Do I actually need a certain figure to use HD morphs?
DrowElfMorwen
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I want to get this product https://www.daz3d.com/lucian-7-hd-add-on Mainly for a Genesis 3 character, but I do not have Lucian 7 at all. But all logic tells me this product will work just fine anyway. Will someone verify if that's the case? I mean all I should need is Genesis 3 male for this, right?
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The details will work on any G3 Male; I have the V7HD morph and have used it on a number of other G3F figures.
So what are they, exactly? Are they just normal maps? Seems repetative and just a rip off if they're releasing HD packs for this-or-that character and all it is is a normal map. Which if it is, means you probably shouldn't have more than one anyway.
Also, thank you for your answer!
Not the same as normal maps. What they do is actually make the base morph, then use that to make a more detailed version of the morph that uses subdivision to enhance the level of details.
You're welcome.
Ah ha, very interesting. I think I might get that Lucian one, as it seems more beneficial to me than the generic M7 HD morphs.
Yes, but you also have Victoria 7 right? I think you need the figure the HD was designed for in order for it to work (even on other figures).
You do not need the base figure for the HD details to work. There won't be any base morphs, it will just be the fine details. In many cases, these can look *really* odd without the base morphs. Oftentimes they are designed to go with the specific materials of a character as well (for example, my own Cillian has two HD morphs for scars with materials that go with them-- you can use the morphs without the mats, but it'll look really weird). If you look at the HD morphs on a character's fingers, they will often be designed specifically to coincide with the wrinkles on the maps. One thing you could do, for example, is dial in Victoria's base shape, but then use Olympia's mats and HD morphs.
I actually did something similar to what you described; I dialed in Tween Julie and used the Victoria 7 HD morphs and the material presents from Growing Up in several images I've posted here in the forums in the last 24 hours.
Okay, I have to say my experiment turned out horrible... LOL.... shoot. I guess I'll have to buy Lucian at some point, now. Using the HD morphs without him as the base was... bad.
I'm working on a character that uses Fujio, a character of Kenji 7, and Kenji 7's HD morphs aren't realistic enough nor detailed enough to bother buying. :/
I use the hd of various characters without the base all the time. Michael 7s and Leo 7s hd were both useful as they provide small additional details
Yes but he's talking about buying an HD for a character he doesn't have and then using that HD on the base Genesis figure. I don't think that works, as I think you have to own the figure the HD was designed for in order for it to work at all, right?
Wait, so does that work? Does the HD work without you having to buy the figure it's designed for? Because I was always told that it doesn't work at all without the figure the HD was made for.
You don't need to have the base figure the HD morph was created for apparently. ChangelingChick above said that's not the case, and since she's a vendor I guess she would know...hehe. I would think though that not having the original maps especially that the HD morph would be fighting with a different characters bump and normal maps. I have done it myself though, so I know it can be done.
Laurie
You don’t need the 7 figure the hd was designed for to use the hd.
Ahhhh I've been lied to! :( I was told it didn't work at all without the figure it was designed for. That sucks, because there have been some great HDs that have gone on pretty deep discounts I could have snatched just for the added detailing it could give to my characters. Poop. Whelp, now I know. :(
Thanks, Serene Night and Laurie and CC.
But sometimes HD details will not look right or will look outright terrible when the figure isn't dialed in.
I seem to recall Michael... 5, I think? Was like that.
I wonder how an HD morph like Ivan 7 would look. He has some great wrinkles and stuff in the HD, but don't know if that would look ok without his morph.
and especially without his texture.
Laurie
Here is an example :
G3M + G3Mbase skin + IvanHD :
That's actually not bad! Decent ageing! Next time that's on a good sale I'm picking it up. Thanks tulipe - I appreciate you taking the time to render him. :)
If a texture set has fine details on the diffuse textures or normal maps that do not align with the HD morphs the result can look horrible. IMNSHO HD morphs are only useful on creatures and other extreme characters.
It's admittedly an edge case, but hd details can really help with procedural skins, to give detail that you'd normally see from maps.
As with my case... My model's 'mother figure' was Kenji 7; using Lucian's morphs looked downright ugly and unusable, unless dialed in extremely low, like at 10%.
This sucks cause I want some HD skin details that work across all characters.. basic skin details. For example, Mavrosh at deviantArt always has INSANELY DETAILED skins for her characters, and I have no idea how she does it (https://mavrosh.deviantart.com/) but nothing in any regular character pack will give you such nice details.
Personally, I think HD details for characters should be included with them already; trying to sell Kenji HD morphs at 30$ is a total rip off, especially when you're bascially getting no worthwhile changes from it compared to other HD packs (and those still aren't worth $30).