March Madness ain’t. . .

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  • maikdeckermaikdecker Posts: 3,037
    Illucid said:
    As a relative new comer to this, it is hard to decide just what to buy. I don't have a bunch of legacy products directing me one way or the other. The Alexandra and Edward bundles looked tempting, but some of the content would be G3 some would be G8 I have some basic morphs for G8 that won't work with V7. Suddenly I'm looking at rebuying those morphs for G3. The older stuff (G2 and earlier), has attractive prices, but once I buy it, I have to either invest into an older base model or invest in compatibility products to get it working on G8. Then there is the whole IRay vs. 3DL decision. Buying a shader mixer or lighting set becomes a choice of what graphics card I see my next computer having.

    Just a reminder: You do not have to buy everything, as there is a lot of stuff around in the form of freebies. Iray shaders, morphs for Genesis 1 to 8 males and females, even a script to make G1 poses usable for all (!) other generations (by going up the ladder G -> G2 -> G3 -> G8 and some small manual adjustments for arms/hands) and many, many more things.

    Here on the forum you will be usually pointed to solutions from the DAZ shop, though. Not sure why that is so, but its easy to get used to it.

     

  • L'AdairL'Adair Posts: 9,479
    Illucid said:
    As a relative new comer to this, it is hard to decide just what to buy. I don't have a bunch of legacy products directing me one way or the other. The Alexandra and Edward bundles looked tempting, but some of the content would be G3 some would be G8 I have some basic morphs for G8 that won't work with V7. Suddenly I'm looking at rebuying those morphs for G3. The older stuff (G2 and earlier), has attractive prices, but once I buy it, I have to either invest into an older base model or invest in compatibility products to get it working on G8. Then there is the whole IRay vs. 3DL decision. Buying a shader mixer or lighting set becomes a choice of what graphics card I see my next computer having.

    None of the products in Edward 8 or Alexandra 8 require G3. These are products where the vendor is supporting both generations, but if you're just getting started and have only bought Genesis 8 products, you do not need to buy anything for G3 to use products with both G3 and G8 in the name. Similarly, if the latest generation of characters/figures you've purchase is G3, you do not have to purchase anything G8 to use these products, either.

    And if you go looking, you can find a lot of information in the forums about using G3 wardrobe and hair on G8, and vice-versa. It isn't always easy, but if you take the time to do some of these, your understanding of Daz Studio will probably grow by leaps and bounds. I know it was true for me.

    Regardless, if you stick with one generation or the other, you do not need to rebuy all the morphs for multiple generations. And if you do want to use more than one generation, just be patient. A lot of those morph products will go on sale. If they are Daz Originals, (where Daz is one of the vendors,) the discounts can be very deep from time to time.

  • scorpioscorpio Posts: 8,533
    th3Digit said:

    I have utterly no idea what these bonus items are people refer to and how they get them.

    I am guessing one needs to be PC+ which I no longer am.

    No, it's if you've bought something new, I think, in the last three days then an item shows up on the March Madness page and it's 70% off in your cart.

    Well sometimes, when I bought something I didn't see anything offered to me as a bonus, this is actually putting me off buyin as I feel I may be missing out on a low price on something that I probably don't want anyway. This is a really odd way to offer an incentive to buy - so hidden and unclear.

  • Patrick TynerPatrick Tyner Posts: 640
    edited March 2018
    BornTechy said:

     

    Yepp, that's one of the main reasons for me to keep my money in my pocket, too.

    And for me there's little logic behind an offer, which asks me to spend (for example) $ 25.- on two items to get a $ 2.50 reduction on the price of another one. Especially, when none of the items eligible to produce said reduction is of any vital interest to me. Even the offer to get one of those "Pro Packages" for free - which usually is a great offer, as long as one only looks at the relative price reduction - usually doesn't trigger my buying interest, as these Pro Packages usually also come with way to much "stuffers" in them, that I have no need for. So getting stuff for free that I don't need isn't a motivation to buy, either... Damn, I'm such a special snowflake...

    Considering the number of posts here in the forum that say "that will be an instant buy when it comes out" even for extremely specialised items the ordinary user probably will never have any need to use, many customers here seem to have an awfully big amount of money available to spend on something, that for others is only a hobby. That's good for DAZ, but less good for the hobbyists with limited financial resources.

    So I guess DAZ is doing well with it's sales politics. And my money goes elsewhere...

     

    I'm with you on this.  I really wanted the Alexandra Base Figure, but wait.  If I buy the pro bundle I get can choose three other legacy pro bundles for free!  All but one of the free pro bundles were stuffed with filler content I really wasn't interested in. So now I'm spending close to 60 bucks for a total of four base characters (only one I really wanted) and a few other outfits and and such that I have only a mild interest in.  Way too expensive to achieve my original goal. But wait, I can lower the cost of the Alexandra pro bundle by purchasing 3 additional add-ons for her.  A few of these texture add-ons I was slightly interested in.  Total cost of this venture is now up to almost 70 bucks.  While it seems as if I'm getting a ton of stuff for a very good price and I am if I do the math.  The problem is that the vast majority of that stuff I'm only slightly interested in so It's not a good value for me personally.  Enough torment for one night, clear cart.  Then I fire up studio and remind myself of all of the great content I already own and begin again to think about ways to use it.  smiley

     

    Actually this round both Edward and Alexandra required you to purchase additional released items to unlock access free pro-packs. It also lowers the price of their pack frm $64 to 46 but ended up being around $76.
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  • BornTechy said:

     

    Yepp, that's one of the main reasons for me to keep my money in my pocket, too.

    And for me there's little logic behind an offer, which asks me to spend (for example) $ 25.- on two items to get a $ 2.50 reduction on the price of another one. Especially, when none of the items eligible to produce said reduction is of any vital interest to me. Even the offer to get one of those "Pro Packages" for free - which usually is a great offer, as long as one only looks at the relative price reduction - usually doesn't trigger my buying interest, as these Pro Packages usually also come with way to much "stuffers" in them, that I have no need for. So getting stuff for free that I don't need isn't a motivation to buy, either... Damn, I'm such a special snowflake...

    Considering the number of posts here in the forum that say "that will be an instant buy when it comes out" even for extremely specialised items the ordinary user probably will never have any need to use, many customers here seem to have an awfully big amount of money available to spend on something, that for others is only a hobby. That's good for DAZ, but less good for the hobbyists with limited financial resources.

    So I guess DAZ is doing well with it's sales politics. And my money goes elsewhere...

     

    I'm with you on this.  I really wanted the Alexandra Base Figure, but wait.  If I buy the pro bundle I get can choose three other legacy pro bundles for free!  All but one of the free pro bundles were stuffed with filler content I really wasn't interested in. So now I'm spending close to 60 bucks for a total of four base characters (only one I really wanted) and a few other outfits and and such that I have only a mild interest in.  Way too expensive to achieve my original goal. But wait, I can lower the cost of the Alexandra pro bundle by purchasing 3 additional add-ons for her.  A few of these texture add-ons I was slightly interested in.  Total cost of this venture is now up to almost 70 bucks.  While it seems as if I'm getting a ton of stuff for a very good price and I am if I do the math.  The problem is that the vast majority of that stuff I'm only slightly interested in so It's not a good value for me personally.  Enough torment for one night, clear cart.  Then I fire up studio and remind myself of all of the great content I already own and begin again to think about ways to use it.  smiley

     

     

    Actually this round both Edward and Alexandra required you to purchase additional released items to unlock access free pro-packs. It also lowers the price of their pack frm $64 to 46 but ended up being around $76.

     

    I must have chosen different add-ons then you or maybe it was PC, my numbers were slightly lower as I originally indicated.

  • when I got both the Alendra and Edward pro bundles with the three add ons and freebies in some versions I was able to get it under the prices of the pro bundles if I wanted to but there were some addons I decided liked more that cost more and I grabbed a lot of extras too but if you picked 3 items that were priced $7 something can't remember exact price these also got for some of us an extra discount and worked out less than the pro bundle on its own, there were some discounts on top of discounts on top of discounts as well as being a pc member think too

  • Color me, unimpressed...

    ...grey. i suppose that would be grey.

  • MollytabbyMollytabby Posts: 1,163
    Mattymanx said:
    AllenArt said:
    Illucid said:

    As a relative new comer to this, it is hard to decide just what to buy. I don't have a bunch of legacy products directing me one way or the other. The Alexandra and Edward bundles looked tempting, but some of the content would be G3 some would be G8 I have some basic morphs for G8 that won't work with V7. Suddenly I'm looking at rebuying those morphs for G3. The older stuff (G2 and earlier), has attractive prices, but once I buy it, I have to either invest into an older base model or invest in compatibility products to get it working on G8. Then there is the whole IRay vs. 3DL decision. Buying a shader mixer or lighting set becomes a choice of what graphics card I see my next computer having.

     

    With the exception of shoes, most clothing and hair for earlier generations works fine on the next generation of the Genesis figure line. I use Genesis 2 clothes on Genesis 8 quite frequently. There are drawbacks to this: Autofit, while it works well, strips out bones with custom names and so some controls may be missing when fitting things like capes and dresses to newer figures. There are however, templates for sale in the store that adds back some custom bones so that not all functionality is lost after autofit.

    Laurie

     

    Between G3 and & G8, this works best - https://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/comment/3377151/#Comment_3377151

    There is still some distortion in the shoes/boots but not to the same degree as autofit creates.

    Thank you for this smiley

  • I like to think I'm a special snowflake, too, but I still buy a lot less at Hivewire and part of it is because the stuff goes on Big Sale less often, even if I can get similar prices using their own discounting scheme. The whole 'Limited Time BIg Sale' thing does add a time pressure, especially for non-neccessaries, and that time pressure provides a 'buying excuse' that just isn't there with an optional thing always on moderate low pricing. Stuff you get at Walmart, and in general clothing, only really counts if you buy clothes for fun, or you bargain shop for fun.

    And learning to resist sales is an acquired skill. If you're old, perhaps you've long since acquired it. People at Daz eventually acquire at least partial immunity too, although it's generally phrased as "this sale isn't good enough" (or see the general sales thread title theme). People on a punishing budget definitely acquire it. But that doesn't make it less of an extremely proven sales tactic.

    Buy the animals and stuff from HW at Rendo during one of their sales. And frankly, the only thing HW has going for it are its animals, both Horse/Cat/Dog and Nature's Wonders/SongBird ReMix.

    I may have my issues with Rendo, particularly with how their sales are often structured, but they are the only place that has non-hardcore same-sex couple poses that actually look natural, and there's some pretty unique characters there. Not to mention environments that do work in DS (despite being native to Poser) with a little elbow grease.

    But yeah, count me in with the overall disappointment with MM so far this year. Even if I wasn't going on a trip, I'd probably still be disinclined to buy anything, outside of the handful of items I've gotten so far (Shangrila, the G8 Clones for G3, and the Archeological dig site). I get it's still early in the month and things could change. But that doesn't stop me from feeling a little disappointed with the way things are going right now. Maybe offering more PC+ items within the sale could help for those of us who are on tight budgets this month, I dunno.

  • davesodaveso Posts: 7,839

    yeah. what he/she said

  • So far, MM has been really focused on promoting the sale of PA new releases which is not enough to really entice some major purchasing.  I would have loved to take advantage of yesterday's PC flash sale but there was no new release I needed or really wanted so the buy-in on the sale was a minimum of $8.  The vast majority of my wishlist right now is DAZ originals and PC and MM has not really provided discounts that can move these items to my cart as yet.  And the PAs that I have wishlisted (Luhbel and valzheimer to name a couple) aren't participating.  I was hoping that MM would be similar to the fall PA and PC Anniversary sales but it's more akin to DAZ''s normal day to day promotions.

  • davesodaveso Posts: 7,839

    and if there is nothing that needs to be in the cart from new releases, and you dont buy anything in 3 days, you dont get a chance to buy the bonus stuff either. it doesn't even show up to make you want to buy something. 
    totally weird goings on here at DAZ March Madness. 

  • maikdeckermaikdecker Posts: 3,037

    With that PC+ Flash Sale DAZ finally got me... after some sharp calculation I went platinum and then managed to grab some stuff that really will be useful.

     

    And it is very interesting to see what great difference it makes if one has PC+ running. I think DAZ should give a bit more information about the advantages - like, in the case of those PC+ items for $ 1.99 showing them to the public, like they do it at Rendo. That would probably get a couple more newbies like me to get the PC+ bonus.

    Quite a few items I did not have on my radar, as they seemed way too overpriced for my budget showed up for $ 1.99 or $ 2.99 which made them (near) instant buys for me (or at least in the near future).

  • mcorrmcorr Posts: 1,104
    edited March 2018

    Seems to me that most of the prices in March Madness, just dropped the new items down to the normal new sale prices from six months ago.  Prices have gone up several dollars per item from what I can see.  I don't begrudge the vendors a pay raise, I am sure they totally deserve it.  But its just not what I would call a Madness sale.

    I agree ... I have also noticed almost across the board price increases, so I buy much less, or wait till the item is no longer "new" and finds it's way into some "65% off" or something category. It does require patience and willingness to forgo, but it can pay off bigly.

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  • mcorrmcorr Posts: 1,104
    edited March 2018
    I am a special snowflake... german, old and seeing advertisement only as a way to amuse me, but not as something to give me information about what's the best to buy...

    What counts in the end - for me, personally - is that my money stays where it is when the offer doesn't fit my needs/budget/etc.

    just curious, is this a self compliment, or meant derisively in a self-deprecatory way? Know many Germans, but none that refer to themselves as special, nor as being a "snowflake."

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  • mcorrmcorr Posts: 1,104

    And learning to resist sales is an acquired skill. If you're old, perhaps you've long since acquired it. People at Daz eventually acquire at least partial immunity too, although it's generally phrased as "this sale isn't good enough" (or see the general sales thread title theme). People on a punishing budget definitely acquire it. But that doesn't make it less of an extremely proven sales tactic.

    I would concur =)

  • mcorrmcorr Posts: 1,104
    mmalbert said:
    What puts me off about the current sale is how it's structured: To participate in any way, I'd have to buy something I don't want or need. Just not a big fan of that kind of sale and so I don't participate much.

    Definitely. DAZ is loosing my money, in large part, baecause I refuse to buy content creators making things I don't need. That's a loosing strategy with me at this point.

  • mcorrmcorr Posts: 1,104

    I would have loved to take advantage of yesterday's PC flash sale but there was no new release I needed or really wanted so the buy-in on the sale was a minimum of $8. 

    Zero for me during preactically the entire sale period. I often get the feeling that was is on sale is stuff that's not moving well.

  • donovancolbertdonovancolbert Posts: 1,421

    The qualifying content has to be cheap... and they haven't been yet. 

    I've been spending more at the other stores. Always happens when the DAZ sales start slow. Then I build up points over there, which encourages me to buy more before my points expire. 

    Which is what they're trying to do here with the secret bonus items (which have been unexciting). 

    So yeah... the increased prices and less dramatic discounts are a risky proposition. 

  • mcorr said:
    mmalbert said:
    What puts me off about the current sale is how it's structured: To participate in any way, I'd have to buy something I don't want or need. Just not a big fan of that kind of sale and so I don't participate much.

    Definitely. DAZ is loosing my money, in large part, baecause I refuse to buy content creators making things I don't need. That's a loosing strategy with me at this point.

    It almost sounds like you want PAs to make things that they know don't sell as well just so you have something to buy.
  • maikdeckermaikdecker Posts: 3,037
    mcorr said:
    I am a special snowflake... german, old and seeing advertisement only as a way to amuse me, but not as something to give me information about what's the best to buy...

    just curious, is this a self compliment, or meant derisively in a self-deprecatory way? Know many Germans, but none that refer to themselves as special, nor as being a "snowflake."

    It's a fact... so it's neither a self compliment nor is it self-deprecatory. I am a 57 year old german, who has no interest whatsoever in football - what americans call "soccer", but I really like american football. I don't own a smartphone, as I don't have any uses for it. I like japanese comics and comics by a gay german artist about his life and gay culture in germany, even though I'm utterly hetero. When I meet with my wife's relatives and her/their friends, I usually find nothing to talk about, except cooking, as none of our other interests are even marginally on the same level.

    And considering how marketing strategies seem to work on the masses, but they (usually) utterly fail to work with me, I do feel that I'm probably different than most other people, who consider themselves as "normal", which, logically, makes me the one not being within the norm = a special snowflake.

    And if you have not yet met a german who defines himself as "special" you might have just not met the right germans, than. Quite a few of us are very proud of not being "normal". It's usually expressed by assembling with other people who aren't "normal" either and to wear the same clothes as them and say the same things and think the same thoughts... in the end they often start a political party or at least a "Verein" (club/association/organization/society) where they can be all not "normal" together. 

    The largest percentage of not "normal" germans probably can be found in Berlin. Many of them are bus drivers or cabbies.


     

    mcorr said:

    Definitely. DAZ is loosing my money, in large part, baecause I refuse to buy content creators making things I don't need. That's a loosing strategy with me at this point.

    It almost sounds like you want PAs to make things that they know don't sell as well just so you have something to buy.

    How can they know that something will not sell when they not try to sell it first? Shouldn't that considered be a "self fulfilling prophecy" as something that is not made will of course not sell.

    But yeah, of course they probably rather stay on the safe side by making "metalkini v200a" as there seem to be enough possible buyers for stuff like that, independent of the fact, that there are tons of those items alreasy sitting unused on their HD. devil

  • donovancolbertdonovancolbert Posts: 1,421

    And if you have not yet met a german who defines himself as "special" you might have just not met the right germans, than. Quite a few of us are very proud of not being "normal". It's usually expressed by assembling with other people who aren't "normal" either and to wear the same clothes as them and say the same things and think the same thoughts... in the end they often start a political party or at least a "Verein" (club/association/organization/society) where they can be all not "normal" together. 

    :D 

    Heh. Whatever you are... you've got a keen wit. 

  • Noah LGPNoah LGP Posts: 2,617

    As a member for only 6 months, the March Madness is very interesting in term of content.

     

  • ItsCeoItsCeo Posts: 471

    And if you have not yet met a german who defines himself as "special" you might have just not met the right germans, than. Quite a few of us are very proud of not being "normal". It's usually expressed by assembling with other people who aren't "normal" either and to wear the same clothes as them and say the same things and think the same thoughts... in the end they often start a political party or at least a "Verein" (club/association/organization/society) where they can be all not "normal" together. 

    :D 

    Heh. Whatever you are... you've got a keen wit. 

    Ahhh - I have always wondered where yodelling and lederhosen came from...perhaps I have just found the answer. laugh

  • FSMCDesignsFSMCDesigns Posts: 12,845
     

    It's a fact... so it's neither a self compliment nor is it self-deprecatory. I am a 57 year old german, who has no interest whatsoever in football - what americans call "soccer", but I really like american football. I don't own a smartphone, as I don't have any uses for it. I like japanese comics and comics by a gay german artist about his life and gay culture in germany, even though I'm utterly hetero. When I meet with my wife's relatives and her/their friends, I usually find nothing to talk about, except cooking, as none of our other interests are even marginally on the same level.

    And considering how marketing strategies seem to work on the masses, but they (usually) utterly fail to work with me, I do feel that I'm probably different than most other people, who consider themselves as "normal", which, logically, makes me the one not being within the norm = a special snowflake.

    And if you have not yet met a german who defines himself as "special" you might have just not met the right germans, than. Quite a few of us are very proud of not being "normal". It's usually expressed by assembling with other people who aren't "normal" either and to wear the same clothes as them and say the same things and think the same thoughts... in the end they often start a political party or at least a "Verein" (club/association/organization/society) where they can be all not "normal" together. 

    The largest percentage of not "normal" germans probably can be found in Berlin. Many of them are bus drivers or cabbies.


    Thanks for the info. nice to meet you!

    I have always thought of the term "special snowflake" as someone that is overly sensitive, with a very thin skin and special needs, that gets offended easily, not someone that doesn't fit into societies "normal" slot, LOL.

    As artistic, creative types, pretty sure the majority of us here don't fit into the "normal" slot, LOL

  • davesodaveso Posts: 7,839

    what's "normal" anyway?  

  • exstarsisexstarsis Posts: 2,128

    Sensitive people are called 'special snowflakes' but the term as derogatory originates with Fight Club, which was mocking kindergarten instruction of the late twentieth century in which small children were taught that, like snowflakes, they were each unique and beautiful. Fight Club antagonist asserts: "No, you are not." It has since been used as a general term to describe people who believe (or simply act) as if they are exceptions to general rules, and from there, used to describe people who are hurt or upset that the rules are being applied to them anyhow, and ending up as a general term used to dismiss anybody who seems more upset than any given situation seems to warrant (according to the judgement of the name-caller).

    :-)

     

  • maikdeckermaikdecker Posts: 3,037
    ItsCeo said:

    Ahhh - I have always wondered where yodelling and lederhosen came from...perhaps I have just found the answer. laugh

    Nah, those are a different story. Yodeling was invented by cow herders in the Alps, when they noticed that trying to communicate with the people in the valley below by shouting words would fail, due to echos. So insteadt of words they just used those strange yodeling sounds, which got repeated a couple times 'til the meaning got through. I thnk (!) there's a couple of these "abbreviated languages" around in several regions of the planet. Nowadays yodeling is only done for japanese, chinese and american tourists, though... or in some more rural regions of the USA.

    And Lederhosen are just a very cheap form of clothing. Made from deerskin, they are robust and nearly undestroyable. So they even can be passed on from one generation to the next, which made them a favourite in the more rural bavarian mountain regions. Nowadays they are produced in the far east though, except for some small companies that manage to make a living by providing quality, even if it costs probably 5 times more than the cheap imported stuff.

    Oh, and when you think of Lederhosen as "typical german" you're wrong... they are only used in Bavaria, which is very proud of being kind of a seperate state within the state of germany (see organizations of "normal" germans above... this is one of the largest) while other regions have their own, probably not less historic and strange looking clothing styles.


     

    Sensitive people are called 'special snowflakes' but the term as derogatory originates with Fight Club, which was mocking kindergarten instruction of the late twentieth century in which small children were taught that, like snowflakes, they were each unique and beautiful. Fight Club antagonist asserts: "No, you are not." It has since been used as a general term to describe people who believe (or simply act) as if they are exceptions to general rules, and from there, used to describe people who are hurt or upset that the rules are being applied to them anyhow, and ending up as a general term used to dismiss anybody who seems more upset than any given situation seems to warrant (according to the judgement of the name-caller).

    Well, you have to admit, that there are people who are exceptions from the rule. Russian oligarchs for example. They don't even have to follow the rules they make themselves.

    And for that "all snowflakes are unique and beautiful"... as each snowflake IS unique, isn't there a reasonably large chance that at least some of them are not beautiful? Some might just not be of the wonderfully bizarre edgy kind, but just simple blobs.. who knows? Nobody can say in earnest that he knows how every single snowflake that ever has fallen or will fall down to earth looked/will look like... I would bet, that in the average snowstorm in Canada there's at least a dozen utterly disgusting looking snowflakes among the millions of more or less good-looking ones.

  • GeoffreyHawkinsGeoffreyHawkins Posts: 255
    edited March 2018

    Wow, I have seen threads go off topic, but this one has barreled right through the guardrails, flew over the cliff and spectacularly crashed on the rocks below.  ;-)

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  • WonderlandWonderland Posts: 7,137
    mcorr said:
    I am a special snowflake... german, old and seeing advertisement only as a way to amuse me, but not as something to give me information about what's the best to buy...

    just curious, is this a self compliment, or meant derisively in a self-deprecatory way? Know many Germans, but none that refer to themselves as special, nor as being a "snowflake."

    It's a fact... so it's neither a self compliment nor is it self-deprecatory. I am a 57 year old german, who has no interest whatsoever in football - what americans call "soccer", but I really like american football. I don't own a smartphone, as I don't have any uses for it. I like japanese comics and comics by a gay german artist about his life and gay culture in germany, even though I'm utterly hetero. When I meet with my wife's relatives and her/their friends, I usually find nothing to talk about, except cooking, as none of our other interests are even marginally on the same level.

    And considering how marketing strategies seem to work on the masses, but they (usually) utterly fail to work with me, I do feel that I'm probably different than most other people, who consider themselves as "normal", which, logically, makes me the one not being within the norm = a special snowflake.

    And if you have not yet met a german who defines himself as "special" you might have just not met the right germans, than. Quite a few of us are very proud of not being "normal". It's usually expressed by assembling with other people who aren't "normal" either and to wear the same clothes as them and say the same things and think the same thoughts... in the end they often start a political party or at least a "Verein" (club/association/organization/society) where they can be all not "normal" together. 

    The largest percentage of not "normal" germans probably can be found in Berlin. Many of them are bus drivers or cabbies.

     

     

    I live in L.A. I don't think I've ever met a "normal" person and I'm glad. I'm not even sure "normal" exists and if it does, it must be really boring! 

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