a few years back, based on the number 12, but this topic suddenly reminded me of it:

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  • AnotherUserNameAnotherUserName Posts: 2,727
    edited April 2018
    SimonJM said:

    "Over the years a meal that Sackboy attended with his mates, the 12 apostrophes, attracted mythic status due to a preponderance of typographocal errors and mistranslations ..."

    Originally done for @LlolaLane's monthly challeneg of a few years back, based on the number 12, but this topic suddenly reminded me of it:

    LOL!!!

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  • JOdelJOdel Posts: 6,316

    Actually, I think Cybertenko does have a Jesus character for M4. He's certainly got a calvary hill.

  • Serene NightSerene Night Posts: 17,704

    Well there are presently 2 images of Christ being crucified in the gallery that I can see at a glance. One was pretty graphic with the gore and is in the banner bar.

  • AnotherUserNameAnotherUserName Posts: 2,727
    edited April 2018

    Well there are presently 2 images of Christ being crucified in the gallery that I can see at a glance. One was pretty graphic with the gore and is in the banner bar.

    Its not a whole lot more messy than one of my horror renders, less the more I think of it. I wonder what the official daz reaction will be when they get back to work. Will be interesting to see if it gets yanked. I like it, but if the artist wanted to gore him up like that, they shouldve put some dirt and sweat on him as well. Just my opinion.

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  • nonesuch00nonesuch00 Posts: 18,729

    I saw that render of the crucifix and while it's pretty good the blood is not distributed at all realistically and there is far too much of it too. I can't stand to have the crucifix part on my gold cross necklace, it is too upsetting.

    I think the renders popularity shows that there would be decent sized market for quality historical models of a Biblical nature, although I don't think those would outsell the babes in metal bikinis. It would meld together well with the Egyptian (and Asyrrian) theme(s) too. There is actually some old Biblical style clothing in the DAZ Store but that which I used doesn't dForce too well which is sort of a requirement for that style clothing. Maybe it could easily be made to serve as modern traditional Middle Eastern clothing among the monied folk too.

  • Serene NightSerene Night Posts: 17,704

    Any opinion of mine on this subject would get me censored I'm afraid. So I will abstain from comment.

  • nonesuch00nonesuch00 Posts: 18,729

    Any opinion of mine on this subject would get me censored I'm afraid. So I will abstain from comment.

    LOL, I've already started and deleted 2 comments of mine for this thread earlier today.

  • Actually, looks like they are already yanking renders. I saw another crucifiction render in the gallery that was of a more sarcastic nature. Gone.

  • Serene NightSerene Night Posts: 17,704

    Nope, this one is still there. Warning blood...and depiction of torture... https://www.daz3d.com/gallery/#images/551236/

  • nonesuch00nonesuch00 Posts: 18,729

    Nope, this one is still there. Warning blood...and depiction of torture... https://www.daz3d.com/gallery/#images/551236/

    Well that one isn't trolling to insult people like the other was said to, although it's disturbing none-the-less, in a truthful sense it is respectful to the actual history that occured and not intended to insult but to warn against the abuses of government against its citizens. They reenact the crucifixion part of the story in the Phillipines every Easter. That should probably be outlawed, actually it'd be a good guess to think current Phillipine law does outlaw it, but to be effective laws must be enforced.

  • ButchButch Posts: 800

    Any opinion of mine on this subject would get me censored I'm afraid. So I will abstain from comment.

    +1

    However, it may mean there'll be more male items available in the Daz shop. 

  • Serene NightSerene Night Posts: 17,704

    I thought the censored one was quite creative.... nothing offensive at all to me except the fact that it is now gone. 

  • j cadej cade Posts: 2,310

    I've just realized another advantage of religious art... generally CG babies are hella creepy, but in religious art that's just part of the genre!
     

     

    Sidenote, can I sneak boobs by the tos if they're growing out of the shoulder and look nothing like boobs?

  • Serene NightSerene Night Posts: 17,704
    edited April 2018

    The artists often didn’t  work with real children so infants often looked like small people. Art history was a fun course.

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  • j cadej cade Posts: 2,310

    The artists often didin't work with real children so infants often looked like small people. Art history was a fun course.

    Theres also some weird religious basis for super adult (abs!) Jesus too. Basically boiling down to since he's father, son, holy spirit and not normal baby he should look extra special, which means abs? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Not that there aren't a lot of weird babies but Jesus tends to be the tiny adultiest, and the only one who ever gets abs. (its especially common in medieval art which is more symbolic vs representational compared to, say, the Renaissance)

     

    And yes art history \was a fun couse for me too!

  • StezzaStezza Posts: 8,756

    my artistic interpretation of the easter bunny on a cross was yanked a couple of years ago as it apparently offended someone.. frown

  • j cadej cade Posts: 2,310
    edited April 2018
    Stezza said:

    my artistic interpretation of the easter bunny on a cross was yanked a couple of years ago as it apparently offended someone.. frown

    Maybe do the Eostre Bunny as Odin hanging itself on the tree of knowledge with the spear its stabbed itself with, I mean there's no Christian imagery in that so you should be good ;)  

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  • ItsCeoItsCeo Posts: 471

    @Simonjm - the 12 apostrophies made me laugh - thanks!

  • PetercatPetercat Posts: 2,321
    j cade said:

    I've just realized another advantage of religious art... generally CG babies are hella creepy, but in religious art that's just part of the genre!
     

     

    Sidenote, can I sneak boobs by the tos if they're growing out of the shoulder and look nothing like boobs?

    When I saw the eyes on that woman, my first thought was "Stewie looking suspicious"...
    And I'll bet that baby she's holding has the face of one of the artist's wealthy patrons.

  • agent unawaresagent unawares Posts: 3,513
    Petercat said:
    And I'll bet that baby she's holding has the face of one of the artist's wealthy patrons.

    Nothing like being immortalized forever as a terrifying child.

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