OT: Amazon may be planning a YouTube rival

Ivy · December 2017

looks like Amazon maybe planning a new youtube likes platform.. we animators may have a new platform coming soon to upload & sell videos on.

https://www.engadget.com/2017/12/20/amazon-youtube-rival-amazontube/

ebergerly · December 2017

And I suppose that also means much smaller audiences for each content provider as some migrate away from youtube. I wonder how that will affect those who get revenue from their videos. Maybe they'll have to figure out how to handle multiple platforms, and upload to both.

Gator · December 2017

They could really become popular quick if they steer clear of political partisanship, but I doubt it.

AllenArt · December 2017

scott762_948aec318a said:

They could really become popular quick if they steer clear of political partisanship, but I doubt it.

Amazon???! Hehehehe...you're funny ;). They only know how to fight with Google. LOL

Laurie

ebergerly · December 2017

AllenArt said:

scott762_948aec318a said:

They could really become popular quick if they steer clear of political partisanship, but I doubt it.

Amazon???! Hehehehe...you're funny ;). They only know how to fight with Google. LOL

Laurie

Youtube is Google, right? This is about world domination. These are like the largest corporations in history or something like that.

Gator · December 2017

AllenArt said:

scott762_948aec318a said:

They could really become popular quick if they steer clear of political partisanship, but I doubt it.

Amazon???! Hehehehe...you're funny ;). They only know how to fight with Google. LOL

Laurie

I know, right?

Oh well.

grinch2901 · December 2017

I pay for their unlimited cloud storage service and they just unilaterally shut down the music storage today. Today. Without telling me. I just can't upload anything anymore. It worked yesterday. It's not a bug, I poked around and found recent news stories that it was coming. I'm not happy about it, especially since I paid for a full year of it in advance. Will I get some sort of reimbursement? Probably not but regardless I'm really most upset that I have to make sure I am not going to lose anything and download it ASAP unless they've gotten rid of it already. I've lost trust in their services as a result of this. Were I a youtuber, I'd stick to youtube.

nonesuch00 · December 2017

I have a ROKU MHL stick & it used to rock. You could watch shows like Gumby & Pokey and marvel at the pure weirdness of them without excessive commercials; but now you get 10 - 15 minutes commercials for every 5 choppy, pixelated minutes of Gumby.

And YouTube is headed the same way.

outrider42 · December 2017

If you have heard of the so called ad-pocalypse 1 and 2, youtube did several things to drastically cut payouts for youtube creators. They did this several ways. For one, they straight up slashed the amount per view they paid. But that was not enough. They also started to demonetize tons of videos, even seemingly family friendly videos would get demonetized. A video that gets demonetized is exactly that, the video will not make you a single dime. For some youtubers, this was happening with every video they posted as soon as the video was posted, and they would have to file a complaint with youtube for each video in order to get it monetized again. The huge problem is that for the vast majority of videos, the first 24-48 hours is the period when many videos get their views. So by the time the process of getting a video reinstated again is done, the damage has been done.

The end result is that many youtubers have had their pay checks cut in a half or even a third of what it was prior to these changes that took place this year. So there is a lot of frustration out there in the youtube community right now, and if there is a time for a competitor, it is now. Some youtubers have moved to more direct support by using Patreon. However, starting in 2018, Patreon will be doing some things that also looks to create major problems. Basically, Patreon is applying sort of a tax on donations, which could well push many low paying patreons away. So instead of paying just a $1, now you will have to pay like $1.35 to donate that $1 (PLUS 2.9%, so actually $1.38.) Patreons who pay just a $1 are the bread and butter of many who use it for support.

So if Amazon puts a better system in place to pay the content creators, then content creators will make the jump. Even if it means they get less views, it would still be possible to make the same if Amazon pays enough.

At any rate, we certainly need some competition in this space. Youtube has gotten lazy, and it is a mess.

ebergerly · December 2017

It will be interesting to see if this whole youtube business model survives in the future. They provide an incredibly popular (and probably incredibly expensive) platform for people to provide free videos for mostly entertainment purposes. And they get money thru ad revenue. Which means "free videos" are increasingly included with the incredibly annoying pop-up ads.

But ultimately people are getting less and less willing to pay for their entertainment. And I don't know about you, but I can't recall ever actually buying anything that appeared in any pop-up ads. So if the free videos aren't very good (and let's be honest...), and people don't buy from the pop-up ads, and content creators aren't getting enough revenue, is this something that can survive?

A friend of mine has a channel where he provides engineering and software training videos. He does it because he enjoys it, but doesn't use ads and doesn't get (or want) any revenue. He just likes doing it. But this year he gave up the whole thing because of the "entitled" response from some of the audience. He'd spend all the time and effort producing, for example, a 1 hour video giving a step-by-step showing how to write some particular software app to do some engineering stuff. And he'd actually have people asking him to send them the code he wrote because they didn't want to do it themselves. And maybe they had a school assignment and needed the code for that. Unbelievable. And of course most viewers only watch the first 4 minutes of any youtube video, so those who work so hard on quality stuff see the average view length for their 1 hour videos (I think he has maybe 30 or 40 videos) is only 4 minutes, so why even waste your time?

Yeah, some people make a living at it, but from what I've seen it's very difficult. You have to post a few times a week in order to keep the interest, and you have to design your stuff to grab the attention of people who are only interested in clickbait. So almost by definition, it doesn't promote quality, but rather just entertainment. And entertainment is something people can be very very fickle about, so I guess we'll see where everything lands in 10 years. It'll be interesting.

Ivy · December 2017

outrider42 said:

If you have heard of the so called ad-pocalypse 1 and 2, youtube did several things to drastically cut payouts for youtube creators. They did this several ways. For one, they straight up slashed the amount per view they paid. But that was not enough. They also started to demonetize tons of videos, even seemingly family friendly videos would get demonetized. A video that gets demonetized is exactly that, the video will not make you a single dime. For some youtubers, this was happening with every video they posted as soon as the video was posted, and they would have to file a complaint with youtube for each video in order to get it monetized again. The huge problem is that for the vast majority of videos, the first 24-48 hours is the period when many videos get their views. So by the time the process of getting a video reinstated again is done, the damage has been done.

The end result is that many youtubers have had their pay checks cut in a half or even a third of what it was prior to these changes that took place this year. So there is a lot of frustration out there in the youtube community right now, and if there is a time for a competitor, it is now. Some youtubers have moved to more direct support by using Patreon. However, starting in 2018, Patreon will be doing some things that also looks to create major problems. Basically, Patreon is applying sort of a tax on donations, which could well push many low paying patreons away. So instead of paying just a $1, now you will have to pay like $1.35 to donate that $1 (PLUS 2.9%, so actually $1.38.) Patreons who pay just a $1 are the bread and butter of many who use it for support.

So if Amazon puts a better system in place to pay the content creators, then content creators will make the jump. Even if it means they get less views, it would still be possible to make the same if Amazon pays enough.

At any rate, we certainly need some competition in this space. Youtube has gotten lazy, and it is a mess.

Indeed .. well said

nonesuch00 · December 2017

I've been hoarding DVDs since 1999 and most I've never watched yet but the convenience of some YouTube offerings was in the past too good to ignore but not anymore with the excessive commercials.

I am glad that the music videos offerings are being improved mostly via this 'VEVO' offering of old music videos. I had only ever even seen and bought a DVD of the Eurythmics old music videos in the stores long ago. It's not a niche that lends itself to the excessive price I paid for that DVD (over 20 CHF), LOL, so I guess others didn't follow suit.

Ivy · December 2017

ebergerly said:

It will be interesting to see if this whole youtube business model survives in the future. They provide an incredibly popular (and probably incredibly expensive) platform for people to provide free videos for mostly entertainment purposes. And they get money thru ad revenue. Which means "free videos" are increasingly included with the incredibly annoying pop-up ads.

But ultimately people are getting less and less willing to pay for their entertainment. And I don't know about you, but I can't recall ever actually buying anything that appeared in any pop-up ads. So if the free videos aren't very good (and let's be honest...), and people don't buy from the pop-up ads, and content creators aren't getting enough revenue, is this something that can survive?

A friend of mine has a channel where he provides engineering and software training videos. He does it because he enjoys it, but doesn't use ads and doesn't get (or want) any revenue. He just likes doing it. But this year he gave up the whole thing because of the "entitled" response from some of the audience. He'd spend all the time and effort producing, for example, a 1 hour video giving a step-by-step showing how to write some particular software app to do some engineering stuff. And he'd actually have people asking him to send them the code he wrote because they didn't want to do it themselves. And maybe they had a school assignment and needed the code for that. Unbelievable. And of course most viewers only watch the first 4 minutes of any youtube video, so those who work so hard on quality stuff see the average view length for their 1 hour videos (I think he has maybe 30 or 40 videos) is only 4 minutes, so why even waste your time?

Yeah, some people make a living at it, but from what I've seen it's very difficult. You have to post a few times a week in order to keep the interest, and you have to design your stuff to grab the attention of people who are only interested in clickbait. So almost by definition, it doesn't promote quality, but rather just entertainment. And entertainment is something people can be very very fickle about, so I guess we'll see where everything lands in 10 years. It'll be interesting.

I think maybe that is why tv service like cable is fading away because of streaming internet services. I mean how many times have you try to watch a movie on TV lately? A 2 hour movie on TV usually will have 45 minutes worth of commercials on a cable or network tv. , where as Amazon prime I'm usually just shown 1 ad at the beginning of the movie. and no other interruptions during the movie, unless I pause it to go to the bathroom. DVR help speed through commercials that you get on Cable/Sat TV but you still have to fast froward through them.

That is properly whyI love my Amazon prime account, I can watch movies & tv shows on my phone , Kindle -tablet, laptop and PC and my through my TV using a firestick. where as cable/sat TV you are very limited on what you can access, on what devices.

That ever growing device Market & added it with that mobil convenience is IMO a good reason why place's like YouTube and Amazon had a un-tapped market they could take advantage of. Youtube was ahead of its time, But as technology gets better more competition will pop up for those same content creators looking for a place to show their work. I just read somewhere where that Microsoft is looking into adding content created video services to its cloud as well (I could not find the article I was reading so I don;t want to spread gossip so strike that line). .But Its a new revolution and how people want to get their entertainment and streaming media is where is happening. .

ilseturnbull · December 2017

If folks are interested in something like Patreon, or donations (you can't call it donations if you use paypal, better to say something weird like buy me a coffee or whatever) I'm looking into this plugin for wordpress. It's free to use (open source) and you don't have to give them a share. You have to use some way for people to pay you and that usually takes a portion, but at least you're not paying 2 groups. I don't know everything about this plugin, but it's probably worth a look.

I'm not sure if I can post the live link so I put in spaces -
https:// wordpress. org/plugins/give/

ebergerly · December 2017

Yeah, it's tough to find decent TV and movies. Personally, between the ridiculous offerings on Spectrum TV (geez, the stuff is from the 70's and 80's most of the time, and it plays over and over for weeks), and Amazon Prime (IMO, it's not much better than Spectrum with the few and older offerings), you pay thru the nose for not much benefit. Geez, I think I'm paying like $150 a month for internet and TV, and I almost never use the TV. And the included Amazon Prime content is so limited (older seasons of the good shows) that anything more recent costs more.

And youtube, aside from a few decent tutorial channels (which generally, over time, tend away from real quality stuff towards attracting clickbait so they can survive), has become a bore, IMO. I find it kinda funny with guys like gamersnexus, who clearly prefers real quality and factual content, is now getting into the clickbait topics to get more views. Seems like he's always biting his tongue, trying not to say how ridiculous the stuff he's reviewing is because he knows his audience thinks it's awesome.

Seems like in spite of all this "new, free content" we're probably actually paying more for what used to be really free, on-air TV.

BTW, does anyone remember the days when daytime was for going outside and doing stuff, and TV was for the evening? You never needed 500 channels because you were busy doing stuff rather than sitting there being entertained.

Griffin Avid · December 2017

Patreon walked back the sponsor charges and nixed that new pay structure.

Amazon. Another platform to post content? Sure. Let's do it.

Even better if it links to the creator's Amazon account(s) with related stuff(s) to sell.

Might be incredible news for artists. Both music and traditional media.

Not sure if it will usher in an era of 'Amazon-made-movies' and other in-house-spun features and series.

I know youtube started making thier own content- although I don't remember if that's a thing now.

Ivy · December 2017

ebergerly said:

BTW, does anyone remember the days when daytime was for going outside and doing stuff, and TV was for the evening? You never needed 500 channels because you were busy doing stuff rather than sitting there being entertained.

Yes in fact me and my Hubby were just talking about that very same subject..lol All my grand kids wanna do now days is plays video games day & night

ebergerly · December 2017

ebergerly said:
All my grand kids wanna do now days is plays video games day & night

There was a hilarious South Park episode, where the guys walked in the room where their baby brother was with his friends. I guess if Stan and Kyle, etc. are in their early teens, the baby brother and his friends were maybe 6 or so. And they noticed that the babies weren't actually playing video games themselves, they were watching other people on youtube play video games. And the babies made fun of Stan and Kyle as being "grandpa's".

I guess that's the new thing, watching other people play video games. Go figure.

Ivy · December 2017

ebergerly said:

I guess that's the new thing, watching other people play video games. Go figure.

I think there actually there are already a few networks that have tv shows that is dedicated just for gamers that people can watch , like G4, GinxTV, Viceland.,Gamenetwork. etc

Daywalker Designs · December 2017

ebergerly said:

Seems like in spite of all this "new, free content" we're probably actually paying more for what used to be really free, on-air TV.

It's never been truly free, even when you weren't having to pay to access the channels. It's always been paid for in some manner, whether through advertising, or some other method.

ebergerly · December 2017

ebergerly said:
It's never been truly free, even when you weren't having to pay to access the channels. It's always been paid for in some manner, whether through advertising, or some other method.

Yeah I suppose that's true. Like when a 30 minute TV show was only actually like 20 minutes long because they had 10 minutes of commercials. So I guess the annoying youtube popups aren't nearly as bad. Although the quality of the free youtube content isn't quite what you'd get on broadcast TV either, so as always, you get what you pay for.

anise_leinen_390fa63a2b · December 2017

The YouTube app won't work on an Amazon Prime TV after January 1st. :( OTOH, I'm spending WAY too much watching YT that way, and while a lot of it is worthwhile... film theory channels being the best... some of it is... um... not. I mean, has anyone seen this thing??? 10 HOURS LONG. yes, it's a 10 hour version of that one-half second clip of the Porg. (Not actually saying I watched more than 30 seconds of this... but you see the point. ;)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4Bla8B_cfw

outrider42 · December 2017

Ivy said:

ebergerly said:

I guess that's the new thing, watching other people play video games. Go figure.

I think there actually there are already a few networks that have tv shows that is dedicated just for gamers that people can watch , like G4, GinxTV, Viceland.,Gamenetwork. etc

Of those, G4 and Gamenetwork are long dead, and the other two are international channels not available to most of the US. I think the reason they died is due to one basic reason, they were not interactive like games are. Youtube and especially Twitch offer users the chance to interact directly with the video uploaders, which is suitable for a generation who grew up with interactive games. Plus at least with G4, it really fell out of touch with its base in a misguided effort to increase viewership (Baywatch???) As a side, G4 started out as TechTV, and man was that channel fun for its time. It was much more than just games, it was as its name implied, about technology and wonderfully geeky about it.

Gaming on youtube is HUGE. Whether it be competitions, guides, tricks or just goofing off. Youtube's biggest channels are almost all gaming. Youtube makes bank on gaming.

Interestingly Amazon already owns Twitch, which is largely dedicated to live streaming games. So I was a bit surprised that Amazon is not trying to use Twitch to compete more directly with youtube. Many Twitch users will upload their previous streams to youtube, so in a lot of ways the two have overlap.

As to why people would watch others play video games when they could play them? That is quite easy. Why do people watch sports on TV? The answer is the same. You are watching a performance, whether it is the skill of the player or the personality, you are watching a performance. They may be reviewing a game. They may be teaching strategies, like if we watched a video showing some Daz Studio techniques. There's lots of reasons why somebody would watch it.

nonesuch00 · December 2017

I remember GIGA.de in 1999 on Zurich cable television and it was just computer and gaming tech talk so that is a genre with staying power ib many countries. I believe it is still on the air.

firewarden · December 2017

grinch2901 said:

I pay for their unlimited cloud storage service and they just unilaterally shut down the music storage today. Today. Without telling me. I just can't upload anything anymore. It worked yesterday. It's not a bug, I poked around and found recent news stories that it was coming. I'm not happy about it, especially since I paid for a full year of it in advance. Will I get some sort of reimbursement? Probably not but regardless I'm really most upset that I have to make sure I am not going to lose anything and download it ASAP unless they've gotten rid of it already. I've lost trust in their services as a result of this. Were I a youtuber, I'd stick to youtube.

I do the same - unlimited cloud storage, plus pay for music storage (pretty sure it was a separate charge). Saw that music storage was going to shut down, but the news show said in two years. Guess I need to research this!

ghastlycomic · December 2017

outrider42 said:

If you have heard of the so called ad-pocalypse 1 and 2, youtube did several things to drastically cut payouts for youtube creators. They did this several ways. For one, they straight up slashed the amount per view they paid. But that was not enough. They also started to demonetize tons of videos, even seemingly family friendly videos would get demonetized. A video that gets demonetized is exactly that, the video will not make you a single dime. For some youtubers, this was happening with every video they posted as soon as the video was posted, and they would have to file a complaint with youtube for each video in order to get it monetized again. The huge problem is that for the vast majority of videos, the first 24-48 hours is the period when many videos get their views. So by the time the process of getting a video reinstated again is done, the damage has been done.

The end result is that many youtubers have had their pay checks cut in a half or even a third of what it was prior to these changes that took place this year. So there is a lot of frustration out there in the youtube community right now, and if there is a time for a competitor, it is now. Some youtubers have moved to more direct support by using Patreon. However, starting in 2018, Patreon will be doing some things that also looks to create major problems. Basically, Patreon is applying sort of a tax on donations, which could well push many low paying patreons away. So instead of paying just a $1, now you will have to pay like $1.35 to donate that $1 (PLUS 2.9%, so actually $1.38.) Patreons who pay just a $1 are the bread and butter of many who use it for support.

So if Amazon puts a better system in place to pay the content creators, then content creators will make the jump. Even if it means they get less views, it would still be possible to make the same if Amazon pays enough.

At any rate, we certainly need some competition in this space. Youtube has gotten lazy, and it is a mess.

Basically came to say this. If Amazon creates a video system that is more beneficial to creators it could siphon off the source of Youtube's content enough that Youtube has to start treating their content providers better than its a big win for creators and viewers.

More competition is better than less.

ChadCrypto · December 2017

outrider42 said:

Ivy said:

ebergerly said:

I guess that's the new thing, watching other people play video games. Go figure.

I think there actually there are already a few networks that have tv shows that is dedicated just for gamers that people can watch , like G4, GinxTV, Viceland.,Gamenetwork. etc

Of those, G4 and Gamenetwork are long dead, and the other two are international channels not available to most of the US. I think the reason they died is due to one basic reason, they were not interactive like games are. Youtube and especially Twitch offer users the chance to interact directly with the video uploaders, which is suitable for a generation who grew up with interactive games. Plus at least with G4, it really fell out of touch with its base in a misguided effort to increase viewership (Baywatch???) As a side, G4 started out as TechTV, and man was that channel fun for its time. It was much more than just games, it was as its name implied, about technology and wonderfully geeky about it.

Gaming on youtube is HUGE. Whether it be competitions, guides, tricks or just goofing off. Youtube's biggest channels are almost all gaming. Youtube makes bank on gaming.

Interestingly Amazon already owns Twitch, which is largely dedicated to live streaming games. So I was a bit surprised that Amazon is not trying to use Twitch to compete more directly with youtube. Many Twitch users will upload their previous streams to youtube, so in a lot of ways the two have overlap.

As to why people would watch others play video games when they could play them? That is quite easy. Why do people watch sports on TV? The answer is the same. You are watching a performance, whether it is the skill of the player or the personality, you are watching a performance. They may be reviewing a game. They may be teaching strategies, like if we watched a video showing some Daz Studio techniques. There's lots of reasons why somebody would watch it.

I stream to twitch and youtube at the same time games and art (drawing,3d,game design) . I also like watching people play games, some games I will never play, mostly because I don't have a console. so it's one way to see a good story without having to go through the trouble of buying a console. I like the idea of Amazon competing on a larger scale. youtube has gotten quite crazy lately with their new algorytms and screwing over their user base.

drafter69_696b99e42b · December 2017

I love the idea of more choices.... Amazon is a powerful company and will offer things that YouTube can't (or will not) so I say.."bring it one"

Ivy · January 2018

Hi folks I have some very sad news I got from google today.

I won't post the personal email & announcement notice I got from Google today. But Google does have a public posting if anyone is interested in reading the new guidelines on the google creators blog for YouTube partners. It appears with the notice I got this morning that google has moved the goal post for us small time YouTube creators to remain a google partner. . As a google partner you now have to have over 250,000 watch time minutes or equal to 4000 watched time hours in 10 months Plus a 1000 new subscribers a year in order for us to keep our partnership programs or to maintain our google tools to sell & track our videos ..To me this is very very sad news for small potato operations like me. Because there no way I can compete with dumb cats riding vacume cleaners, and people sticking pencils up their noses with my silly daz animations. So I was informed that Google is cutting my Daz animations from the Yotube partnership programs because they defined my animations A "bad actor" in the YouTube partnership programs taking( or stealing) revenue from bigger content creators, which whom are complaining about small creators like me taking their viewers and ad revenue. So with the limited ad resources youtube now has it had to make some new policy changes. As it stated in the new policy changes over view that google posted ..

So because of this new unrealistic policy goal change. there appears to be a large out cry over this because millions of small creators like me who will be loosing our google partnership in February. Not much good it will do. Because it is googles ball and game, so they get to make the rules . But this is very sad for me because I have enjoyed using google for the last 12 years to show my hard work using daz studio & poser. and this new policy really just sucks the life out of wanting to create animations for YouTube anymore .because I will be limited on how long my animations can be & my protections from content thieves will be gone. so anyone can claim rights to my animations.

I'm not going to bash YouTube. YouTube was a great place to show off what we could do and make a little money for our efforts, so we could continue to buy more content to make more videos. those days appear to be out of reach for me now and I am very sadden by it. its kind of feels like being fired or downsized.

So in my search for a new home for my animations this morning, faith seems to smiled on me and I found a site called twitch.TV by Amazon and contacted a Amazon rep through a chart window about it. and believe it or not they called and I exlpained my predicament . They were very helpful & once I am ready they are going to help me set up a twitch/amazon prime sellers account. twitch is something Amazon has been very successful for gamers and other game animation video content creators to sell and stream videos on. Yes there are some minium guidelines and some minor restrictions same as google. but the goals & quota's at this time are not nearly as impossible to are reach, as the googles bar that has been set. Plus thankfully Amazon actually have people to help you to navigate the process to attain advertisers, stream and sell your animations & be successful with Amazon prime & twitch.

I do not know if I will be accepted into the program or even if I can make as much as i use to from YouTube. This is a new road for me to travel & is very new way to me of doing things. I am in the process of trying to get this set up and work out the details of the guideline policies, and requirements and I'll keeping my figures crossed it will work out that I can sell my Daz animation here as well as I did on Google., I also have to make a few changes to my website to meet amazons API embbeding requirements.

Why am I am doing all this you ask? My hope is to be successful enough to continue to enjoy the buying habit & the amount of 3d content that I always have in the past from what I made off my Daz animations revenues on YouTube.. As small amount as my revenue was, it was a big help in buying additional daz 3d content for me so I could continue to make fresh new animations with new content regularly . I have been creating animation for over 8 years without any help from sponsorships or any other partners programs other than yotube so been a rough road trying to be successful. now appears if i am to stay with google its will be much harder .it is of little comfort to know I am not alone with this issue.

So If there are other small time DAZ animators like me & are in the same boat with loosing their google partnership program because of the unrealistic new goals & quotas' Google has set for us to maintain being a YouTube partner. Then Amazon twitch.TV maybe something to looking to to see if its right for you. I am very sadden by this turn of event indeed and that is all I can offer in comfort to those like me loosing their YouTube partnership accounts.

wolf359 · January 2018

The cost of running server farms & Data centers is very high.
It is simple economics.

A for profit entity cannot continue to run a worldwide "free" service
at a loss ,as Google has, since they aquired youtube in 2007.

It is it nothing personal against the "little guys"

Just look at the vast number of shows canceled
from all of the major TV& cable networks each season
for the last decade.

They were determined to be not profitable for the network
based on not meeting certain rigid numerical targets.

Quality of the content/shows is not the issue here.

It is the view numbers .

Google can not continue to run youtube like some free sideshow
in the village square.

If it is to compete with the major networks it has to operate
like the major networks.. that is the reality.

Those who wish to keep their youtube partnerships
will have to meet their numerical targets just like any
sitcom ,Drama or sci fi show trying to stay "on the air"
on any of the major media outlets.

Those who fail will have to find alternative distribution outlets
Much like all of the actors/writers from canceled shows like "Dark Matter"
Had to find new gigs.

The nature of "Show business".

Ivy · January 2018

like I said its their ball game and they can make the rules its does not mean I have to accept them.

BTW wolf I believe in free enterprise and freedom of choice. Social networks use to be about community, acceptance & friendly competition, . now its all about who has the biggest wallet. if the big guys are complaining the little guys are stealing revenue from them, Then the big guy should step up their game, not whine and cry until the little guys is squashed under a bunch of heavy handed unrealistic rules & quota's. that could never be met by the average joe.

Your right I have 2 options. I keep posting content on YouTube for free under heavy restrictions on the content I upload so they can make money off my videos and work while I make nothing. or stream my videos else where even if i don't make money from the new service, But neither will google or will it bring them in new viewers that are following the stream regularly . it is a trade off i guess.. who's it really going to be the loser in the end? time will tell that tale. I just know from expreince, when a mass of people who over a long period of time once enjoyed a way of making money with a like minded social network service that changed to eliminate smaller competition, from the long time running social network then really everyoneis the looser in the end. anyone remember myspace..lol

I won't be posting any more of my animation shorts to YouTube, I'll use youtube like you do for explainer videos and demos reels & use video stream service that I can work with to sell my animation short

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