Kagiso for G8M bugs?
barbult
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Kagiso for G8M by JavierMicheal has different Translucency Color and SSS Reflectance Tint on the Torso than on the rest of the skin. This renders with visible lines where the color changes between surfaces. I'm not sure how well it will show up on the attached image, because of the forum image compression. It is most obvious on the seam between legs and torso in this image. The extent of the visible problem is probably partly based on lighting. I rendered with the default HDRI for this image.
The fingernails and toenails also look very blue/green. I see now that they are even that way in the promo.
I am going to submit a help request.
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Yeah, I see the same issue.
Until they get a fix for it, here's an alternate settings for him: https://www.dropbox.com/s/qilzn0sx1w858k7/Kagiso Alt Mats - Temp Fix.zip?dl=0
Just unzip, open the file, and drop the "Presets" folder into your My Library. His alternate skin settings should then be under Presets >> Materials >> Kagiso Alt Settings
Here are a couple of renders with the settings:
They're basically his torso settings moved to the rest of his body with a few minor tweaks. I also made minor changes to his fingernail, teeth, and eye settings.
I hope Javier doesn't mind. These are just some temp settings until there is a fix for the current settings issue. :)
My render settings made him a little darker than normal. Here he his with the default Iray render settings:
Thank you, @Divamakeup. This is very generous of you. (I imagine Javier will only be upset he didn't catch and fix the issue before Kagiso was released.)
That would have been a miss by QA.
I hope you're right that he won't be mad. heheh ;) Character creation is art, so it's like messing with someone else's art. I just wanted to help though so that people can use the character before a fix is done for the settings. So hopefully he won't be mad. :)
He's looking much better in your renders, Divamakeup. I've already submitted the bug report.
Thank you, they're pretty much just Javier's settings though - just very minor tweaks. He did such a great job on this character! I really like Kagiso! :)
Do you think I should I submit a bug report too? Or would that just annoy them unnecessarily since you've put one in already?
@Divamakeup, your initial renders above made me think of actor Aldis Hodge. (I gave hubby the complete series of Leverage for our anniversary a few months back, and we've been catching up on all the episodes recently.) Here's an image of Aldis:
I've not heard of that series, I'll have to look it up. The hubby and I have hit a "dry spell" when it comes to good TV shows (we binged watched Stranger Things like three times but can't find anything else good to watch lately lol). And we are definitely in need of a good show to watch. I'll look into Leverage. Thanks, L'Adair! :)
Ok, I went ahead and put in a ticket as well. :)
It aired on TNT originally. We started watching it mid-afternoon on weekends. It's a lot of fun.
Here's a sneak peek: Leverage- Season 3 HD Trailer
Cool, thanks, L'Adair! :)
Aside from those errors in the upload he looks nice. I particularly like his belly button. It looks better defined than a lot of figures where it looks very undetqioed.
I've figured out the issue. It's all in the color settings for Translucency. All the other skin settings are identical.
There are two Skin presets, 01 without gens and 02 with gens. The 02 preset has the correct settings for the torso. However, both Face 01 and Face 02 Presets have the incorrect settings. So if you decide to use the no-brow face setting, you'll see this problem, and if you try to go back to the default face by clicking on the preset, you'll still have the problem. I mentioned this in the trouble ticket I submitted earlier. I created a small graphic to add to the ticket. I'll post that here: It's easy enough to fix yourself, in the interim.
Also, try setting the SSS Reflectance Tint for the Fingernails and Toenails to dark gray, and see if you like the results.
Here are a couple of undercooked renders of Kagiso. It's also my first foray into using the Boss Pro lights. I think his skin is fine in these renders, but the backdrop is still grainy. Anyway, first up is Kagiso with the settings as the vendor intended:
Kagiso 01
And her he is with the "alternate" translucency settings:
Kagiso 02
The only thing I changed between the two is the translucency colors as mentioned in my previous post, and both have the dark gray in the SSS Reflectance Tint color for the fingernails.
That's good.
I appreciate you people digging in deeper and reporting the additional problems.Hopefully Daz will get it straightened out soon
Love these renders! That's one hunky handy-man! lol :) And the lighting looks really good. I've had the Boss Pro Lights on my wishlist for ages, I definitely need to get those! :)
Thank you, Diva. I'm glad you like him! And he's that hunky out of the box. Besides the translucency settings, I just dressed and posed him. Those muscles were already there.
I really wasn't sure about the Boss lights, so I asked over in Novica's thread, and the question/answers spawned the BOSS Lights ~ Sharing Preset Settings thread, last August. I bought the lights, but then haven't had a chance to use them. These images were just to show 1) No seams! and 2) that both options work, and give slightly different hues to the skin. I'm working on a true portrait of him now, still using the Boss lights. I'll post it here when it's finished.
I'm confused about where it says he has 5 different faces. What does that mean? Are they facial expressions?? Are they the facial hairs?? I read the blurb on the page and it doesn't say anything about facial hair, so if it's not included, why is it so prominently displayed in all those little insets? I'm really interested in getting him so I have another man of color, but not sure what the 5 different faces thing means.
https://www.daz3d.com/kagiso-for-genesis-8-male
Thanks if anyone can help.
It means no eyebrows, eyebrows, and 3 varients of a basic goatee.
Customer Service says there is an update for this product, but there is no update showing in Daz Connect for me. Anybody else see a Daz Connect update for Kagiso?
The Daz Connect update just appeared.
Edit: But it doesn't look like very many of the reported problems were fixed.@L'Adair @Divamakeup, what do you think?
@sapat, Kagiso has two face material presets, 01 and 02, that load the complete face materials; one with brows, one without. Presets 03, 04, and 05 are LIE (Layer) presets for the facial hair, loading over the top of the face images, so you can use either the brow or no-brow face with any beard option.
So the answer to your question about the facial hair is the above, they are LIE presets, and layer the beard options over the face images. That means you can use them on any G8M, though. Maybe G3M, but I haven't tried that.
I just got online and the first thing I did was check my support ticket.
Kagiso was in my DIM and I've downloaded him. I have to move that file to the beast to install, and it's finishing up a render; of Kagiso, actually. I'll get back to you on what's in the DIM updated version.
First, @barbult, the only change in the updates is the material settings for the torso in the 01 skin settings, the torso reset settings and the intial load. The face presets still use the wrong translucency settings, and the fingernails are still green. I'm about to update my ticket...
Second, here's an artistic render of Kagiso, using the vendor's intended settings. I used the crow's feet morph because people get crinkles around the eyes when they smile! Tyrone has a very effective "realism" morph for the eyes, which I also used. Otherwise, it's all Kagiso's shape. As for the teeth, I applied the Soft Wax Plain shader from the Subsurface Workshop - SSS Shaders for Iray, my personal preference for teeth, then I darkened them a bit more. They still seem too white to me, but c'est la vie. Here's:
Headshot (From Kagiso's Actor Portfolio)
This is a large image, 2K by 2.6K. I upped the SubD on both Kagiso and the hair. If you really want to see how good Kagiso's skin looks, be sure to view the image full-size from the gallery page here.
ETA: Updated my trouble ticket. I think I'm too wordy in those. From now on, I think I'll list issues in a bulleted list when there is more than one problem! lol
Okay. Off to "sp@m" the forums with my new render...
Some characters appear to be intended to have green nails. I’ve submitted orders for funky fingernails that were never corrected.
As far as visible seams, that's been fixed:
I did notice that my original alternate settings where a bit too Lavender (which I didn't notice at the time due to my Tone Mapping settings). Here's the updated alt settings. Also included is a setting that only changes the nails and eyes (as I agree, the nails are a bit greenish on my monitor too): https://www.dropbox.com/s/47vnvrq3h0cxo1g/Kagisto Alt Settings 2.zip?dl=0
Here's a render of the alt settings:
Here's his original skin with alternate eye and nail setting applied:
LOL... Okay. I guess I don't really know, I'm making an assumption. The yellow and green translucency color settings were used on all but the torso, of the 01 skin preset, and on all the skin of the 02 preset. The update has made changes to the torso of both the torso reset and the 01 skin settings, so I'm making the assumption, these corrections are the correct ones. I'm also assuming the vendor made the corrections, or approved them.
All of my assumptions could be wrong!
This is just wrong, on so many levels! lol...
ETA: Didn't see your post, @Divamakeup, until after posting this... Thank you again for your help and the alternate presets. Hugs.
I said I was unsatisfied with the resolution of my help request, because the problems were not all fixed. It has been sent back to QA. And so we wait again.