Idea for Daz sales event...
exstarsis
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And I might even suggest it directly to Daz... but I wanted to chat about it here first and see what other people thought.
We all know Daz likes marginally themed bundles and collecting products into marginally themed sales. I’m imagining a multi-day themed sale, one that functions like a bundle (which I assume they recruit PAs for on the PA forum). It would be, say, the Summer Blockbuster sale and the products would follow a narrative structure along a particular theme. So say the theme was Through The Apocalypse (or Against the Dark Lord, or Beyond The Stars, or Two Worlds or whatever).
the First Day: the sale would introduce the premise: The First Annual Blockbuster Sale: Through the Apocalypse! There’s be some characters on sale, and some environments for such characters to start in, with associated poses.
The Second Day: The Apocalypse! All the products are related to multiple possible apocalyptic scenarios! Zombie morphs! Dinosaurs! Robots! Explosions! (Or for a different theme, the Mechanisms of Action: portal devices, army billboards, a volcano, giant spaceships, whatever the ~theme~ is made manifest). Themed texture updates to clothing, perhaps.
The Third Day: more new characters, post-apocalyptic outfits. New friends, suspicious figures. Any creature figures could also go here mascots welcome! Vehicles could also go here if they don’t show up earlier.
The Fourth Day: new locations, texture packs or variations for previous locations. Poses associated with those locations. Shaders. Props, especially Important Potentially Plot Relevant props. Tutorials, if necessary, could go here.
The Fifth Day: Time for another set of figures and outfits: hero outfits, villain outfits, and antagonistic characters. Some of these outfits are a throwback to The Time Before but retextured.
The Sixth Day: power-ups, betrayals, reversals. A variation of the stuff in the Secomd Day: Mothra shows up to battle Godzilla style of thing, but Mothra is even more dangerous in a new way! Set pieces (er, storywise), surprises and lots of poses: black moments, reversals, betrayal, moments of tenderness.
The Seventh Day: heroic sacrifices. confrontation and celebration.Yay! They've pulled it off! The bad guy has been killed or redeemed! Everybody dances! Fireworks! Back home again or onward to a new future! Sunsets!
The next few weeks: a high profile art contest around the Blockbuster Week, in which multiple entries are accepted but only if they're sequential. Maybe two categories: movie poster style and sequential art style. Big Prizes!
This idea personally appeals to me because I like watching progressive events develop, and I like making stories, and I like making stories related to prompts, and I think it would be fun (kind of like Nanowrimo?) to engage in this kind of supported, prompted storytelling with others. Also, I think the building narrative structure would make lots of other people also feel creative and inspired and thus prompt purchasing sprees!
What do you guys think?
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Really a great idea, I think! I love storytelling, too, and would enjoy this kind of sale. In addition, there should be created a permanent page on the store with a list of all the items that were offered in the sale event, even if they're not discounted anymore, so who is interested in the whole thing but wasn't able to buy everything at that moment (I think this happens often to more or less everybody, here) could always go back there and easily find the items he's missing. And, of course, finally a mega/ultra/maxi bundle with all the items together if you're just feeling lazy and don't wanto to go daily through the shopping cart
I got bored at the third day event just reading about it, personally a week of related releases would bore me and I might not even bother to visit the store cause 'oh its all zombie stuff this week'.
The idea of a contest where you need to do multiple entries I also find a bit off putting as I'd would probably never have time to do renders like that.
Daz could do with some good ideas about sales though.
you mean as in tl;dr
Sorry you have me totally lost?
Well, my idea was not that it was 'all zombie stuff' but all 'apocalyptic stuff' or 'big landscape fantasy' stuff, so as to have plenty of room for different takes on the material and even to allow some non-themed stuff to be fit in there. I figured people get so excited about the other Big Sales, and the bundles. And the contest wasn't 'multiple images required' but 'multiple images _allowed_ if they're part of the same story' which is why I suggested both a 'movie poster' (single image) and sequential categories.
But.
TL;DR. Oh well. No worries. I'm used to being the weird one!
It means "Too long: didn't read".
Ahh sorry probably should have read it all, especially the bit about the entries - sorry.
tldr - I looked it up - and yes most likely only because I have just got in from a long lousy day at work.
Not something I would be into. I would rather just have items in the store and purchase what works for me. I don't mind telling stories, but my own and not having to buy into one. I really like having a daily theme like we have now. Makes me wonder what the next day will bring as opposed to continuing a theme over a week or so.
As for contests, I am all for them, but I like the ones with one entry per user as there are some here that spam the forums with images (especially with some contests), mainly because they have a really high end PC or no job and can.. What's that old saying "quality over quantity" LOL
I do appreciate your creativity in this though.
I like when the have the build you own bundles sales myself.
at first i do not like to have to buy something i do not want to get stuff i want
Honestly today's PC+ pose set about the Imperial Coup is along the lines of what I was thinking. https://www.daz3d.com/imperial-coup
No 'buy this to get that cheaper'. Just a thematic suggestion that I thought might be engaging and fun for the community and provide a potential sales boost to items that otherwise might not sell enough to justify creation (but some people REALLY want).
Really I'm just riffing off the idea of 'sales as social events'.
I like the Ayako Hair & Bow for Genesis 8 Female(s) and I can parent it to any character figure without loosing its funchtion so it does not matter its made for genesis8. But I don't need the rest of the bundle Bummer
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So because this sale is designed to force me to buy the the bundle of content i can't use or want just to get some saving for the hair & there no sepcial deal for just buying the hair peice other than the standard 30%, I put my wish list & this item will have to wait for a discounted price during March Maddness prolly at 40% or get it in a stack sale.
Well, on that kind of thing-- if I want something new, and it's part of a bundle and I don't want the bundle and the thing I want new is still cheaper than the bundle... I don't feel like I CAN'T buy the new piece. I mean, there it is! I want it! Buying it is cheaper than buying the bundle! If I wouldn't hesitate if it _wasn't_ part of a bundle, I try not to hesitate if it is.
(When I want 2 of 3 pieces in a bundle it starts getting trickier, though.)
I think "I'd get it cheaper if I bought the bundle" is this huge fallacy that sales departments regularly take advantage of it. Same with Costco (which I love) convincing me that if I Spend More and BUy In Bulk I've saved money... even if I end up throwing away a third of that produce because I didn't use it fast enough. Calculably untrue. Emotionally hard to grasp.
I do that as well dreamfarmer if i have need for the item immediately . But I usually don't just buy one item when i purchase content to make it worth the purchase & if its going to properly sit in my content folder until I get around to using it in a project I like to get things as cost efficiently as I can . so it would be nice if i bought the hair & there was a offer for say 60% off another hair item, instead of the standard 40% which would be incentive to make the purchase of the one new item if i got another cheaper ... But that is my opinon or idea of a good sale
But I just remembered also the MM sale will be starting in a about 10 days. so I can wait
I kind of hate having stuff I really want come out right before a big sale because then it's in the NO DISCOUNT ZONE for so much of the sale. :-(
Yes, I agree. But that is one of the unfortunate side of effects of this industry, I believe #Hobby-3d-content for most people is more of we like this item and like to buy it because its bright and shiny, more than a must have item to live. So really its daz's task to change the incentive of that "we like to have crowd" to "We can't resist this sale because the incentive is to good crowd" But that is only looking at it, as a prospective customer. But if I were a PA, I too would want Daz to push my item for as much as they can get . to give the PA incentive to make more content. its a viscous circle and a fine line to make a profit in this industry.
Great idea. Almost everything I do is storytelling, but as others have said, DAZ might risk losing sales if theme / contest too narrow.
"Can't please everyone" sort of thing.
Contest might be problematic. Been at this a whopping 3+ months. Like I'd have any chance against expert users with 3+ decades! (Kind of like I see the same names posting in "Show us your IRay / 3DL renders." Woah! Amazing work and something to aim for, but might be a while before even upload to gallery much less posting a pathetic amateur renders at a topic or in a contest. Don't know how they'd handle that unless "PA, Veteran, Newbie" sub-categories.
Hopefully that's not TLDR. Had to look that one up!
Thanks for reading
---Bruce
March madness is comming up. Do it by day of the week:
Modern Monday
Terror Tuesday
Weird Wednesay(1)
Throwback Thursday (historical)
Fantasy Friday
Sci Fi Saturday.
Supliment Sunday (Additional add ons for anything released earlier in the week)
Repeat all four weeks, each week developing the "story"
Okay, wait, I just realized what a massive undertaking this would be for the various PA's to coordinate. Maybe this isn't such a practial idea.
(1) I wanted to do only 5 days, but Wyrd Wednesday seemed like too obscure a way of making Wednesay fantasy day.
I wonder if we could _pretend_ they're doing that. >.> It's always kind of fun to make up stories based on whatever the sale of the day is. The only problem is ideally we'd have access to everything released on a day to make those stories...
I know! Daz needs an ultra subscription model! Like the various music subscriptions! Pay something every month (a lot, I'd guess), get access to the entire 'not new' cataglog via Connect... but of course you lose access when you stop paying. ;-)
(Pretty sure that will never happen, but sometimes, man I've wished I could just give them my entire budget each month up front for access to whatever I realize I need later that month.)
I would almost definitely subscribe, price allowing. I'm also an Envato Elements subscriber, and I like their licensing terms--they allow downloads of the files, but you're either only licensed while you're subscribed, or you can "register" each work that each asset was used on, and then that work is forever licensed.
IMO Cloud subscription 3d content would not be a good option for people that do 3d animation. or anyone in the long run for that matter. the cost of assets would be so much over a long hual it not be worth using daz any longer and you would find alot people that do animation with daz going back to poser just for the continued user-rights for the content that you pay for once, instead of rent to never use again if your sub runs out. I have content now thats over 10 years old, which I would not have usage rights too still today if i had to continue to pay for that same content over and over for a subscription price for the same 10 years. Yeah it be great for the daz store, bad for consumers that use large amount of content in a long running repetitive project. Not to mention 3D Subscription content would have a shelf life of about a week and PA's would loose massive revenue from lost leader sales . Plus the big question, what are you going to do when you fall on hard time and can't render anything anymore because your subscriptions lapsed and you lost access to all 3d your content you had been paying for over & over for the last few years?... NO THANKS!
Well, I assume people who wanted to buy individual content still could and would! But so many of us use something only once or twice before moving onto the next new shiny. Sort of like you can buy software subscriptions OR buy a fixed license for one version, you know? But I'm a subscriber of a number of cloud services right now, so clearly the consumer risks of the model are things I'd be okay with. But I'd never want to see something that was ONLY available that way... just as, you know, a Platinum Club Plus ULTRA. Or something.
@dreamfarmer
Please understand this is not a personal attack against you so please do not take this comment this way when I say you its meant to be general user & as not you as in first person
So I had to check your profile and I learned why you would may want a Cloud rent to use content, YOU( as in every general user fitting this catigory of being as a memebr less than a year) been using daz less than year or 2 have not properly invested in 3d content like other have here that have been here for years and years.
So are YOU( as in every general user fitting this category) willing to loose the use of your favorite 3d content because of rent to use content once it outdated and been moth balled for new content to make room on the cloud server
What happens if you have a long running popular story, and your story image,character hdri etc. has been cut from the cloud? like photoshop CC you may like a feature you like to use for years, But then its gone with the new update that comes out this month .. Do you really want that? it happens all the time with Adobe products.
what about third party sites like rendo and SM that would not be connected to Daz Store cloud. would you want to pay a subscription to them as well? . Maybe and most like those sites will stop supporting daz software all together because they can no longer load content into daz because its not cloud rent to use content. . Yes honesetly those stores would properly stop supporting daz all together over poser, which renderosity mostly supports poser users now over daz.
People( as in every new general user fitting this year or less member category) obvious have not invested in the thousands of dollars for 3d content, like myself and many others long time members have because if you had, you would also would not want to loose your investment to "rent to use 3d content" or DRM. How would the PA's get paid for their New content they make? Should get a small 3% of monthly $29 month subscription fee, more, less? would you want to be paid for your work like that?
Here's another good example of what happens with cloud based subscriptions models like Autodesk, Adobe products
I have a Photoshop cs5.5 bought in 2013 ( Photoshop 3d extended standalone software was only $199 one time fee back then in 2013 before cs6 came out which was $249 for early adopters or upgrade ..) I paid $780 for the cs5.5 Master creative suite that came with Photoshop, Dreamweaver, flash builder, illustrator, lighting room, InDesign, after effect etc as a upgrade to cs4 . My cs5.5 Photoshop it still works great for being 5 years old and I have no subscription fee. I can use it forever as long at the photo editing formats like jpg,gif,png,psd never change. ( which I doubt will happen any time soon). the master CC suite is a monthly fee of over $80 monthly, lets do the math 80 x12 = $960 a year people using Photoshop CC will tell you once your done your subscription your loose your function of your Photoshop you may have been paying $29 - $50 a month subscription fee depending on your subscription account. so over a year you would have well and more than paid for the standalone version of Photoshop. which is no longer available for sale. because Adobe makes way more money on CC (creative cloud) If you want to use Adobe you are now forced to pay for a subscription for Photoshop if you want it use it or find something else like gimp which is free & most people use, accept professionals that need Adobe products. so small time users are not Adobe concern. they don;t have the money to trow away like that. Do you think that cloud 3d would be cheaper? I much rather pay a one time fee of $20 bucks for a 3D item you can use as long as you can store it on your own hard drive.
You do the math. & apply that to 3d content . Yes new users like YOU( as in every general user fitting this category of 2 years or less ) that properly haven't been using daz long would properly benefit from a cloud 3d content store. because if they decided it wasn't for them they could just walk away. The serious 3d users would not benefit from it at all and would loose much of the older content available today. just like we lost some very nice features in Photoshop 3D when photoshop CC came out.
But that is just my opinion and I am Adamantly against anything DRM,( Digitally right managed content) or any other cloud-access or Subscription based products,.If you think this is acceptable enjoy throwing good money after bad. I won't be one of them and I will go back to Poser in a blink of a eye. and let the the newbies support the daz cloud and see how that works out
MOTTO: BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU WISH FOR YOU MIGHT GET IT AND LIVE TO REGRET IT.
I'm in, if they do a really good gift card offer; I tend to avoid the buy stuff to get offers. Occasionally the items required I am intending to buy anyway, are what triggers the offer.