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lol Why do people keep saying this? G3F and G8F base morphs are the same morph.
I'm pretty sure most people equate the "base" figure with Victoria 8. It comes from V4 being a "base" figure.
Ah, I see. Well, it's quite inaccurate then. The Genesis 8 figures are built off of base Genesis 8 and NOT Victoria 8, correct? So to keep saying "I hate the base G8F, it's so much uglier than base G3F" and "the reason why G8F characters are so ugly is because the base G8F is ugly" is just nonsense and I've seen people repeat that nonsense over and over. It's been many years now, as far as I can tell, since all the characters where morphed off of VICTORIA - people need to get it out of their heads and stop repeating inaccurate stuff.
Some folks are stuck in their ways, I suppose. And there are characters that do use Victoria, Monique, etc. as bases, so there is some basis for that, though it's still not entirely accurate.
The G8 series definitely has a "look" to them, though. People probably see it and think it's because of the base model. I doubt most people use the actual base long enough to take a long look at it.
You're probably right about that. I create my own morphs so I'm used to looking at and working with the base Genesis 8 figure. You're probably right that many people probably don't use her very much.
You are correct. I was mistaken. When G8F was released I got an orange banner deal on V8 so I bought that and really never used either for much except a couple of renders. But somehow when I think of G8F I think of V8 since that's what I rendered and I don't care that much for her look. Some do, some don't. I don't. That's all I meant. My real point wasn't about the look of the model but rather the fact that I didn't see anyhting that made me jump up and say "I've got to start from scratch with a new model and re-buy all the stuff I bought for the old one because this is a feature I just absolutely have to have!"
I guess a lot of people think that way - that would explain why I often hear people talking the way they do about "base G8F" or "Genesis 8 Female" in general in ways that make no sense. lol And I think Agent Unawares is right - it probably mainly stems back from Victoria 4 days when V4 WAS the base female figure and all the characters were morphed from her.
I actually like all the generations for one reason or another. If I had to pick my least favorite it would be Genesis. I was on the fence about G8 until I saw how good the facial expressions were. I've moved 90% of my G3 female figures up and am working on moving V4 up to G3 so I can move those up to G8 as well. I don't actually NEED anything at this point. being able to transfer everything up means all of my wardrobes are, for the most part, usable. Doesn't mean I don't still buy stuff but I could not and still be perfectly okay, which is nice.
Which method do you use to transfer G3 to G8, if you don't mind me asking? :) I've tried a couple different methods and I'm still looking for the "best" and easiest way (best meaning least distortions - particularly with more extreme morphs) and easiest because like most people, I want to be able to do it without too much of a hassle or too many problems. lol
Thanks for asking that question before I could. After dealing with the numerous idiosyncrasies of GenX (although it xfers impeccably), I have been even more reluctant to take up SingularBlues' G3toG8 method in light of the issues I've read about.
Here is a link that is very similar to those other tutorials except it concentrates on transferring the morphs only so maybe that what avoid some of those weird 'autofit to base figure' problems people get from time to time?
I've not used it much but I've found it much easier to do than the others (which often messed up the mouth, teeth, and lips and made me repeat two or three times till I got it right). The 1st half/part of it you can skip in most cases.
https://3dcyan.wordpress.com/2017/07/28/transfer-morphsg8/
I want to transfer Morpheus & Toon Generations 2 to Genesis 8 because I'm sort of doubtful they'll be doing a new version of those so soon after Genesis 3.
Oh thank you! I look forward to trying this method out. :)
I generally prefer Genesis 3 overall, because I have the most stuff for it and I'm too lazy to move every single morph over to Genesis 8, lmao.
That said, what I use Daz for, I pretty much use everything I can get my hands on: Genesis 3, Victoria 4, David 5, Laura 3, Monique 8... (even non-Daz characters like Dawn and Baby Luna. Dusk is too much of a bulky butterball for me to use) I don't limit myself to just one generation or figure set entirely. And with programs like CrossDresser (which sorely needs an update, as it's showing it's age, bad), Marvelous Designer and Blender, fitting clothes not native to one generation to another is fairly easier, though not without its problems.
But I often prefer to use Genesis 3, simply because there's more variety and utilities out there for it. Time will tell if Genesis 8 has the same staying power.
I use the method in the thread with Redz and Singular Blues. Once you do the initial set up of the figures, I saved the clone and scene so I don't have to recreat it every time. Once that's done, its very simple and very fast, I can probably do 15-20 characters or more a night easily. It really only takes a couple minute per character. I don't bother converting the skins because they apply perfectly from the G3F folders anyway.
The one biggest thing right now is that one has to work harder in Poser to get a similar result (although, in the scheme of things, that's not really a downside much...lol). I made gem shaders for Poser Superfly same as I did for Iray and in some cases they look better than the Iray shaders, but I had to set up a LOT of nodes to get there ;). And unless you're node savvy (which I am not), it can be very difficult and frustrating. Other than that, there's really not much difference between the two programs. They both have dynamic cloth now, but Poser still has hair and the morph brush and bullet physics. Even so, I got so used to DS in order to learn it for Iray that I never really returned to Poser, even though I'd been using it for 18 years..
As for V4, I think the reason for her longevity was stated early on in this thread - she's the last Poser-native Daz figure and therefore lasted the longest with the most continued support. I also think, like others have speculated, that the reason for that longevity no longer exists and that it will take something equally as important for another figure to survive as long as she did. Personally, I never took to V4 or M4 and only have a mere handful of content for either one, so investing in Genesis 1-8 was an easy thing for me to do. LOL.
Laurie
I use a little bit of everything from Genesis to Genesis 8 (heavy on the Genesis 8).
Laurie
Gen 1 is very versatile and useful ... excellent morphs, genesis 3 uv for gen1, ultimate skin manager, all zev0 stuff for gen1, as well as all v4 stuff -- characters and all v4 morphs -- that can be transfered via Genesis Generation X.
a hackintosh would have been an option for you
Still Genesis 1, with all its marvellous morphs. My children are getting bigger, they eat more food, less hobby budget :-) Can't really justify spending another few thousand dollars to upgrade to stuff my computer doesn't like to run, anyway, just because there are a couple of lovely g8 outfits.
Saying it aloud just makes it more obviously silly. I would be better off with my time and money to learn to model new stuff for my characters. Every once in a while, Daz offers up something older I can use, or newer that works with what I do (and a deep and sincere thank you to all the artists who still include 3Delight mats for their sets!)
New tools come out all the time for arts&crafts; the value is based in what you do with them, not in their inherent newness.
I've picked up a lot of G8F stuff, but I have to say that I keep going back to G3F for my primary characters. Honestly, I didn't like V8 all that much and until Monique 8 came along, the only thing that G8F seemed to do really well was serve as a base for younger characters. Then we had the explosion of older and character base figures and the G8s finally found their niche. But even so, I've found the G8 males to be really vanilla when compared to to their G3 counterparts and still use the G2Ms for teens more often than not.
Personally, if G8 had never happened and those same characters had come out as G3 bases, I'd have actually been a lot happier, as most of the "benefits" of the G8s have turned out to be more marketing hype than practical improvements, especially the additional facial bones that, for all their additional movements, often create extremely unnatural expressions.
I'm not sure what issuse you were having, but the 4.11 betas do address an issue with Pose Controls soemtimes causing the figure to jump within the scene.
That's good to know. I really like Genesis 8 and it has more content that I need for my work. Posing and IK were troubling for sure. Another issue is that mixamo animations and other free BVH can't be applied to Genesis 8. Hopefully, someone will come up with a script for that. Those animations could've saved me a lot of time if I had enough Genesis 1 or 2 content.
There was a chnage to the way bones were matched between BVH fils and the current figure which at least some people reported improved their importing - that is certainly in the current Release Build, 4.10.0.123, and has been theer for a few versions now.
Hi Richard,
Maybe you would know this since you mentioned 4.11. I have all these G3 characters from buying the G8 bundles this past year, but I find myself only using G8 for animation because the posing works way easier in terms of being able to use the power pose thing. All the joints are movable there, whereas with G3 figures, I can't get them to move with the power pose. Is this something that's been changed in 4.11 and G3 can be posed with the power pose? It would be amazing to be able to use the characters than more just a background character that doesn't need to move that much, there's so many cool characters I have. Thanks!
I have started using Genesis 3 more due to the some of the HD morphs that were made for it though I still use Genesis 2 quite often.. The only issue with Genesis 3 is transferring V4 characters to Genesis 3 via Genx2 I get the eyes rotating out of the socket when using the eye side to side control, and no idea why..
If you can, get ZBrush Core, or ZBrush and make your own clothes/morphs it's really easy to do as there's no real box modeling involved simply a stroke of a brush, (It's called digital sculpting for a reason!) but you're still looking at a $150 or $900 investment!
Yes, ZBrush has been on my wishlist for ages... but I can't justify it for my hobby, as much fun as it is. I did win a copy of StrataDesign, but it only runs on Windows 10, so I can't use it right now - it says it's easy for 2d people to use, and that sounds about my speed :-) I have done some small, simple models in Hex, and I did watch some tutorials for Blender. It's just hard to stay focused when my brain says, "But we could make a really neat picture if you'd just boot up Daz...!"
Bad brain. ;-P