Mature characters for G3F
snowsnow77
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Hi,
Does anyone have any suggestions for mature female characters for G3F? something in the 30 to 60 year old range.
Thanks!
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There's Opal for Genesis 3 Female(s)... Zev0's Aging morphs are really good, and let you dial in as much as you need to age any character: Aging Morphs 3 Merchant Resource for Genesis 3 Female(s).
Jun was just released at cgbytes and she looks quite nice.
She is also at Renderosity and I agree, looks very nice.
Something in the 30 to 60 year old range? Better don't let that hear your girlfriend/wife ;-)
Anyhow. Appart from the above mentioned (Opal by Saiyaness, Jun and the Age Morphs - all very recommended), you may look here:
- Besides the new Jun, the vendor Fredel offers "FD Odelle G3F" over at Rendo; more at the end of your age range.
- 3DA Lois from 3-DArena (also at Rendo) features a quite mature look.
- Zeddicuss and Tempesta3d have an older couple with "Edna and Murray" (also at Rendo).
- Most figures of RedzStudio (also at Rendo) will have no problems getting beer in a bar.
- Some figures of mousso (also at Rendo) could be well in their Thirties.
- Finally you might have a look at the store of RawArt. Although there are a lot of "creatures" there, you'll find Cosette their, who could be in her late Thirties. With the creatures, the Hag Witch, Vampellia and Demora might feature some interesting additions to the gen pool for aging.
Agnes G3 by Brahann over at rendo is a fantastic mature character face and body with great textures with age spots, yellowing eyes and nails.
Pp to about10% of youth morph, a little posture and not sure which product it is in, but Face Young dialled in the opposite way adds a decent amount of aging and makes a character reasonably petit too. After that it's some aging morphs.
A good part of the problem is older-looking textures, much harder to do.
The problem is that when you say mature, people tend to think you mean old. They aren't necessarily the same thing. Daz has a character FW Joanie which I felt came to the closest to hitting that sweet spot right out of the download, but she was Gen2. Both Mei Lin 7 and Monique 7 look mature in many renders and aren't that difficult to get believeable mature characters out of using Zev products.
The Jun character looks interesting, and I may give it a try. I fear that mature characters are never going to be the rage in present day Dazland, where characters tend to go from 18 to 80 without passing go, and there will never be as much variety as you have with model perfect base figures (at least where women are concerned). Though they say male figures don't sell, it's amazing how much variety you can get with the amount of figures that you have in both age and appearance.
Oddly enough,folks seem to disagree with me when I say that Victoria 7 is a mature character, for precisely the reasons you say; they expect them to look older, when that's not going to always be the case.
well I like to use all different adult ages and sizes builds in my renders fantasy and pinup and photo manipulatios hell I've done some of my mother both as photo manipulations and dazified her too and yes in some skimpy revealing stuff and yes she loved it and often asks me to do more and yeah gotta love zev0's stuff really helps adding that extra detail to a more older character. Love Mei Lin 7 she is a more mature lady between 30-40 years I'd say one of my favs. Ceridween by Saiyness is nice early 30s maybe, Rawart's Cosette also looks 30ish, his Vampellia maybe 29-33, FW Joanie (G2F) looks in her 40s maybe 50, FWSA MeeMoo 60-70, Gia (G2F Daz) late 20s-30s, Gia 7 late 30s-40s, Heroine late 30s-40s think Lucy Lawless looking, Lillitith 7 late 20s early 30s, the variuos hags here, Monique 7 late 30s early 40s, Opal by Saiyness late 40s 50s, and then on rendo look up an artist named Fredel they have one g2f named Odelle and a G3F version FD Odeele G3F and the newest one for G3F named Jun she is impressive these ladies would be about in their 50s-60s
By the way, wouldn't it be nice if we could filter the characters in store by age category? Child, Teen, Adult, Mature, Old? :)
Yeah, FW Joanie was the best. Opal is a good second if you need G3F. WOuld love to see Joanie updated for G3F!
I thought Genevieve 7 was a mature character.
Also, Rune's texture could pass for someone in their late 30's/40's. It would be nice tho, if the choices for the ladies were as varied as the choices we have for the men. Who knew the men would end up being the bringers of ultimate variety? LOL.
Laurie
For most people 30s/40s you will only be dialing in a bit of crow's feet and smile lines with the G3F/G3M head morphs and then add a bit of pudgyness, if you're doing the average, and you're done. Sure I've know people that were that age and much more wrinkled or white headed and so on but well that's not most people especially nowadays with most of the days spent indoors. I think for forehead wrinkles though you need the Aging Bundle, at lead I don't remember as part of the DAZ head morphs and same with double chin. The Aging bundle has lomg list of aged qualities most I'd never heard of but I guess are present in some people but not others.
A truly outstanding set of skins that hasn't been mentioned yet is Anain and AkashaBloodRiver's Mother and Daughters set at Renderosity. ANd, if you can wait a week or so, Zev0's new SKinBUilder set for G3F is going to have a lot of overlay effects for light to extreme aging, many of which can be applied to any G3F base UV skin. CHeck out the option in the first post in this thread: https://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/122281/skin-builder-3-merchant-resource-for-genesis-3-female-commercial/p1 .
Beyond any morphs, there tends to be a distinctive difference between the skin of 30-40 vs the 20 year olds. Weathering can't be done with morphs alone. So using the skins from the super youthful characters in the store wont really work. They will still look young. They might look kind of weird, like old people in video games often look. (Looking at you, Bethesda Software.)
Depending on the skin, I'd suggest increasing the bump maps to high values to potentially add that weathering a 40 year old might have. Lower it for youthful smooth skin. Results can vary based on the bump map detail, though. If it lack details, increasing its value wont yield much change. Go to the surface tab, click 'skin,' that will highlight all skin textures and you can increase the bump map strength on them all at once. Give it a try!
Of course we all age differently, most people think I'm still in my 20's. Not that I mind or anything!
Also, if you aren't afraid of digging up the texture files, adding "character" to skin is pretty easy. Moles, freckles, shaving marks and such are not difficult to add. This includes the bump maps I spoke of as well. A white dot on the bump map will become a noticeable bump in a render. A thin white line could be a scar that has long since healed, but is still just barely visible (again, using the bump map.) Those features would make sense on 30-40 year olds, without using any morphs or buying anything.
Look for models that have character in their skin textures. Some of Kayleyss' characters are really freakin' awesome, and highly versatile in how they can be used. Gwenilli is really incredible, and will easily make for a more mature (but not old) lady, especially if you increase the bump maps like I mentioned above. Gwenilli has some of the best skin textures I've seen in a long while, you can see the attention to detail in all the textures. Search for her thread in the forums, there's some great renders of her there.
While I mostly agree every time I've seen an attempt to do DAZ aged skin textures they look hideous exaggerately like the witch out of Grim's Fairy tales, it's not because of aging morphs unless they are dialed in too much. I haven't seen any video games except a few clips on you tube but honestly they look like a cartoonish 3DL using DAZ level V3/M3 tech of what, 15 years ago?
Even teenagers and younger have the beginings of crow's feet and other wrinkles so a good high resolution texture set is helpful but then all the Genesis 3 texture sets are so here we agree strengthening the bump, normal and other maps is a great way within reason to exagerate those wrinkles to get an older look.
So as outrider42 says you won't be able to use an 'almost' toon style character Guy 7, Girl 7, Aiko 7, Kenji 7 but that leaves a big stable of other characters still available.
To see that though you'll need head shots and really big resolutions renders and 'action type hero' activities cause people to interpret the hero type as younger than then really are.
Also it sounds silly but shrink the breasts and widen the waist just a bit. Don't need to make them look fat or masculine but more average.
Personally thanks for the remindeer to strengthen those maps for better aging effects that match the character. Since I mostly render toons I'd forgotten about that.
I get the impression that for mature and older characters in gen4 the age was nearly all in the skin. There was some morphing, but I don't think normal maps were so common, so most of the age was painted on. Looked fine from most angles, but sometimes fought with the lighting.
I picked up Jun G3F from Renderosity, and that's actually an issue she has, surprisingly. Apart from a slightly saggy bosom, all of her age is in her texture and not in her head morph. Which, given that Aging Morphs are a merchant resource and not hideously expensive, is kind of baffling. You wouldn't even need to include it as part of the sculpt, just dial in the age and package it appropriately.
In any event, since I do have Aging Morphs, dialing in age that keeps her from looking oddly smooth at different angles wasn't particularly hard.
I do think default Genevieve 7, Mei Lin 7 and Monique 7 could easily work for mid 30s out of the box, and Olympia 7 and Lilith 7 would do for early 30s.
Wow! Thanks for all the great suggestions and ideas!
@3anson
+1000
Child, Teen and Adult are not subjective.
Mature is only somewhat subjective, whereas old is completely subjective.
Dont forget Monika. https://www.daz3d.com/fwsa-monika-hd-for-victoria-7-and-her-jewelry
Interestingly my problem with gen 8 is the exact opposite of the problem you are having with gen 3, at least for the pro bundle characters, the majority of them are 30+,
I need characters under the apparent age of 30 for my player characters. Obviously there are some PA characters to make up the gap, but for daz originals the majority are too old for that.
Tweak the characters; you really should be anyway, otherwise they just look like anyone else's who uses the same character.
I have both of these and love them. Probably pushing at least the 60+ range though:
https://www.renderosity.com/mod/bcs/jun-g3f/120136/
And I also have his Odelle G3F character. Also very nice aged female.
Agreed!
I certainly will tweak them and combine them, but it would be useful to have more of my genepool in the required under 30 age range.
Anyway I dont want to derail this thread.
Considering the relative ease characters transfer between 3 and 8, why not use what gives you what you want/need?
... And back on topic: there have been a lot of releases that have encompassed 3 and 8; are there not some included there?
You could also check out: www.most-digital-creations.com he posts freebies in the freebies thread; I've had a couple of more mature characters from there.
I'm also curious about the mature thing; what details are missing? I know morphs can often give the feel of being older, so is it the skin textures?
Mature also depends on lifestyle, early-upbriging and probably genetics too.
The problem with the aging morphs is that they "age" every character in exactly the same way, and that is not realistic. Not everyone develops jowls or a double chin. I don't have either, and yet I have no problem looking old. So, I'm with the "roll your own" crowd.