Do known religious figures violate the TOS or such?
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I was just wondering why there is no Jesus 8 figure. lol
You would think with the popularity of religious art, why Daz would not have religious figures and props and sets and such for every known ...religion and holiday, er, so to speak.
I would imagine the Twelve Disciples and Mary and Saint this guy and that would be really popular.
I mean, there could be a whole category for those themes.
Seems like they'd make a killing. They would do really well.
Buddha.
For "God" or Jesus you could have the Middle Eastern one that's brown and Europeans use the Blonde hair and blue eyes.
No, bad idea or against some kind of policy?
Thinking of it, I don't even see many thematic renders in the gallery.
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Can we get this stickied with the link where the TOS rules are?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9q2jNjOPdk
Forum ruules do not apply to the store - after all, most store characters come without painted on undies and some even have anatomical element textures, and products like the Severed Man sets and the various bloody bones or overlays would be quite tricky to use within the ToS.
I was curious if you meant posting about them, or them doing the posting ...
The OP is not actually talking about posting in the forums but is asking why DAZ 3D or a PA hasn't made a 'Jesus' 3D model.
There was a Buddha and a few of the affiliated dieties posted as 3D morphs for G3M last year in the freebies section of the DAZ forums for I don't think it's actually against forum rules until people start arguing about it. Also I have posted Madonna & Child renders and there is a multiplicity of other renders having to to with all sorts of religious, national, and international holiday. I also saw a render yesterday of the Christ on the cross in the DAZ galleries. I have also seen a crown of thorns and such related 3D models posted at shareCG.com although if it was posted in the DAZ forums as a freebie link I missed that.
I have seen a genesis 1 version of Jesus at various stores.... I think it may have ended up at content paradise? It had the cross and crown of thorns.... and a beard.... I also have seen Jesus images in the gallery so people are illustrating religious iconography. Just not too often.
Paganism is a religion too. There are a ton of pagan-related products in the store. As far as Christianity goes, I've always thought that Mech4D's Great Wizard looks a lot like the traditional depictions of God and have even used him as such before now.
So, would this be permissible?
I have certainly shared Christmas and Easter renders and animations many times on the forum
as long as they do not go against the TOS showing nudity, blood and violence which Jesus on the cross might if not watered down
is like anything use your common sense in what you depict, same with politicians etc you cannot push a viewpoint but I dare say just a portrait of one with no personal biases would be OK
Given the long, long, long history of depicting Jesus in art, I doubt there'd be any real issue with a Jesus figure. Mohammed 8, on the other hand, would just be asking for trouble.
I thought Jesus on the cross was allowed. I seem to remember seeing that as an exception to the torture clause but maybe I’m worong.
So now that makes it even more baffling. You CAN make figures....I mean we see demonic worship stuff to no end.....
I was just wondering if there was some official reasoning for their EXACT omission.
Since no, maybe it's just popularity or no one thought of it till ...just now...
We have/had so many requests for Biblic (citizens and armies) garb, it just seems to follow.
Wouldn't showing such a bias be asking for trouble?
well Ganesh is in the store for example too
Muslims generally do not approve of images of people, animals etc in art hence the patterns used in their artwork instead
whereas Christianity has had as said a long association with art and it's symbols particulary crosses are found in many products in the store too
if not combined with preaching, pushing a view it would not go against the TOS the problem is many cannot leave it at that
We seem to have such trouble remaining civil while speaking of Poser and such, imagine the exponential butthurt when someone dismissively or derisively speaks of a creed.
Personally I don't see the need, dial spin pick a beard and hair and you can get the vision you want not some else's vision.
An exception to the torture rule?
Im not certain that I agree with that exception. Why would one form of turture be acceptable over another?
As a Catholic who just finished up a pic of St Francis of Assisi using Midnight Stories DForce Monk with MFD as an underskirt, I am totally not interested in "official" Daz interpretations of religious figures as characters. Give me reasonable-looking skins for Mediterranean and other ethnicities, and some Middle Eastern clothes and sets, and the appropriate medieval to mid-20th c religious clothes, and I'll do my own thanks.
A significant fraction of the buyers would use such official characters in a controversial way, which would annoy those of us that care and make it difficult for Daz to police the forums. I know I've seen Christian themed Poser freebies on the web where the creator asked that the downloaders use in a respectful way. And oh, btw, since Islam also takes an interest in Jesus and Abraham, everything hinted at above with the "Mohammed 8" joke also applies.
Personally I don't see the need, dial spin pick a beard and hair and you can get the vision you want not some else's vision.
So, then why are we buying figures/characters instead of morphs in the store?
Why is there a hundred page (I'm exaggerating) thread about Victoria 8's looks? Aside from the direction Daz took, also every nuance about her appearance.....
Man, every People product here is someone else's vision.
Until you buy it and do what you will.
I just think it would open up a new category and in reverse, you could buy a 7th disciple garb outfit and kit bash it to whatever- or take ANY well created character and do exactly that, spin it to your direction.
We sell a D-force Monk's robe, why not a Dforce Biblical robe?
Why not a ten commandments prop?
A parting-red sea prop? etc.....
All those things can be used just as well as the kit bash Mad Max desert wasteland or Aladdin Bazaar....same idea....
If it really would be a can of worms than yeah, skip this idea.
I guess there's nothing controversial about demons and pagan gods....human-animal hybrids, etc....
There used to be a vendor over on Rendo callsed something like Pappy 411 who rather specialized in religious-appropriate props, outfits and some figures. They were all Poser figures, quite a few of the outfits were Poser dynamic (which have me regretting that I didn't pick some of them up on spec given that a lot of Poser dynamic items evidently work just fine in dForce).
The store is gone now, which is a very great pity, because even though pretty much all the static props needed to be resized, they were rather well made and filled a definite niche.
Just make those things yourself and submit them to the DAZ Store for sale as a PA. There are actually lots of stories and environments in the Bible, like the woman that gave her last two scheckels at tythe, the parting of the Red Sea, Jesus walking on water, Samson & Delilah, Daniel & the Lion's Den, the Burning Bush, the loaves of bread, and on & on. You'd be busy for a long time is that niche were fruitful.
There are representations of Egyptian Gods & Godesses in the DAZ Store so I think the only motive is whether the PA & DAZ 3D think they will profit. Egyptian Gods & Godesses cool! Many sales! Biblical Characters uncool! Few sales! They could be wrong but no one has really tried to fill the niche to know. It's already known that attractive women in bikini armor with a sword and accompanied by a large meat eating animal is the best sales theme.
Ooooh I would get a Samson figure.
Most of us do enjoy creating our own characters and do buy a lot of morphs to make our own characters. I rarely use a character as is, except to test it (and Minto!) There is no one set look for religious figures, I'm sure if you add Ollie to some characters you could come up with characters similar to what you are looking for. Throughout history, artists have depicted religious figures in a variety of different ways, so why not use those dials and your imagination? Personally I would prefer political figures for satirical art but I guess that could be done with FaceGen, and I don't think the images could be posted here...
To me, the Biblical-era clothing falls under the broader category of accurate historical clothing. It's often hard to find realistic contemporary clothing, let alone historical clothing, for many characters within the store here.
I will grant that there is a market for Biblical costumes and props. After all, there is a real-world niche market in the USA for Christian-themed movies that are released by smaller production companies. The ability to create CG artwork with themes would probably be welcomed by many who teach Sunday School, for example.
I think in my town the Christian themed book store is the only one not struggling to stay in business.
The problem with a specific Jesus or various saints figure is that not everyone (who would buy it) would agree on the looks. Just look at all that religious art: Jesus looks very different from one painting to the next. Saints look like wealthy patrons. Frankly any character can be used as Jesus.
A better set would be props needed to make a Biblical scene. The cross, nails, crown of thorns. Elements along the stations. Outfits.
While there are lots of “pagan” images represented, you can certainly argue these are fantasy or Dungeons and Dragons characters.
What you don’t see are specific Hindu deities. With notable exceptions, you don’t see religious figures specifically modeled. You do see characters that can be used as such. If you so choose.
Supportive item sets might sell, but just natural tastes mean specifically modeling a religious figure won’t work. And likely be controversial.
....and cue indignant outrage the moment anyone posts an irreverent, sarcastic, or ironic render using such. I have an idea right now.....a spoof on the Monty Python "bring out your dead" scene from the Holy Grail movie. Instead of the old man not wanting to go on the cart, it's Jesus not wanting to go on the cross.
And THIS is probably why they don't. Most of the monotheistic religions don't respond well to ridicule or blasphemy. But most of the others seem to take it in stride.
Remember the problems from some political cartoons involving Mohommad just a few years ago?
I remember the problems criticsm and indignation that 'Life of Brian' faced