Delicate question, I shouldn't have to ask.
music2u4u
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Hi all, I really feel kinda stupid for asking, but you never know when the entire Male might be needed. I keep seeing stuff that states you need the Genesis 3 male gens. I have searched this entire site as well as other sites for it, and it is nowhere to be found. So, how am I gonna have an anitomically correct makle figure for say, a project that requires the entire man? Can anyone guide me to the goods...lol. You know...the male jewels? For Genesis 3 preferably. The Michael 3 and 4 stuff just won't fit right on the body. Looks like it is "placed" there. Not natural looking. Please help me so I can go on out to the nudist beach...hahaha. Thanks folks.
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You need to purchase one of the non-teen pro Male 3 bundles here or get a 3rd party unofficial one from another store.
You can get the DAZ ones by buying a male Pro Bundle that isn't a teen, or you can get standalone addons from Renderotica.
The genitals come with the "pro" bundles.
Kendall
If you want better more detailed male elements male m3dia has some that add more definition packaged with some of his characters. You still need default gens though.
Yeah... Male-M3dia's products (here in the Daz store) are highly recommended for those who like to render naked males using the Daz G3M male genital prop. HD shapes and morphs for the genitalia prop to give you more diversity in the look of those parts. Just look for "Anatomical Elements" in the description to find out if that product comes with additional morphs.
The other website mentioned above has a LOT of stuff that would help with nude models. Third party genitalia, morphs/pose dials for the Daz genitalia (the Daz genitals don't come with a huge morph bundle)... there's a lot of stuff for rendering nude models, but the Daz store doesn't carry all of it because it's just not that kind of store.
Thanks to all who helped here. I know it can be a delicate issue, but how else will I know where to get this if needed. Thanks again all.
The Pro Bundles often go on sale. So if you don't need it right away keep an eye open. You can sometimes get the pro version for lestt than the base figure. BTW: warning Renderotica is NSFW.
I have just returned from the Daz store. I was amazed at the prices for bundles. I can't spare much just now. sell the gens seperately? This way, ALL who have purchased the base characters can have a complete character. I may take your advice MarcCCTx and watch for a bundle sale, but I want this for Genesis 3, not 8.
I agree males should be sold complete and intact but the store decides how to package things and they decreed gens should be only in pro bundles. Also agree they should be sold as full featured secondary figures for those who only want them. The price for bundles goes down quite low at times expecially for Genesis 3 males, sometimes they even Show up in fastgrab at 70 percent off...so I wouldn’t be immeadiatly discouraged that they are unaffordable you just need to be patient.
You only need 1 pro bundle for each generation of Genesis
This has been the way things have been since the introduction of Genesis. Actually even M4 you had to buy the Morphs++ product to get the Anatomical Elements and that was back in 2008
They should just attach the Anatomical Elements to the male & female & be done with it. They are causing trouble with some texture sets that have Chromatic SSS and aren't using a Render Dome On setting & suchs weird things. And besides that, high quality pro bundles will result in high quantity pro bundle sales, not anatomical elements.
Anyway, the Pro Bundles, if you are PC+ club member are usually about $56 and sometimes discounted cheaper than that.
There will likely be a female pro bundle this Tuesday, the 6th of Feb and a new male pro bundle 20th of February. If you wait til March the older Genesis 8 Pro Bundles are likely to go on sale for about $26 - $40 each if you use your PC+ coupon also.
Agreed gens should be attached and customized. It seems odd that this part of the anatomy gets few custom morphs when characters are released. Only a few character creators alter them from default.
Probably because most PAs have little interest in making customizations to them because they don't use them. Don't forget that some PAs don't even include material settings for them, even if the character is meant to be an adult.
A quick way to kill support for your figure is to have the gens attached. They're hard to build clothing around and causes a lot of conforming issues. And some vendors and PAs simply don't want to see the gens, and with the issues with site ratings and billing, hiding the gens in a bundle is better than your figure being labled for porn.
The "it has always been that way" excuse is just a bad and outright anti-consumer as was ten years ago.
Genitals should be included with the base package of adult characters. End of story. Doing so does not suddenly turn Daz into a porn site. The descriptions for bundles state "anatomical elements", and such a phrase has never been a problem in having a character pop up in searches.from Google and others. There is no excuse, none. Its not like Daz is hosting dirty pictures on its site. The idea that Daz somehow becomes a porn haven simply for including a genital prop --that they already make-- in a couple more packages is straight up preposterous.
Male-M3dia, I don't believe they are asking to have the gens attached permanently, but rather the option to have them load with the character preset. Preset 1 loads character without, preset 2 loads them with. That is no different than having presets that load eyebrows or not, and as such in no way is killing support for anything.
That's not fact, that's opinion. At the end of the day, a business can't be run on opinions. I mean there's the one porn site that has a sister site that isn't and people have concerns about going to the sister site because of other site's reputation. It is what it is. If a credit card company or paypal decides you're a porn company, you're a porn company... and the only to clean it up is to get rid of the gens, and i know no one wants that.
As a character creator that does custom work on the gens, I don't see the value in those presets. Most times I'm loading up a figure without the base texture so it's not taking up memory in DS. It's an extra step now to load the eyelashes, as that's necessary to a figure, gens aren't.. especially when I'm working on 4-7 characters per pack. I do enough presets and making PNGs are the bane of my existance, not doing anymore than I have to. And although I'm not wild about putting "anatomical elements" in lieu of all I've added to a product, if DAZ3D feels this is the best way to offer the gens wilthout some of the hassles, then we have to accept that... because truth be known, they almost weren't made at all for genesis and the PAs that made male items back them fought to have them made. So I'm not demanding anything beyond they be made availble so we can make "complete" packages because I know the what the alternative was.
PAs modeling realistic human characters are too prudish to do human anatomical elements but manage to able to view hi-res photos and create closeups of real human skin, mouth interiors, and also completely make up truly ugly and disgusting monsters and zombies and such? I'm doubting.
How about anatomical elements that don't defy gravity and have visible seams when PAs submit characters that use chromatic SSS in some lighting situations?
And as far as the elements causing modeling problems with clothing fits that's going to be relegated to the past by dForce and if DAZ can't do it there is more competition in this arena than ever before that will get a good job done although not necessarily in DAZ Studio. It will be nice to load a model, load the clothing and it be done and do so correctly. That is what DAZ Studio is sold to do I do believe.
Prudish usually has nothing to do with it. If you've seen some of those references, you probably would be squeamish to do them. Most of the references aren't professional models; they're someone that needed a quick buck. I'd throw respect an anyone that can stomach some of those references to clean them up enough so you can render them. Also I've yet to see a zombie character with gens
Since these types of comments aren't actually discussion and usually leads to thread locks, let's just let this direction end.
Not quite, I played around with dforce and the gens kept getting snagged at the tip or the base; that solution isn't that easy at face value.
I've seen some of those references and the anatomical elements were positively boring compared to the mouth shots. Dentists earn their money. Zombies are hideous to texture and look at was the point.
Well they do not properly obey gravity when loaded but are at this weird 5 or 10 degree angle and can't be made to settle properly either via rigging or a morph. The David statue couldn't be done, not with those elements to put it diplomatically.
Well no, not yet, but dForce is early days. And they should be working on getting dForce to get it working in armpits, breasts, and remedy the thong-like fabric clinging on hindends most non-skirts and non-dresses have.
Anyway. i'm just running my mouth. Those aren't a source of great frustration or disappointment but they should remedy those problems.
Perhaps some more detailed bulge morphs might help the clothing issue until dForce is up to snuff? I can't be the... Er only one who finds the inclusion of a few extra shapes even more incentive to pick up a figure.
I honestly find the 'everyone looks the same' standard bulge a bit boring.
I find the bulge really off putting, it's not shaped right at all, just looks so weird!
I didn't name specific PAs but if a product isn't up to snuff it isn't up to snuff. I've written tickets and i've also seen the Chromatic SSS bug mentioned by multiple independent posters to the forums. Suggesting that the having the anatomical elements attached was somehow off-putting to the PAs that don't care to work with human anatomy despite the odd thing those PAs chose to work as 3D modelers of human anatomy and guess what human anatomy involves? Well human anatomy.
Anyway I've already told the OP when the next sales of disconunt Genesis 8 female & male pro bundles will probably be so I'm done with this thread too.
At the end of the day, it's their business to run and if they feel an action will have an negative effect, it's up to them whether to proceed or not. If you don't feel it's correct, it's up to you to support it or not. There's other options for gens if you need them so that's something that could be pursued. But I've had a website years ago, and because of what members did in my forum, even though it wasn't nudes, it got an adult rating and I got blocked from sites using site blockers and it took cleaning up the forums, changing the TOS and months to get it off that list, so I can relate to DAZ3D not staying off a certain path, and that's why I can say they can't run a business based on opinions. Your need to have gens is not going to override a business being blocked from avenues that would bring more site traffic, thus more revenue to their business. Also your claims about what credit cards would have done by now.. as you aren't in the back offices, who says they haven't been warned? You don't know, and a lot of times you won't as a customer. As a business, it's a lot easier to avoid a pitfall rather than stuggle to climb out of one. Again, as a customer, there's a lot of speculation going on in this thread about what they think goes on in a business; besides having a plan of where someone wants to grow a business into certain markets, almost always those plans don't involve bundling penises
. The solution put out by DAZ is a compromise they're happy with and gives folks the option to get them if they need them and I don't see them changing that stance.. there's simply no reason to when their main sales are clothes and scenery. 
I'm just going to point out bluntly that one can use credit cards at Renderosity. Speculation that they might be having invisible problems with credit card companies is completely out of left field and not evidence for an argument.
They also don't sell the "anatomical elements" for DAZ Figures like another site I can think of does. And I can definitely recall ads in certain magazines that if you wanted to use a credit card would be "discretely billed as" some other name.
'rosity wasn't the site he was talking about.
Exactly. And the transaction fees for sites designated as adult sites are way higher, and there is a smaller set of payment processors that will handle these types of sites. Fees eat into profits; so being able to secure a good rate and a payment processor of your choice is something you won't be able to do if you if your site is heavy on what these processors and search engines deem adult. Just like not messing up your credit so you can get a good rate on loans, you don't play with your site reputation either.
@music2u4u A new male Daz Original character bundle will probably be coming out soon and they've been offering free G3 bundles with the purchase of a new G8 bundle that are usually heavily discounted themselves. Most G3 bundles have been offered free or at a major discount at one point or another. If you can wait, I'm sure you will luck out!