Angel's Secrets not fitting V7 well
tkz
Posts: 149
it looked pretty nice... so i picked it up... but it seems both the top and underwear aren't fitting my V7 very well.
The underwear band is off by nearly a whole inch (if it were real life size)... and the bra is off by about half of that...
It has some adjustments built in.... but fixing any of the problems attached with them introduces new problems of other parts of the garment going inside v7 and being clipped.
Shouldn't clothes, especially underwear, snap to the model a lot better than that? Am I doing something wrong / missing something...?
Daz 3D is part of 
Connect
DAZ Productions, Inc.
7533 S Center View Ct #4664
West Jordan, UT 84084
Licensing Agreement | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy | EULA
© 2025 Daz Productions Inc. All Rights Reserved.
Comments
Bra is not that much off for me, panties are the same. Also both full presets for G8F load corset (preset 2 should probably load bra). Also, if panties and bra load with black material, I would assume that choker would be black as well, which it isnt, so perhaps material mismatch as well.
As for the panties, autofiting G8F version to V7 (with "unsuported" and "none") gives better fit than G3F version.
Edit: Ah, thats not black material. For both G3F and G8F, brassiere and pantie1 probably load with reversed normals since they are black on outside surface and material color on the inside surface. I didnt see it before because I loaded them on the figure so I didnt see inside surface.
I'd put in a support ticket. If it's not fixed then request a refund. Daz is good about refunding if you want one as long as you request it within 30 days of the purchase date.
It seems the sizing is perfect for G3F... but it doesn't seem to adapt to v7 without spending a ton of time making small adjustments... if you can even find a combination that doesn't clip.... not seeing anyway that i can think of to get it to snap to her.
Not really liking the idea of having manually adjust them in every pose...
Sent in a support ticket...
Promo page mentions figure supporting morphs for G3F version, like FBMVictoria7. Panties 2 have them, panties 1 does not have any.
For anyone else that runs into this...
A temp / cheap trick work around seems to be undersize the garment while increasing smoothing iterations... but that does seem to require a bit more processing when you change other params on the figure.... and still requires manually getting the garment close...
Zev0's Fit Control would likely help with this. I picked it up a long time ago for a good price during a sale. I don't use it all the time but it's pretty indispensible for fixing fit issues when they arise (and the clothing piece's morphs, or lack thereof, don't alleviate the issue). You're right though, they should be conforming better than that so huge adjustments aren't needed.
In theory you can save the smoothing morph yourself so you don't have to wait for the smoothing everytime you move your poses
Can't remember in detail of how you do it but you can set smoothing to 100+ and then save it as a morph called FBMVictoria7 which will automatically adapt when V7 morph is used :)
Oh that would be much nicer than doing what I've been doing so far... Should collission iterations need to be changed too?
Still needing to manually adjust every pose... Any guesses on the probability of this being properly fixed + patched quickly?
Such a nice product - I can't go back... but i can't deal with having to spend that much time adjusting underwear... arrrrhh. Worst part is that it'll look fine in the preview, but then be buggy in the render.... so actually have to start rendering every pose to see if the latest tweaks managed to fix it.
Quick temp "fix", go into your library folder data/PA's name/product name (I don't know what those are as I don't have that set, if you can't find it open up the one of the files in genesis 3 female/clothing/angel's secret whatever it is in a text editor and you shoud be able to see the file path in there to the actual figure data. The bra and panties will likely each have their own folder in there, go into each one /morphs/PA name/base and look for FBMVictoria7.dsf, cut/paste those two somewhere else just in case things go sideways. (I use my desktop for temp things like that, though they'll both be named the same so you'll have to rename one of them so it doesn't overwrite the other)
Might have to restart DS if you had it open when you did that, and if you're going to load a scene you already had save a copy of that scene without the clothing on before you close DS... it has a nasty habit of remembering things. Anyway, old scene without clothing, or new scene, load the clothing and dial up V7.. since you removed the PA made V7 morph DS will auto generate one.. you said it fit V8 better, you can expect at least that good of results on V7. Might need to add a bit more smoothing modifier.
According to the file list in the readme
/data/Lesthat/V7S/V7S_Brassiere/Morphs/Lesthat/Base/FBMVictoria7.dsf
/data/Lesthat/V7S/V7S_Pantie2/Morphs/Lesthat/Base/FBMVictoria7.dsf
I gave up on it... waiting for support to get back to me so that I can get a refund... but haven't heard back yet. Compared to the real fit string bikini... it does not feel like it's anywhere near ready for release. The corsette and the thong at least make an effort to morph to V7 - not a good one, but any effort is better than starting off with G3F stock on V7's figure.
Although I really like the potential of the product, it's too much of a pain to work with. Every pose I have needs a ton of adjustment to get right.... The bra doesn't have nice smooth edges on the cup... actually has corners sticking out of it where it should be at it's smoothest. The pantie straps are very jagged, and fold weird when the legs bend.... very few adjustments, and most that are there are akward to work with.... and if i do manage to get it right, the frame takes 10-30 seconds to recalculate whenever i change anything else. (apparently there is a way to set that as a morph to avoid that, but haven't figured that out yet).
Just not worth it for the number of frames I have... which is sad... cause I was so excited about switching to it for a project.
I should have taken a much closer look at the promo images... little seems to fit much of anything well.... and if the creator is unable / can't be bothered to make the promos nice - it tells you a lot. They didn't even seem to bother to differentiate the G8 from the G3 items... nor stay consistent with which one is first... so it's a guessing game to see if you get the unsupported figure - or the unsupported supported figure.
If only there were reviews and ratings.... like virtually every other store in the world.
The problematic panties (panties 1 for G3F) dont have figure supporting morphs, meaning automatic transfer of FBMVictoria7 from the figure to panties is already happening and the result is ..well look at the picture in first post. One gets 1-3 cm of empty space between the figure and the panties on front, back, left, right side.
This set might interest you.. It's for Genesis 2 but it auto fits Vicky 8 quite well. I used it on all sorts of shapes for G2 and it never disapointed (it morphs really well without the need for specially made fit morphs). It doesn't have much in the way of adjustment morphs but it works so well it really doesn't need them. The only thing I changed for these renders was the bump the smoothing itterations up to 10 to smooth out the crotch area a bit. It doesn't have Iray materials, it was made before that time, I didn't make any changes to the surfaces here.. I think just making the specular color medium grey instead of white would be enough to get it looking good.
(I used Genesis 2 Female and "none" in the pop-up box for the auto fitting)
https://www.daz3d.com/basic-underwear-bundle
Here it is on Vicky 7.. same things I did for V8.
Thank you for the suggestion. But after I buy a product which quality is..unusual in negative way, Im much more interested in "absence of buying" than in "buy more".
I'm a little bit disappointed as well:
There are no morphs on the underwear with the thong whatsoever.
The bra loads in pure black, does not change color when I chose a different material.
Also fit is not perfect, it needs adjustment, but as said, no correction morphs whatsoever (at least on the thong underwear).
Yes, it can be cheated a bit by reducing scale and increasing smoothing/collision iterations, but that's a hack, not an actual solution. :(
I mostly bought it for the thong, but it's exactly that one which has no correction morphs, bummer.
Besides that, I really like it.
Yeh I can recommend these too; still using them.
One of the reasons they look good, is they have depth; a lot of 3D clothing only exists in 2 dimensions, the PA went to the trouble of giving the illusions of depth, and it is very convincing. The images posted by the OP show the absence of depth very well; it kills believability, at least for me.
Thanks @niccst for the suggestions... but those are a little too close to granny underwear for the project I'm working on.
My hunch here is that the creator made a product for G8, but since I assume demand for G8 is very low, they added in some hacks to make it G3 friendly... which they seemed to have failed on.
I love how it's supposed to look.... but I'm not going to waste 20 minutes adjusting underwear in every one of my frames. (my frames aren't animated.... just sequentual renders with the same camera and lighting)
Indeed.
Yeah, I understand.. but do keep in mind it's a completely different PA that made the set I tested, Esha is known for really great quality.. I have not been the least bit dissapointed by anything I have of hers and I'm super picky.
@Fisty - good to know - I appreciate the tip!
I think having first purchased the real fit strink bikini, I have really high expectations for things fitting properly going forward... and having a lot of adjustments available. (to be fair, the bow dials kinda suck -> all most all seem to supersize the bow... but that aside, It's been a real pleasure to work with.)
After a while you'll get a good idea of who makes great stuff and who doesn't, a lot of stuff is somewhere in the middle but there are a few PAs I will buy things from without a second thought - Esha is one of them. And there are a few that I will avoid unless it's a style a >really< need, it's on a ridiculous discount, and I'm willing to go through the extra time and agrivation of using it. With the Angel set I think it's very likely that something got messed up in the refit to G3, as mentioned above.. and it probably happened at the packaging stage 'cause that would never get through QA.
Any idea how that black material can be fixed?
Edit: Mesh normals are indeed inverted. Is there an onboard tool to flip them in Studio?
Edit2: https://sites.google.com/site/mcasualsdazscripts8/mcjflipobjnormals
Edit3: It does not get better. Now I have the material colors, but can see through the object. I can also see through with the default normals. Something is really off on the Brassiere...
Edit4: And now I've messed up the model by trying to replace it with the fixed one. FUBAR I'd say. :)
*sighs* I'll use a different bra...
Sorry to bump it up, but I have the same problem - black material - on another product, the socks of "School Sports Outfits".
Just load the default "SSO !Set 1", look at the socks. left white - as it should be - right one is black and stays that way. It's the other way around for the shoes.
That makes two broken products in a single week, I'm not used to this at DAZ. :(
A colleague of mine got this the other day and asked me what on earth was going on with the shoes/plimsolls/whatever - to me it seemed the PA just mirrored the geometry to create the other foot (I forget which was borked). Now, mirroring geometry is no bad thing - but you gotta remember to flip the normals! I went into the geometry editor, selected all the surfaces for the 'broken' foot and right-clicked in the viewport > Geomertry Editing > Flip normals of selected polygon(s) then saved it as a separate wearable for her.
This is from memory - I don't have access to her computer right now to double-check but it sounds about right.
It's things like this that should be picked up in QA. I got a partial refund on another item the other day - major texture issue but morphs were still usable. Grrr. Maybe if Daz moves staff from the refund department to the QA department they'd need to refund less ;)