Vini Bonus item - hair or not?
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I love all the promos for Vini because they show him with nice hair on his arms and legs. Does he come with this? I don't see it listed in the notes. And if not, why do they keep showing promos of characters here with options that aren't part of the product? If the charcter doesn't have hairy arms and legs, then don't add it in several of his promos. It's like bait and switch.
Anyway, if anyone knows for sure, would appreciate help figuring it out. Thx.
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No hair included... http://docs.daz3d.com/doku.php/public/read_me/index/51231/start
It's Oh My Body Hair by @Redz over on Renderosity. I'd recognize that anywhere.
i bought it, but I agree that the promos should be what you are actually getting .. nothing added to the main character that is not there ... all clothing, accessories, etc should be avialbale here at DAZ, no where else ..nothing custom as far as morphs, hair, etc.
Just submitted a ticket stating this. its something that has bothered me for a long time
I'm OK with things not being available on DAZ, and I'm OK with the standard non-included things being portrayed. But since characters do sometimes come with body hair, or at least the hair on the textures themselves, a disclaimer on any promo picture that shows otherwise should be included, at the very least.
Limiting vendors to only using items available at daz would be stifiling their creativity and that of the people who make the promos if it's not the vendor themselves, IMO. I don't mind things being shown in the promos that are available at other stores. After all, it's not like the daz store has every possible thing that a 3d artist might want to use in an image. Especially when it comes to things for male figures.
That's so sad. I mean I own Redz body hair, but even though they can't mention the 'other' store on the page, they could at least say "body hair not included". It can't hurt to just say that much. I don't care how creative they get, but a prominent feature like body hair used in nearly every promo is exciting since all I ever see here are hairless men or men with such sparse bits of chest hair it's barely visible. To think he had hair I was stoked. But c'est la vie.
I have to say that I agree in this particular case. Body and facial hair are things that are normally part of the base texture, with many sets coming with both hairy and non hairy versions. Head hair and clothing are things that people don't expect to come with a character, so it's less of an issue, just as people don't expect human characters or vehciles to come with sets, or hair to come with a character. But when body hair, facial hair and tattoos are shown in a promotional image it's not unreasonable to assume that they come with an item, so there really ought to be a disclaimer if they're not included.
I agree too, I think promos should show ONLY what comes with the character, no extra tattoos, body/face hair, piercings... Hair on head and clothes are OK but there should be a disclaimer that they are not included and show links to products in the store. And I also think only Daz products should be used in promos here, and Renderosity or Hivewire products used in promos for those stores. Vendors are creative enough that they can limit their use to products from the store they're selling from in their promos. And I'm sure the stores don't like venders using products in promos from competing stores.
I think if body hair is used it should be included. There are packages which sell figures with hair and lets face it body hair ads a lot of realism. You can’t claim your product has hair by promoting it with bodyhair when it’s not included.
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At the very least, if Daz doesn't allow a vendor to say "hair available at Renderosity" et al, then it should be mandatory to list which items used in the promos are not included. I don't care that it's "too much work" for the vendor, and no, not "everyone" knows there are other places out there besides Daz. I know of Rotica, Rosity, and ShareCG, and I've been doing this for over 20 years. I only found out about ShareCG 3 years ago, and I went there only once to search for Daz and Poser related content and found a jungle.
I don't go to DeviantArt, much less expect to find content there.
So no, not "everyone" knows about "all" the various shops and places to get Daz-ready stuff. This is all still very much a closed-off little club in a lot of respects, just like it was back during the Forum Wars.
Unless the files in the product are not correctly organized (which IME is rare with files from e.g. Rendo) it's very simple really - just unzip so the runtime folder "overwrites" the runtime folder in the library.
Ugh. No, don't even think about it. I used to do that and discovered the hard way that Rendo has way too many vendors who like to put zip files inside of zip files and sometimes zip files inside of those, mispell product folder names or do things like put supplementals files for ds users in standalone folders, etc. It's a total PITA, but the only way to be safe and keep your runtimes from being filled up with "aminal" and "pro p" folders and bad references is to extract to a separate folder and then move the files to the correct folders manually.
I've been around a long time too ..since Rendo wasn;t even Rendo yet, nor was DAZ ..stores come and go, and I find out new ones all the time. I think it near impossible for a new user to know there are even any other stores, at least for awhile, and if they do not frequent the foruns or do web searches, they will never know. I just found out a guy I know in real life was a Poser user and he had no idea there was even products avaialble for it. He was using stock figures. There are only a handful of big stores now though, and it shouldn't really be that much more trouble for a vender to list what is used, and to be totally clear as what comes in their package, and what doesn't. That would amount to some standardization at least in advertising.
Many Daz vendors do the same things, with inconsistent naming of folders, such as: texture/textures, environment/environments, landscape/landscapes and many more examples that I have to fix myself.
I'd rather see new things and see what other places have to offer.
I just looked at my runtime/textures folder for Daz products yesterday, and there was a folder for "The Janitor's Closet" under runtime/texture instead of textures. It's happened before too. Fortunately for me I know how to work with files and I can do a global search/replace to fix it, but others may not.
But I still stand by my original statement that if body hair is that noticeable on a figure, and it's not included, then just casually mention in the Notes.. 'body hair not included'. The 'other' store has many vendors who have disclaimers right on their promos that say 'character, outfit and hair not included' when selling poses and prop sets, and similar wording on other types of sets, so it seems like they could add it in a note here.
Unmentioned body hair notwithstanding, Vini is a great-looking, distinctive male morph in a sea (OK, puddle) of ho-hums. In fact, as an owner and user of all of JavierMichael's male characters (except his first DO offering), I find him to be my favorite maker of male models, especially now that GypsyAngel has gone on extended hiatus. Each of them has a unique look, and if you don't like the character's appearance, it's usually the promos not doing them justice or no promos without facial hair (another lapse of anal retentive judgment).
Daz is an enemy of standardization. They refuse to have an English writer proofread the Details and What's Included sections of product pages. So, I don't think we are going to get them to concede on this point.
For me bodyhair hides the look of the character too much.
I look at the promos and the product description and its all clear to me as to whats included. Its clearly listed.
I agree I quite like Javier’s figure and content. I definitely will be picking up Vini. Javier is also a really good artist. I’ve seen some of his work and he’s quite talented.
Just gonna put it out there, in order to tell weather something is included or not, take a moment to review the What's Included and Features, that will tell you exactly what the model comes with, if there is no fibermesh this or that, then its not in the product ;). Hope that will help you next time you are curious :D
I am so glad you said this.... Out of the thousands of products, I have purchased in the Daz3d store, perhaps 2 or 3 had a discrepency between what what was included in the What's Included and Features vs what was in the product. Ecellent product too!
I got me Vini today (third male figure after Old Chap and the Orc Brute) which shows that I liked his promo picture. And now I must admit, that I'm quite happy that he doesnt have body hair. If it was just a texture, it probably wouldn't be looking too well, and if it's fibre mesh it might stick out through closing... at least that's what my experience with the body hair from https://www.daz3d.com/hair-set-for-genesis-8-male-s seems to show me. And of course I can use that set when I want him to show some hairy meat.
There's also the monetary factor... Vini did cost me $ 4.99 (with the needed item from one of todays featured PAs), so at least for me there's no reason for any complaints.
He came with the facial hair, but not the other body hair. For less than $4 I think he looks great. Here I blended him with Kaleb for Edward face shapes.