Daz, please stop tracking me...

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  • ebergerlyebergerly Posts: 3,255

    I'll be very interested to see the state of the "free" internet in 10 years. We all want everything on the internet for free, but don't realize that somebody has to pay for all that free stuff. Making websites and hosting and servers and maintenance and so on. And the way they pay for it is thru advertising, the same that has been done since when "free", on-air TV started back in the 1950's. Nothing is free. 

    So as people find better ways to block ads, and over time the advertisers realize they're not getting the revenue they expected, and then websites can no longer survive. It will be interesting. 

    Personally, I get so tired of checking sites like CNN, and suddenly my speakers start blasting a video advertisement I don't want, and ads sprout up, and suddenly a full screen ad for CNN's latest show. What you expect to be news is now just advertising. I think the pendulum will swing....  

  • namffuaknamffuak Posts: 4,407
    SimonJM said:

    Just noticed a new one - waiting for bat.bing.com .. what????

    Whatever it is, privacy badger blocks it without input from me.

  • namffuaknamffuak Posts: 4,407

    Is it still a requirement to click through ads for sites to get credit (and money) for them? I've not clicked on an ad in more than 8 years now, even for the sites I don't block them on.

  • ebergerly said:

    So as people find better ways to block ads, and over time the advertisers realize they're not getting the revenue they expected, and then websites can no longer survive. It will be interesting.

    I'm going to be honest here, sites that try desperately to sell me things I don't want aren't sites I'll generally mind when they go missing. If a company can't transition to selling its product instead of selling its readers, then you were the product, not whatever on earth the company made, and apparently whatever the company made wasn't worth it.

  • ebergerlyebergerly Posts: 3,255

    I'm going to be honest here, sites that try desperately to sell me things I don't want aren't sites I'll generally mind when they go missing. If a company can't transition to selling its product instead of selling its readers, then you were the product, not whatever on earth the company made, and apparently whatever the company made wasn't worth it.

    Many or most of the ads I'm seeing on other websites are for DAZ stuff. So clearly DAZ uses this type of advertising for revenue. 

    Not sure I'd want DAZ to go away smiley

     

  • Serene NightSerene Night Posts: 17,704

    I actually don’t mind the ads. In fact I find it amusing to see what unrelated sites they show up on. I do think that they could do more to advertise male content though...

  • ebergerly said:

    I'm going to be honest here, sites that try desperately to sell me things I don't want aren't sites I'll generally mind when they go missing. If a company can't transition to selling its product instead of selling its readers, then you were the product, not whatever on earth the company made, and apparently whatever the company made wasn't worth it.

    Many or most of the ads I'm seeing on other websites are for DAZ stuff. So clearly DAZ uses this type of advertising for revenue. 

    Not sure I'd want DAZ to go away smiley

    DAZ won't go away, the companies that rely on pushing DAZ ads with no relevance to their actual site content will. And the middleman Google is going to be just fine.

  • JasmineSkunkJasmineSkunk Posts: 1,906

    To me, it’s perfect because I know I’m not going to get annoying ads.

    This, indeed. Given that the companies delivering "serious news stories" need the ad revenue to function, it's not too bad seeing ads related to something you already find unobjectionable.

    And it's kind of reassuring to see that these ad / tracking systems are still just really, really stupid.

    yeslaugh

  • nonesuch00nonesuch00 Posts: 18,723

    Well truthfully that as Agent-Unawares & Ebergerly have said for most internet 'businesses' their business money is conglomerate a lot of members through some 'social media free service' and then sell advertising to businesses that want to present products to those members. 

    So what? Membership in those is voluntarily. FB and such sites are some of the better sites on the internet (if you avoid FB 'Trending News' and the associated comments and behaviours and block the more obnoxious FB pages that wind up in your News Feed). I see ads on FB all the time, friend XYZ likes Fritos or things like that. Still haven't went out and bought Fritos in a long, long time.

    Where the internet model has fallen flat on it's face is the traditional news media sites and their desperate attempts at clickbait. They've gone from mostly decent news sites in the 90s on the internet to crass snake oil salesmen in the 2010s on the internet both in content and ads served.

    Google Search rarely use it anymore except as a lazy way to spell check or find images for render inspiration. Same with Bing.

    Entertainment to working or school attending folk is not that relevant 16+ hours a day but watch the flood of money going to it as compared to more practical items. Matters not too much if the internet boom is mostly internet startups going boom and bust in cycle after cycle. I got a letter from Company XYZ just today stating they were closing down.

  • kaotkblisskaotkbliss Posts: 2,914

    I should use a Daz ad for my signature here :D

  • nonesuch00nonesuch00 Posts: 18,723

    I should use a Daz ad for my signature here :D

    They have affiliates program but I have never looked into it. Perhaps you should?

  • ALLIEKATBLUEALLIEKATBLUE Posts: 2,983
    I don't care about ads or commercials. People gotta make a living. I ignore them just like other things that get on my nerves
  • kaotkblisskaotkbliss Posts: 2,914

    I should use a Daz ad for my signature here :D

    They have affiliates program but I have never looked into it. Perhaps you should?

    I don't think it would do much good here, where 99% of the people already shop anyway LOL

  • TheKDTheKD Posts: 2,711
    edited January 2018

    Ads are a bane of the internet. Every time I have ever managed to tracked down an infection source, it turned out to be a malicious ad that served it. A coincidnece, since I installed ublock origin and noscript on my browser, I don't even need to bother with any of those resource hogging realtime antivirus anymore. I scan with a few scanners once a day automated, so far it's been years since they found anything other than a few stupid tracking cookies. I think it was forbes, shamed and annoyed their readers to disable adblock, then served an infected ad not long after, pissed a lot of people off lol.

    Funny story. Ublock got broken once by a firefox update. I was alerted when I was happily skipping along the internet, forgot to turn my speakers off after watching a movie the night before. This was in the morning, before the first cup of joe, all of a sudden my speakers are booming with some moaning webcam chick served up on some pupunder ad. Talk about a rude and embarrassing awakening for the household :P

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  • I'll tell 'ya what's creepy. I get those targeted ads here at home, on the PC I use to shop at Daz and other sites. At work, I use a totally separate user name and ID, and a work computer owned by my employer. The two never cross. The twain never meets. They just don't. Different emails, credentials, everything due to work computer usage rules. Well, a couple of months ago I started getting those little Daz targeted ads on the work PC when surfing the web looking for current events (I'm a teacher) to use in class. Okay, so how did the little data gnomes make that connection? How did a subroutine someplace figure out that the guy sitting in his classroom looking up political and economical current events is into 3D rendering?  This stuff is actually getting verrryyyy creepy.

  • nonesuch00nonesuch00 Posts: 18,723
    edited January 2018

    The ads I don't like but are harmless to are the FB ads Amazon places after I've browsed the Amazon site however the same behaviour has been going on decades before the internet came about with catalogue sales, credit offers, car sales, insurance, and on and on. 

    The creepiest of all is the political and charity use of 'customer' data, but still legal. I've learned to block those numbers when they call but there is a multitude of blantantly fake charities that spoof numbers and charitable sounding names. It's like a hydra! Sorry, but, LOL, DAZ has all my spare change.

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  • AllenArtAllenArt Posts: 7,175

    I've always found Google and programs like it creepy. But that is the price they asked for the freebies they gave and, apparently, they set just the right price because most of use bought in. My info is already out there, but I do draw the line at Google Now, Cortana, Siri, Amazon Echo....all those voice (and sometimes camera) controlled services. I find those SUPER creepy. I mean, call me paranoid, but I even have the microphones disabled on my laptops and black electrical tape over the webcams. LOL. Just because I'm paranoid doesn't mean they aren't watching and listening, right? :P

    Laurie

  • Just because I'm paranoid doesn't mean they aren't watching and listening, right?

    Correct! Remember, stereo speakers work both ways.

  • j cadej cade Posts: 2,310
    ebergerly said:

    I'll be very interested to see the state of the "free" internet in 10 years. We all want everything on the internet for free, but don't realize that somebody has to pay for all that free stuff. Making websites and hosting and servers and maintenance and so on. And the way they pay for it is thru advertising, the same that has been done since when "free", on-air TV started back in the 1950's. Nothing is free. 

    So as people find better ways to block ads, and over time the advertisers realize they're not getting the revenue they expected, and then websites can no longer survive. It will be interesting. 

    Personally, I get so tired of checking sites like CNN, and suddenly my speakers start blasting a video advertisement I don't want, and ads sprout up, and suddenly a full screen ad for CNN's latest show. What you expect to be news is now just advertising. I think the pendulum will swing....  

    I'm with you on that last bit. Autoplay video is the one thing I absolutely cannot stand. Ad or not. Non-obtrusive image ads I don't really care. Inevitably loud autoplay video on my phone using up data make me want to punch things
  • SpottedKittySpottedKitty Posts: 7,232
    ebergerly said:

    And the way they pay for it is thru advertising, the same that has been done since when "free", on-air TV started back in the 1950's. Nothing is free. 

    Yes, but TV adverts don't do this...

    ebergerly said:
    Personally, I get so tired of checking sites like CNN, and suddenly my speakers start blasting a video advertisement I don't want, and ads sprout up, and suddenly a full screen ad for CNN's latest show. What you expect to be news is now just advertising.

    Definitely a different kind of advertising — so much so, I don't think they can really be compared directly.

    Come to think of it, the only equivalent to intrusive online adverts I can think of is a rather infamous German publisher who's well known for inserting adverts for soup into their books. Not as one of those cheap card inserts between sections of pages — it was inserted into the text, the characters would suddently decide they were hungry, and nothing would satisfy them but a bowl of hearty 5-minute soup.

    Argleblargle.

  • larsmidnattlarsmidnatt Posts: 4,511
    edited January 2018
    Novica said:

    I usually read (and shop at Daz) on my iPad so I'm not sure how to do this. Some sites have a reader view but I think that may remove all images and videos too. I guess I'll have to play around with it. It just can get annoying when you're reading a serious news story and Sakura (as adorable as she is) keeps popping up everywhere...

    LOL it wouldn't be so bad if they'd show us all the gorgeous MALES Daz has. But I get the women, over and over. 

    I get the men too, about as regularly as they are featured here even. The men are gross though, so  I wish there was a way to block them. (at least certain ones. yucky yucky.)


    But  I agree with some others, I'd rather see sakura, that I already have, then medical products. frankly  I don't spend much online outside of steam and daz, so those are the only things advertisers have to sell to me.  And steam doesn't advertise to my knowledge  (they don't need to)

    AllenArt said:

    The easiest way to avoid this is to not sign into Google Chrome if you use it.

    actually this largely doesn't matter as they tie you to devices too.  its really helpful for marketers.  I can tell you its a feature that many brag about, nad from personal experience it happens to me all the time. Not logged in, using different user account, but they know at some point  I used the device so boom. 

     

    Mistara said:

    can't stop the ads on yootoobs though.

    do tablets use hosts file?  haven't owned a tablet yet. 

    I don't think iPads do.  or its really tough to edit as my  IT guys gave up on editing the ipads and instead changed our network settings to make it easier.  can't speak for android.

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  • ItsCeoItsCeo Posts: 471
    LOL. My post was censored. " thread has been removed as it carried the implication that a choice of clothing can indicate sexual availability." I am sorry I gave the impression that if I saw that exact thing on the street where I live -Las Vegas- that I would think 'hooker'.
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