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  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 40,511
    freni-kyn said:
    y3kman said:
    Serene Night said:

    I predict this thread will escalate and get shut down soon.  That tends to happen with this type of thread

    We got a heels thread last week. This one is about skirts. I'm not going to be surprised if someone makes a complaint about blouses and cutout holes next week.

    Actually I started the heels thread and I was looking for a legitimate fix. Unfortunately I got sick with the flu and returned to find it had become a rant thread and had been closed down. From that I learned that my future posts will be very carefully worded to get solutions and not encourage rants. Or morality questions either. I’m far from conservative and I LOVE heels and short dresses, I was just looking for a solution and frustrated by my lack of google results. The short skirts have been a problem for my renders too so I am very grateful for the creative answers I’m finding here. 

    The solution is to learn 3D modelling 

    I suck at it BTW but have learnt to tweak stuff at least

    even in DAZ studio itself it’s amazing what one can do with the geometry editor and now dforce too

    skirts often drape longer and look much better 

  • DaWaterRatDaWaterRat Posts: 2,885

    What I'd actually like to see with skirts, and I know there are technical reasons why, is for them to fall to different lengths depending on the character's leg length.  Wha'ts a mini-dress on my 5'9" friend is knee length on my 5'0" frame, even though there was a time we could otherwise share them.

    So all these tiny skirts on 5'10" Victoria should fall lower on 5'5" Stephanie....

    But then the bones don't line up right and everything gets weird in terms of bending...

    (And I'd say skirts here in Chicago aren't that short, but I think it's probably more accurate to say that there's more variety in skirt length in a cooler climate city like Chicago than in generally warm LA)

  • DaWaterRatDaWaterRat Posts: 2,885
    CypherFOX said:
     

    p.p.s. Oh, and "LA is sure not an indication of normal." is a mighty misinformed thing to say.  I think the sheer variety of Los Angeles as a whole makes it more indicative of 'normal' on average than more...sparsely populated parts of the country.  I might agree if you referenced something like the Las Vegas strip, where the most excessive of the DAZ-style outfits are bog common, but only because the strip is designed as a temporary escape from reality.  Again, providing a fantasy world, like rendering.  Despite having Hollywood within its borders, Los Angeles is a lot more than that.

    I'm sorry, LA is more "normal" than New York or Chicago? Because LA normal isn't Chicago normal, or New York normal.  Being in cooler climates, the most and thrid most populous cities in the US have more in common (fashion wise) with each other than they do with LA.

  • nicsttnicstt Posts: 11,715
    DaWaterRat said:
    CypherFOX said:
     

    p.p.s. Oh, and "LA is sure not an indication of normal." is a mighty misinformed thing to say.  I think the sheer variety of Los Angeles as a whole makes it more indicative of 'normal' on average than more...sparsely populated parts of the country.  I might agree if you referenced something like the Las Vegas strip, where the most excessive of the DAZ-style outfits are bog common, but only because the strip is designed as a temporary escape from reality.  Again, providing a fantasy world, like rendering.  Despite having Hollywood within its borders, Los Angeles is a lot more than that.

    I'm sorry, LA is more "normal" than New York or Chicago? Because LA normal isn't Chicago normal, or New York normal.  Being in cooler climates, the most and thrid most populous cities in the US have more in common (fashion wise) with each other than they do with LA.

    Climate only has some influence (and not a lot) on fashion and skirt length. In the UK, girls ignore the weather and wear skimp.

    There are a number however, who wear jeans when they're out - trying to stay warm and comfortable I presume?

  • maikdeckermaikdecker Posts: 3,037
    DaWaterRat said:

    I'm sorry, LA is more "normal" than New York or Chicago? Because LA normal isn't Chicago normal, or New York normal.  Being in cooler climates, the most and thrid most populous cities in the US have more in common (fashion wise) with each other than they do with LA.

    For quite a few people all over the globe, whatever is fashionate in either LA, NY or Chicago can't be considered as "normal" anyway. Regional fashions are quite different than that.

    Probably hard to notice for americans, as they don't see so much foreign stuff on the telly, so many expect the whole world to look like the USofA devil

  • freni-kynfreni-kyn Posts: 394
    th3Digit said:

    The solution is to learn 3D modelling 

    I suck at it BTW but have learnt to tweak stuff at least

    even in DAZ studio itself it’s amazing what one can do with the geometry editor and now dforce too

    skirts often drape longer and look much better 

    I love dforce and feel it can fix a lot of what I have found lacking, including skirt length.  And I totally agree, I need to learn to do the 3D modeling.  If I learned that maybe I'd be creating solutions instead of looking for the solutions. 

  • AllenArtAllenArt Posts: 7,175
    edited January 2018

    For anyone interested, there is a panel in the gallery from Mary Baker I believe that shows how to lengthen dresses and skirts with dforce. Just food for thought :)

    Laurie

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  • melaniemelanie Posts: 806

    I don't see anyone mentioning this in this thread, but you can find some nice longer skirt lengths from Wilmap. She has some great clothes with longer skirts and higher necklines, and her things are all free. You can check them out here:  https://www.wilmapsdigitalcreations.co.uk/introduction.php

  • RuthvenRuthven Posts: 683
    Wonderland said:
    AllenArt said:
    Wonderland said:

    And I get grossed out by red meat LOL. I once saw a place where they slaughter cattle and it was really hard for me to eat meat after that. Then I went to a VR event and PETA was showcasing a VR thing about chickens being crammed in a truck to be sent to slaughter and it looked like they were about to be gassed at Auschwitz which essentially they were, so I couldn't eat chicken after that....  I like animals too much to eat them.

    And I eat organic and things like quinoa, chia seeds and flax and kombucha and pretty much all health foods. And now I discovered and am in love with Himalayan Pink Salt Lamps!  Oh , and I've been going to acupuncture for a weird pain in my shoulder and neck. I really am an LA cliche LOL. I don't think I could live anywhere else! 

    LA Cliche seems lovely, then! :-)

  • wizwiz Posts: 1,100
    Peter Fulford said:
    Serene Night said:

    I predict this thread will escalate and get shut down soon.  That tends to happen with this type of thread

    Wouldn't want it to get too - long.

    Making puns is just skirting a difficult subject.

  • ItsCeoItsCeo Posts: 471
    edited January 2018
    @Wonderland - I spent an hour last night trying to get a friend to understand that living in a place you like or love can change your life. I am happy for you that you have found a place that right for you.
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  • WonderlandWonderland Posts: 7,137
    CypherFOX said:

    Greetings,

    So...the shoulder top cutout is (1) useful because the shoulders are where the most problems with bending on weight-mapped clothing happen, and (2) shockingly enough that's actually a current fashion.

    As for skirt length, you're just not seeing it.  I work in a cold part of the country, surrounded by young urban professionals, with a reasonable ratio of women.  You'd think they wouldn't wear much in the way of short skirts, short dresses, etc., to work...  But they do.  The trick is that they often wear leggings underneath, or dark hose, and so you really...just don't notice that the outfits are short.  The dresses give the feeling of long shirts with some decoration/structure, the skirts are there to break up their body lines.

    Lastly, the majority of renders are not of people sitting at their desk doing normal everyday things.  Like the majority of novels are not about someone going to work, day in and day out, playing with their kids at night, and sleeping.  You typically render to show a reality that is not the humdrum everyday.  Sure, there's a market for that, but it's dwarfed by the people who want to render characters flying, furious, flirting, fighting, fearful, feasting, in the future, fierce, flaming, fencing, faceplanting, and even further fancies...  Rendering is about fantasy, even when it's portraying something close to the real world.

    If you want to make short skirts and dresses look more like everyday clothes, put leggings/pants on your characters underneath the skirt/dress and you'll find clothes like MOST of them on millions of professionals across every city in the world, every day.

    I wouldn't pick on the length of skirts on virtual characters...let's just leave it at that.

    --  Morgan

    p.s. I don't have a moral leg to stand on, just to be clear.  I get annoyed when skirts have a 'longer' morph with only positive values available, and don't have a 'shorten' morph at all.  But I really do see people wearing clothes like a lot of the DAZ 'everyday' clothes every...well...day, just with leggings and other enhancements.

    p.p.s. Oh, and "LA is sure not an indication of normal." is a mighty misinformed thing to say.  I think the sheer variety of Los Angeles as a whole makes it more indicative of 'normal' on average than more...sparsely populated parts of the country.  I might agree if you referenced something like the Las Vegas strip, where the most excessive of the DAZ-style outfits are bog common, but only because the strip is designed as a temporary escape from reality.  Again, providing a fantasy world, like rendering.  Despite having Hollywood within its borders, Los Angeles is a lot more than that.

    THIS. And people from all over the world copy fashion that comes from LA because celebrities wear it and wardrobe people use it in movies (unless shooting on location in an area that is supposed to look local or doing a period piece...)

  • RAMWolffRAMWolff Posts: 10,369
    Silver said:

    Im in Gainesville which is a big college town and the amount of girls i see with their ass hanging out of their clothes blows my mind lol 

    OMG.. I lived there for 2 years when I was a tyke.  My mom was finishing up her sociology degree there at the University of Florida. 

    Back on topic... I see plenty of really short skirts and dresses here in the California bay area.  Each to their own.  Some folks are very conservative in their approach to fashion while others are wild and sexual in it.  It all works for every individual.  That's what makes the world go around.

  • RAMWolffRAMWolff Posts: 10,369
    Wonderland said:

    I don't know, I think that's ageism. I'm over 30 and still wear short skirts and skinny pants... Everyone I know does. No need to look like a grandma just because you're over 30! If you stay healthy and in shape you can look like you're in you're 20's/30's till you're quite old! And no need to have short hair either like in olden times, you can have long hair and look hot way past 30! Look at Sandra Bullock and Jennifer Aniston, well into their 50's!

    yes

  • nonesuch00nonesuch00 Posts: 18,812
    RAMWolff said:
    Wonderland said:

    I don't know, I think that's ageism. I'm over 30 and still wear short skirts and skinny pants... Everyone I know does. No need to look like a grandma just because you're over 30! If you stay healthy and in shape you can look like you're in you're 20's/30's till you're quite old! And no need to have short hair either like in olden times, you can have long hair and look hot way past 30! Look at Sandra Bullock and Jennifer Aniston, well into their 50's!

    yes

    But isn't it ageist to describe clothing that is beautiful and shy as grandma clothing? And for goodness sake the disdane for the physical appearance of fellow human beings because the worked in the fields outdoors and thus have wrinkles in their maturity isn't very polite or respectful. Try being a child helping their dirt poor family sustenance farming to eat living in cold old wooden shacks until you get married and moved to a big cities living and working indoors and listen to all the tongues wagging about how you look. frown

    For all those that look like grandmas and grandpas, enjoy your long hours not spent in front of a mirror!

  • ButchButch Posts: 800

    I've always found womens fashion, in Daz land, to be a bit unrealistic.  Hence, the reason I only render male characters.  I can't complain about the mens clothing here wink

  • The Blurst of TimesThe Blurst of Times Posts: 2,410

    Being in the Bay Area, sometimes you can't get people to wear pants on BART... so a skirt being short? Not a problem.

    Some of this is the "tube around another tube" construction of clothing. Once you get past the knee, you have to deal with that problematic knee joint in your clothing.
    Going above the knee is easier, and higher above the knee allows for less distortion (oooh, scandalous).

     

  • Serene NightSerene Night Posts: 17,704

    nothing wrong with having short hair or looking like granny. Not everyone has a say in how they look as they age.

  • WonderlandWonderland Posts: 7,137

    Nothing wrong with short hair at all. It's just in the past, if you watch old movies, women over a certain age never had long hair, they felt they HAD to cut it. Barbara Streisand at the Golden Globes had long hair, well past her shoulders (could have been hair extensions LOL) but in any case, she looked amazing, she didn't feel like she had to cut her hair because she was over a certain age. And aging isn't just about looks, but how you age on the inside. I knew a woman in her 50's who was always complaining about her arthritis but all I ever saw her eat was candy! I don't think she ever ate regular healthy nutritious food! A lot of things contribute to premature aging, not eating healthy and getting enough vitamins, smoking, too much sun exposure, drinking too much, not working out, stress (which you can help through mediation), not enough sleep. I think you CAN help prevent premature aging and it's not just about looks, but overall health... Who wants aches and pains or heart issues, diabetes or high blood pressure if you can help prevent it?  OK sorry, this is getting sooo OT. But I'm all for maintaining a healthy body as well as you can and dressing the way you feel, not by what your chronological age is...

  • OZ-84OZ-84 Posts: 137
    Peter Fulford said:

    I agree. I've looked at every disgusting DAZ promo page. Twice.

     

    Hahahaha :-) 

    Made my day! Thx 

  • freni-kynfreni-kyn Posts: 394
    AllenArt said:

    For anyone interested, there is a panel in the gallery from Mary Baker I believe that shows how to lengthen dresses and skirts with dforce. Just food for thought :)

    Laurie

    Thanks for the he link!

  • murgatroyd314murgatroyd314 Posts: 1,568
    Khory said:
    Murgatroyd said:

    When I was in school, the minimum acceptable length for both skirts and shorts was "fingertip length". I have found very little female clothing in the store that meets that standard.

    I don't think that is as long as you think it is. I just measured. That finger tip length means that the skirt is about 13 inches total from waist to hem. That was the length I wore them when I worked at a big box department store about 15 years ago. Slightly longer than I wore them in the 70's when micro minis were all the rage.I always find it ironic that people are so worried about skirt lenghs now when their moms probably wore shorter ones in the 60's and 70's.

    My standard method for checking this in DS is with the actual fingertips. Default pose, "Arms Up-Down" pose control set all the way down. Most less-than-knee-length skirts are one or two inches short of the fingertips; almost all shorts are about three inches short.

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