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...BTW Newegg is selling W10 Pro 64 OEM bit at 129$ with a promo code.
Yep, original air cooler just wasnt super good. And different CPU's have different thermal throttling thresholds, mine was around 85c IIRC
not only that, theres a big difference between two GPUs and three, because of the space they take up restricting airflow, and PCI slot layout meaning its one GPU directly on top of the other with only about 3mm of space between them. With 2 GPU's, depending on your motherboard, PCI slot 1 and PCI slot 2 should have another slot in between them, so there is a big gap in between them for air flow. I dont have that, and i also have the 6 hard drives in the front restricting air flow from the front fans
when i bought the liquid cooler, i actually modified the case aswell, i cut a hole in the side panel above the GPUs and put an exhaust fan in there, to help vent the hot air from the GPUs outside the case. That helps....by product of that is when its under load, my room temperature gets significantly higher than other rooms in my house
i didnt say it was appropriate for everyone, or anyone in fact, i merely pointed out that the idea that water cooling a CPU is pointless if you are not overclocking is not entirely true
Prices have not inflated in the UK, or at least not to the same extent
It's OK and in line with what you want
For a little more I prefer the Aurora R7 https://www.amazon.com/Dell-AWAUR7-7883SLV-PUS-Alienware-Aurora-R7/dp/B076BM17ZR/ref=sr_1_7?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1517420370&sr=1-7&keywords=gtx+1070+16gb+2tb
It's one of the few prebuilt from a big Brand that can accept a second graphic card provided you get a more powerfull PSU (it is only 460W)
It also has a more recent and powerfull processor, an Intel 8700 which has 6 core 12 threads and max turbo clock of 4,6 Ghz
It seems the Aurora memory is just one 16GB Dimm module so you'll just have to add one other 16GB to get the 32 GB and still have two free slots to go to 64 GB
Finally the motherboard is also newer than the HP Omen as it has a Z370 chipset
For future evolutivity the Aurora is a way better choice than the HP
Quatity of fans in no way ensure good airflow; a couple of fans well placed can be better; and fewer flans makes it easier to set up.
It is incredibly easy to cause issues, especially as the number of fans increase.
Water cooling, or at least a closed loop for the CPU is a great idea; it (as has been said) removes the heat the CPU generates from the case, thus helping everything else.
For anyone who does rendering, especially using none-water-cooled GPUs, that is an important consideration.
We're in a 3D app forum. We've seen lots of people with more than one GFX card in the benchmark thread
The advice applies here. We're not talking about people doing office work. I don't think 99% is the right number to consider
Also googling a bit would have given you some answers
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operating_temperature
http://www.audioholics.com/diy-audio/heat-buildup-and-your-components
http://www.kooltronic.com/downloads/k1182.pdf
Keeping components the coolest is a good rule
..that's jsut the activation key for an electronic download (which could be a hacked version). I'd rather pay a bit more to have the DVD from a legit seller.
...I would concur on this and just get a second 16 GB stick.
You know what if this is still there in 2 weeks when my check gets here I will absolutely do that. Thanks so much guys! This has been a very informative thread. One last question? Is there a huge difference in monitors? No point in getting this and then a crap monitor right?
So should we all buy refrigerators and put our desktops inside? How cool is cool enough?
..oh if you do get a second memory stick, make sure to check what is installed in the system it is best to get the same the brand and frequency (DDR4 2666MHz).
Also, keep in mind that there are GPU's and CPU's in our machines. Should we water cool the GPU's too? Which means you need a special cooling system for those as well? Or just the CPU? And why the CPU, when many/most of us don't have applications that use all the threads of our CPU? For example I'm doing a render right now, and my CPU is sitting there bored because the two GPU's (1080ti and 1070) are doing all the work, and the CPU temp is less than 50C. And the GPU temps are kept below around 70C because the fans kick on. So why would I need a water cooler for the GPU's too?
And I know some will ask, so I forced my render to the CPU, and all 16 threads have been at 100%, and maximum temp is flat at just below 65C. Nothing close to a life-limiting or device-damaging number.
I'm not going to mention that just about any or all of the software on your computer you probably downloaded, and therefore it also could be a hacked version.
...outside of Daz Studio and Daz products (which are downloaded directly from Daz3D) Gimp (downloaded directly from the Gimp development site), Blender (downloaded directly from the the Blender Foundation Site), system Utilities (downloaded from the individual developer's sites), and drivers (downloaded from the actual manufacturer's site like Logitech, HP, or Nvidia) I avoid downloading any sources that I would consider shady, particularly those connected with Torrent sties where a lot of the software is cracked.
For OS installation in particular, I only purchase OEMs on DVD (with the activation key included on the sleeve/case) from a reputable vendor/reseller like Newegg.
However again, we are drifting to an unrelated topic. I just made the suggestion as a safe option.
You could also check Dell's site in two weeks. It's slightly more expensive but you can customize your build (add the 16 GB Memory if you have the money). There are some deals right now. Don't know how long that will last http://deals.dell.com/productdetail/ve6
There are roughly two types of monitors. The ones for gaming and the ones for graphic works. Questions would be : what budget, what primary use ?
What size would you like? What max resolution (basically 4K monitor or not) ? Curved monitor or not ?
There are also few tech to consider : HDR monitor or not (for graphic works)
For gaming, Compatibility with Nvidia Gsync is also to consider
One personnal question : wouldn't it be better to buy a crap monitor so that your fiance doesn't get a too good gaming experience so that you may have a chance to do some DS work ?
I think I provided some good enough links so that you can make up your own mind. Everyone is free to believe what he/she wants after all
I can only say I personnaly have seen a computer being buggy with the processor at temp slightly above 60°C. Two other thermal sensors inside the PC further from the processor were 5 and 7 °C higher. Everything worked fine after the overall temperature was brought down 10°C lower
Of course. But while the idea of "cooler is better" seems reasonable, I'm trying to encourage people to actually consider the numbers and whether it's really necessary and the cost is worth it. Yeah, it seems like you're better off being cooler, but when you look at real temperatures in real machines, maybe (probably) you're fine with just the standard cooling system. I'm convinced that these devices are designed for continous, normal usage (unless you buy junk), so worries over needing super-cooling are generally overblown, IMO. And since many/most of us have operated our computers over many years/decades, most with standard air cooling, and probably haven't had problems, it's hard to suddenly believe we're doing it wrong all these years. Heck, there was a time not long ago when water cooling didn't exist for the average consumer. Were computers dropping like flies because of insufficient cooling?
Yeah, if you get up in the 90-100C range you might have reason to worry, but that's why the designers add protective devices and fan curves to make sure the device doesn't get damaged. Sure, it might lessen its life somewhat, but if it's normally a 10 year life and it reduces to 8 years, so what? You'll probably replace your computer way before then.
The super cheap Windows 10 pro keys on ebay are legit keys from "scrapped" computers. I just grabbed one off Ebay (for $3.99) for my Media Center computer that just had a motherboard replacement (The free upgrade license for Win 10 does not transfer across major hardware changes). It did not auto activate, but worked fine using Microsoft's phone activation system.
Microsoft also allows you to download and burn to disk the most recent build of Windows 10 for free using the media creation tool.
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10
This tool can also be used to create a bootable flash drive for installations on computers without a DVD drive.
...but if it is off a dead system to which it was originally assigned, doesn't that violate MS's EULA, particularly if it is from an OEM which is only licenced to the system that was scrapped?
I've bookmarked this but want to make sure I get notified on every post so making a comment. I am also interested in a build specifically for 3d art and animation, daz specifically.
...what's your budget? Are you considering a home or custom build?
To stay within Ebay's rules the seller will offer to send you the dead HDD/Motherboard combo that the key came from if you pay a large shipping fee. If you choose not to have it shipped, they will recycle the dead components for you.
How long do you consider reasonable time for rendering and how large are your renders?
..still doesn't sound "clean" and again if it is an OEM, it is licenced to the particular system it was originally installed on. The restriction on with the "free" offer was it was only good for the lifetime of the system it was downloaded and installed on, once that ends, the licence is no longer valid. But again we are digressing from the main point of the thread.