High Heels In Spaaaaace...!
Xenomorphine
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Seriously, why do we keep seeing otherwise relatively practical combat or futuristic-themed costumes which either force the female character to wear literal high heels or, even stranger, give her a flat sole, but still force her foot to be posed as if wearing an arched high heel?
I was hoping it would end with Genesis 2, but there were a number of otherwise fantastic outfits which did this for genesis 3 and I'm seeing it in the Genesis 8 line-up, too.
I'm genuinely curious why this pattern keeps getting repeated, because I can't imagine I'm the only one who almost goes to buy them until I notice that feature. It prevents sales to me, as a customer, not makes them more likely. If they're there for the coolness factor, then, surely, at least make them optional? Rendering some high-tech espionage operative or armed soldier just looks silly when they're toddling around with high heels on. :/ Especially if it's over something like running over uneven terrain or driving something where the heels could get stuck between pedals and flooring.
Plus, it tends to cut down on the number of compatible pose sets a customer would have.
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Because it sells. If it didn't, content creators wouldn't do it. It's the same reason that we see bizarre fantasy armor instead of functional medieval armors, at least the vast majority of the time. If folks didn't want the high heels, they wouldn't buy it. Supply and demand. Personally, I agree with you. The lack of truly logical, functional and historically accurate armors is one of my peeves, for example. But... Supply and demand.
Because you can't run away in 6+in heels.
I buy these ridiculous outfits only if I see I can kitbash sensible footwear with them.
I've seen women wear heels in the most dubious situations. Climbing mountains, playing sports, there are even popular dance classes teaching dancers to work'it in stilettos. And how many women have you seen complaining about their feet because of wearing heels (a purely optional wardrobe item)? I've seen a lot. Seen a lot of foot bruises too. So I think a woman wearing heels on the space station is a plausible style choice for them, even if it is beyond practicality. Because some women must always look fierce. Actually, this is great fodder for a story.
The high heels thing drives me nuts too. I open the web page, see a cool suit and then BLAMO, &(*&$#$ high heels. Same goes for female Rangers "Time to climb cliffs and cross uneven terrain, better put on my four-inch heels". If the content creator had options for boots that would be awesome.
It stinks when you aren’t the core market.
Instead of being annoyed when people cater to the lucrative market, my suggestion is to laud and feel fortunate when people take chances on more marginal stuff.
(and believe me, I have a long list of interests that place me squarely outside the lucrative mainstream)
Totally agree with this thread and with not being this core high heel/vixen market. I certainly appreciate the creative work designers have done, just not for me. I was literally just searching for Gen8 basic shoes for Male/Female... ugh.
It would be great to have a set of core clothing basics (from Daz Originals?) that can be used as a starter or then morphed (purchase) to the extremes. I tend to keep things basic and paint the ridiculous if the illustration requires it. I know it sounds boring but sometimes basics are better (eg storyboards)
I don't purchase any armor that has high heals.
http://daz3d.com/neo-high-boots-and-high-top-sneaker-for-genesis-8-female-s
Like these?
+1
To a lot of women high heels are the basics.
Given the nature of human vanity, when space travel becomes commonplace and space suits become less bulky and cumbersome, I would EXPECT designer spacesuits. And given some women will want to look 'sexier' than others when wearing such spacesuits (regardless of practicality or function) some designer/manufacturer will offer options on the spacesuits for those purposes. Like High Heels. Or gold filligree on the seals. Monogramed fabric. Leopard print suits. Diamond studded whatevers.
It WILL happen. Human beings are WAY too vain and self-conscious about appearance and want to look 'better' than others. They want to show off or enhance their appearance. Spacesuits will be NO different.
Here's just one of the more 'interesting' next-gen designs.....it uses textile weave to generate pressure rather than gas. Tell me some women wouldn't want a high-heeled version......
link to article: https://www.quora.com/Which-companies-are-working-on-new-spacesuit-designs
I would not. If I'm going to be exploring an alien planet or navigating possibly slippery space station/ship tile floors, I want a good, solid, flat, servicable boot, with plenty of traction. Thank you very much.
Good point. There will likely always be some women demanding fashionable clothing, even if it's a space suit.
I kinda get it. Times I want to strive for more realism... then I remind myself most people don't want that. They want the fantasy & the sexy. Heck, I look at the femal armor where she's covered from head to toe and I get kinda bored with it myself, even if it's an excellent image.
Same here.
I think its silly, actually lol I cant even take these types of complaints seriously. In a world where dragons breathing fire and mages wielding magic are the acceptable norm, we're going to be pedants about warrior women in heels. Honestly, if Im going to bank on realism, warrior women in heels is prolly the MOST believeable of the three. And yes, you can fight in heels.... esp if you are used to wearing them a lot.
I have no use for the impractical cutouts and garters on a space suit. Survive the post-apocalypse with 90% of your skin showing? Good luck! But yet I want the high heels. And the more silly the location while wearing those high heels, the more it entertains me. But then most of the shoes in my own closet are heels of some sort, so...
At least wedge heels won't get caught on the deck plating.
But that really depends on the person and the circumstance. If you're going exploring, and that's one of your primary reasons for being there, then yes, sensibility probably rules. If you're a tourist, wandering around and exploring for fun, then it really does depend on the person.
Just as a f'rinstance: I live in Chicago, and we are known to have some periodically brutal winters. One time recently, we had a snowstorm followed by an ice storm, and all was snowy and icy and slick. While I was out and about the next day, I remember being astonished to see more than one person (usually, but not always, women) with some of the most sincerely impractical winter footwear I have ever seen. I mean, I did not know they made winter boots with spike heels and platform soles and heels! It seems like setting sail on the SS Suicidally Slippery, somehow. And yet, they were all managing about as well as anyone else. (And, given that a lot of professions have -- quite unfairly -- rather different requirements about what is considered "professional wear" for women and for men, a lot of them may have felt required to wear those boots, especially if they didn't really have time or flexibility to change from sensible boots to something with heels for inside wear.)
To be sure, for things that don't include poses, variety or options would be nice. It would be nice, for example, if the boots for the new Stealth Siren outfit morphed down to a flatter heel, although I think they squared the flat-soles vs high-heels argument about as well as can be done without actually lowering the heel. That said, there are enough relatively flat-soled boots and shoes out there that it's possible to combine and shader things to work with outfits. THAT said, one of the things that made me slightly sad was that the boots for G2F's Nox Aeterna took a very strong dislike to Cross-Figure on my system, because those are some awesome high heel boots, those are. (Also, perfect for hiding knives in interesting places.)
Yeah, high heels never auto fit very well, sadly (coz of how they are rigged) It can be done, but there is voodoo involved lol (nah not really, but u have to bake the foot pose)
I'm a guy. High heels look awesome and sexy on women. I don't care whatsoever how impractical they might be. Especially cuz most of this stuff we render is fantasy anyway. And personally, the less a woman looks like a guy the better. Big cloggy guy shoes? No thanks. But clearly I'm the only one who feels that way. Most think it's silly or impractical. Even though they're big sellers. Go figure.
Speaking of sexy girls in space...anyone remember Barbarella? Yeah....
Because people like me buy them
(These are old V4 images BTW)
I even started a comic series "LA Girls in Space," so for me they are useful. Not everyone is going for realism...
Alicia, some of those high heels on your website are REALLY impractical. Nice
I remember when I was a kid my mom lived in high heels, but by the early 90's even she had given up for more comfortable foot wear. I don't remember the last time I saw a women in high heels where I live. It's not very practical for my area and this time of year they would break their neck. Where I live high heels have sort of gone away along with having to change your clothes to go into town. People dress down more now. I remember as a kid having to put on our Sunday best, now everyone goes to church in blue jeans.
Also take into consideration the stronger female leads in fiction in general. No longer are women consigned to sit and wait to be rescued by some dude. A lot of times the stories being told the females are rescuing themselves, not waiting on same man to come along. When was the last time you went to a fantasy fiction or sci fi movie and a chick was wearing high heels with their battle armor? Katniss Everdeen may have had high heels when she was being paraded around to the public, but when she hit that ring she had good sturdy boots.
I work with fantasy fiction authors and most of them have strong female leads, there is no way they would let me put a chick in high heels on on of their covers. One of the reasons why I don't buy armor with high heels - I can't sell it to MY clients.
Sucker Punch. Sadly.
There is that
Thanks!
The heels could be weapons too LOL...
Yeah, I think that's the case all around. I think it used to be a sign of respecting yourself and others to look your best in public. Now not so much. Kinda sad....