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  • ghastlycomicghastlycomic Posts: 2,531

    If after this week's Star Trek: Discovery's incredibly idiotic "Breath Scanner" 

    I'm still kind of surprised nobody's reprised Space:1999.

     

     

    I believe there was a "Space 2199" movie pitched but it ended up in development hell.

    Off all the past sci-fi shows I would love to see get a reboot it would be Starlost. A reboot more true to Ellison's original vision and taking into account new scientific and technological discoveries would be fantastic considering how baddly botched the original one was.

  • TraceSLTraceSL Posts: 544

    This has turned into a stron Science Fiction show.  Stories are great. 

  • InkuboInkubo Posts: 745

    If after this week's Star Trek: Discovery's incredibly idiotic "Breath Scanner" 

    I'm still kind of surprised nobody's reprised Space:1999.

    I believe there was a "Space 2199" movie pitched but it ended up in development hell.

    Off all the past sci-fi shows I would love to see get a reboot it would be Starlost. A reboot more true to Ellison's original vision and taking into account new scientific and technological discoveries would be fantastic considering how baddly botched the original one was.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space:_2099

     

  • RawArtRawArt Posts: 6,079

    I am curious how badly this show would be picked apart if it was actually billed as part of the ST franchise......I think alot of the love for it would turn to hate LOL

  • DaWaterRatDaWaterRat Posts: 2,885
    RawArt said:

    I am curious how badly this show would be picked apart if it was actually billed as part of the ST franchise......I think alot of the love for it would turn to hate LOL

    You're probably right.

    I don't know that I would, however.  I was expecting a (possibly affectionate) parody of Star trek with overly padded stories to stretch out a half-hour's worth of lowbrow comedy to fill an hour slot.  What I found was an homage to TOS/TNG era Star Trek with a strong dose of incongruent pop culture humor (plus some lowbrow comedy, but not as much as I'd expected.)

    My initial distrust was built far more on McFarlane's reputation than on whether or not it was Star Trek.  Despite what some of my old HS friends think, I was never that much of a Trekkie, so at worst I would have said it's too much of a retread of the older shows.

    On the other hand, considering how dark Sci-Fi seems to have gotten lately, that was, as I understand it, sort of McFarlane's plan.  A return to when space was a setting for wonder, not a battleground, but without the artifical "utopia" Rodenberry imposed on the Federation.

  • jestmartjestmart Posts: 4,449

    TOS; "The World is Hollow and I Have Touched the Sky" with a bit of "The Return of the Archons".

  • OstadanOstadan Posts: 1,130

    And actually, quite a better story than 'The World is Hollow', with homages to The Starlost and the classic Asimov story 'Nightfall'.  A very solid story, more than worthy of Trek.  Pity about the lame jokes.

  • Regarding the design of the ship "The Orville":  Am I weird and stuck in the last century, or does anybody else see what I see?

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  • dragotxdragotx Posts: 1,147

    Regarding the design of the ship "The Orville":  Am I weird and stuck in the last century, or does anybody else see what I see?

    Can't say that I see that.  Personally, I like her, I th ink sh e's one of the best designs on TV since Andromeda.  Better than most movies have put out in a while too if I'm being honest.  Jupiter Ascending is the only movie other than the new Enterprise that comes to mind.  I know that movie was very divisive, but those ships were beautiful

  • Regarding the design of the ship "The Orville":  Am I weird and stuck in the last century, or does anybody else see what I see?

     

    My first thought was it reminded me a lot of the Ori ships from SG1.

  • JamesJABJamesJAB Posts: 1,766

    Hey... I like the lame jokes.
    "A thousand light years from earth and you're still awkward in the elevator"

  • dragotxdragotx Posts: 1,147
    Morana said:

    Regarding the design of the ship "The Orville":  Am I weird and stuck in the last century, or does anybody else see what I see?

     

    My first thought was it reminded me a lot of the Ori ships from SG1.

    Huh, now that you mention it, she does look like an Ori ship backed into a cheese slicer a few times.  I do like her design though

  • MistaraMistara Posts: 38,675

    the orville has 3 engines.

     

    Charlize Theron was on latest episode.

    It's like they're testing out what direction to go in, they hit social issue, then next one was more violent than i expected.​

  • firewardenfirewarden Posts: 1,488

    The Orville seems like a rehash of ST:TOS, ST:TNG, etc., storylines. Feels almost word for word, plus (dated?) low-brow humor, and muddled message.  Not sure we'll continue to watch. Would appreciate some original plots. Good production values, tho.  Interested to know what folks think of ST:Discovery.

  • MistaraMistara Posts: 38,675

    tee heee  gordon endeared me lol

    krill is attacking colony planet,
    someone yells like 'there are families down there'
    gordon says like, in the same tone of horror 'there are single people '

    yayy for caring about the single people

  • I tuned in mainly because practically every entertainment critic in every major magazine panned it. So, of course I found myself liking it despite its flaws.  Yeah, it's a little schizoid how the tone veers from optimistic, straight TNG-style storytelling to crude and rude one-liners in a hearbeat. And I doubt it will survive more than a season or two given what seems to be an expensive set of production values. So I will enjoy it while it lasts. There are worse ways to spend an hour IMHO.

  • ebergerlyebergerly Posts: 3,255

    I'm a big Seth McFarlane fan, so I'll definitely watch this one. 

    On the other hand, I think there should be a law. It should be illegal on planet Earth to make any movie or animation or image that copies in whole or in part anything to do with Star Trek or Star Wars. If I see one more image or movie that copies those two genres I'll go nuts. 

    Geez, can't someone use their imagination and come up with something new? 

  • wsterdanwsterdan Posts: 3,071
    edited October 2017
    Ostadan said:

    The humor doesn't work for me.  Partly because I simply don't find most of the jokes remotely funny – but that's a matter of taste.  But also partly because it is very badly integrated with the science-fiction world that is proposed.  With science fiction or fantasy, there is a requirement that the audience in some sense 'believe' in the world (preferable to simply 'suspending disbelief', as Tolkien explains in an essay).  But every time we get a potty mouth joke, or a 'hip' black guy talking about walking in Compton, or basing not one but three jokes around calling someone 'a dick' (when did that become allowable on broadcast TV, by the way?) we are yanked forcibly back to our early-21st-century world;and pretty narrowly at that - these jokes probably won't play well even 20 years from now.  We must become consciously aware that this is just a show we're watching, and that they're trying to make us laugh.  It is an uncomfortable mixture that fails for me. 

    Note that Next Gen drew criticism along similar lines when dialogue became questionably anachronistic, e.g., Data is a toaster, or 'they hung up on us', which many viewers found jarring.

    It is a pity, because there's a good treklike show in there.

    Perhaps they’re not actually using those words, but whatever words they are using are “translated” into 20th- 21st-century “speak”? People speaking authentic English from the 17th century are often hard to understand for people growing up in today’s North America, so often language that was “current” is updated to something more understandable for  modern audiences, perhaps the same thing is done for us here, though in the reverse direction? Would we understand more or less if they used "authentic" slang from their period, where we might not understand half of what they're saying?

    I’m reminded of the title, “Harry Potter and the Philosopher’s Stone” being changed to “Harry Potter and the Sorcerer’s Stone” for American audiences only a few years ago because U.S. audiences might not be familiar with the term "philosopher's stone"...

    — Walt Sterdan

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  • wsterdan said:
    I’m reminded of the title, “Harry Potter and the Philosopher’s Stone” being changed to “Harry Potter and the Sorcerer’s Stone” for American audiences only a few years ago because U.S. audiences might not be familiar with the term "philosopher's stone"...

    That was beyond hilarious to me. Apparently Americans are so unlearned that we all missed the best-known alchemy story that exists, and Brits thought the best way to get around Americans having zero lore attached to "philosopher's stone" was to change the phrase to something with zero lore for anyone.

  • wsterdanwsterdan Posts: 3,071
    wsterdan said:
    I’m reminded of the title, “Harry Potter and the Philosopher’s Stone” being changed to “Harry Potter and the Sorcerer’s Stone” for American audiences only a few years ago because U.S. audiences might not be familiar with the term "philosopher's stone"...

    That was beyond hilarious to me. Apparently Americans are so unlearned that we all missed the best-known alchemy story that exists, and Brits thought the best way to get around Americans having zero lore attached to "philosopher's stone" was to change the phrase to something with zero lore for anyone.

    I don’t believe it was the Brits who changed it, but the American marketers (movie and book). A number of other British names and phrases were changed as well, to make it more “Americanized” for the U.S. audience.

    — Walt Sterdan

  • agent unawaresagent unawares Posts: 3,513
    edited October 2017
    wsterdan said:
    wsterdan said:
    I’m reminded of the title, “Harry Potter and the Philosopher’s Stone” being changed to “Harry Potter and the Sorcerer’s Stone” for American audiences only a few years ago because U.S. audiences might not be familiar with the term "philosopher's stone"...

    That was beyond hilarious to me. Apparently Americans are so unlearned that we all missed the best-known alchemy story that exists, and Brits thought the best way to get around Americans having zero lore attached to "philosopher's stone" was to change the phrase to something with zero lore for anyone.

    I don’t believe it was the Brits who changed it, but the American marketers (movie and book). A number of other British names and phrases were changed as well, to make it more “Americanized” for the U.S. audience.

    — Walt Sterdan

    You're probably right that the publisher wanted the change but Rowling is definitely the one who picked "Sorcerer" over something that retained the meaning -cough-ALCHEMIST-cough-

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  • OstadanOstadan Posts: 1,130

    My favorite (sorry, favourite) Harry Potter translation to American was when a 'pot plant' became a 'potted plant'.

  • ebergerly said:

    ...Star Trek or Star Wars. If I see one more image or movie that copies those two genres I'll go nuts. 

    Geez, can't someone use their imagination and come up with something new? 

    Trek used a lot of pre-existing science fiction themes in its storylines, and Star Wars a lot of visual / film-format themes in the productions. Copying copies isn't too much of an artistic crime. wink

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