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...for a more accurate Iray CPU render time test. set the maximum time limit to say 8 hours (28,800s), convergence to 99.9%, and iterations to 15,000 (those are my default Progressive settings).
I was tempted to do what you did and I've built systems before...I even built a BSD UNIX system back when FreeBSD was something like version 0.84. Unfortunately now new pc systems when the are self-built cost as much or more than preassembled ones. That is why I am going to see if a entry-level price Ryzen 1700 comes along (the 65 watt one) or I will buy the Acer Intel i5 7th Gen for $450. I've looked, I can't buy a newest motherboard, CPU, RAM, case, keyboard & mouse, power supply for less than $450 or even very close to $450 but I probably will self-built my next PC after this one though.
All default settings
iRAY Ryzen 1700 CPU only Slaying the Dragon
first run
2017-03-23 21:54:41.059 Total Rendering Time: 9 minutes 25.65 seconds
second run
2017-03-23 22:04:55.877 Total Rendering Time: 8 minutes 54.43 seconds
That's a bit dramatic. First purpose for people here is to use DS which doesn't care if you use Quadro or not. If you can afford Solidworks, Autocad, and other 3D softwares that do have a partnership with Nvidia for specialized drivers, I think you can afford to buy an Intel Workstation with many Quadros if needed. The good question would be wether Nvidia would provide some help to get both drivers working if asked. Especially if you buy three of their Hardware
I see no 8 core desktop from Acer. So why are YOU comparing a Ryzen system to the price of a low end Intel processeur with a limited motherboard that only has one PCIe x16 ?
First price from Acer with intel i7 7700 , 16 GB memory and an acceptable Gfx card is around 1000$. For 450$ you only get a Ryzen 1700 and 16 GB memory. Price of a 8 core intel destop is rather at least 2000-3000 $. I see the price advantage
There are some rumors of a 16 core Ryzen with more PCIe lanes. If that's true I guess some appropriate motherboard should come along
...if I tired to purchase the render system I'm designing through a custom house (you won't find such a workatation at Frys or Best Buy) with close to the same performance I'd be looking at about 7,000$ - 8,000$ (and that is with a single GTX 1080 Ti GPU not a Quadro). The dual E5-2667 v4 (3.2GHz) CPU set alone would run me about 4,400$. For this system I do not need state of the art Broadwell EP CPUs or DDR4 3600 memory, a couple Sandy Bridge E5-2690s (2.9 GHz) at 830$ for the two CPU set and around 900 - 1,000$ for 128GB of quad channel DDR3 1600 (8 x 16 GB) works just fine for my purposes.
I tend to shun off the shelf systems as often they have barely adequate PSUs, are in a case with poor cooling that is sometimes too small to accommodate one of the heftier GPU cards (unless it's gaming dedicated), don't offer the exact components I would like or need, are bundled with a tonne of crapware, and now all come with Windows 10.
Custom buit systems give more leeway but as I mentioned above, still cost more than a homebuild.
ETA
Oh tried to run a benchmark on that Dragon Slayer ready to render scene however apparently I'm missing some required assets even though I installed the complete bundle.
How this affects people running DS is that if they are going to purchase/use a Quadro then they should use the Quadro drivers since the performance of the Quadro using the GeForce drivers is going to be less than using a GeForce to start with. The cost premium for a Quadro over a GeForce simply is too great to end up with a sub-performing piece of hardware. Also, from at least the Maxwell forward Quadros, the OpenGL performance in DS is accelerated over the GeForce due to changes in the efficiencies in the way the cards/drivers handle the calls.
The performance between architectures has little to do with the CPUs involved but more with the chipset and design of the motherboard. A Ryzen should perform no less with a Quadro than an equivalent i7 with cuipsets that have equivalent features. When you get into bus mastering and multi-processor motherboards is where the Quadros really shine. I would expect that as AMD and nVidia start optimizing the drivers for specific Ryzen features that we may see an increase in performance on that platform simply due to the code not being generic.
As for the question about mixing the card types, nVidia recommends using homogeneous cards with multi-GPU setups just as they do for SLI setups. For me, having invested several hundred to several thousand dollars to install multiple GPUs, it only makes sense to follow the advice of the manufacturers.
Kendall
I did so because AMD is marketing there Ryzen 8 cores to consumer gamers. Face the facts, the prices and types of computers that places like Disney use aren't these overpriced $1000 - $3000 prosumer PCs.There is no price advantage for Ryzen CPU buyers because of markup elsewhere for other components as even users that have comparison shopped in these forums are stating their Ryzen 7 self-built PCs are coming in close to or exceeding $2000. Not at cost savings really.
which is why im waiting
I'm not sure what you are trying to argue here - I just specced a system with an Intel 6900K but otherwise similar to teh R1800X system I was looking at and it came to almost £3,200 - nearly £500 more than the AMD system. of course there may have been price fluctuations in the meantime, but if you want a system for more than gaming (for which both systems would be overspecified and would probably unperferform comapred to a 4 core/8 thread processor from what i gather) then the AMD has clear benefit. Though buying a fast CPU with a lot of RAM and a top end (consumer) GPU is not cheap.
Things are always marked up in the UK beyond their worth. You can buy a 4 core 8 thread Intel Gen 7 machine for $450 so this extra 3000 £ is to save money buying an Intel machine with 4 more cores and 8 more threads? Doesn't make economic or computational sense. You'd be better off buying 7 of the $450 Intel entry level machines computationally and creating a render server farm or 2 new Intel entry level machines outfitted with the best nvidia cards and have money left over.
I'm what some call tight fisted and others call me a cheap sob so I built my own and if I had gone with Intel it would have added another $800.00 to the system price which would have brought it up to approximatly $2700.00
For what use? Neither Iray nor 3delight in DS support render farms, except by exporting to a standalone version of the engine and those cost money that will quickly offset any saving - not to mention the space and power requirements. It's all about what you want, which depends on how you are going to use the machine - for Iray and gaming a basic quad-core/eight-thread PC with a very good nVidia GPU would probably be optimum, for more general use (especially in a situation with limited space for machines or software that doesn't support network rendering without additional expense) a more powerful CPU is a benefit - and there the Ryzen chips do appear to have benefits for some users. There is no absolute, all-round, best specification.
...well there is the 32 core Naples Server/Workstation CPU, but even at AMD's pricing it still won't be cheap. Imagine though having two of them for 128 CPU cores along with 256 GB of physical memory. Of course it is somewhat moot for us since the software we use does not support Linux.
I know what you mean however considering what's available on the market, if you want a single slot Gfx card with cuda capabilities, the most easy to get is a quadro single slot especially if you search for a card that has 4 GB Vram and has decent performance
BTW I had a look at Nvidia Geforce drivers and they also contain drivers for Quadros (tested on mine). So you can mix cards withoud driver modification and without driver conflict. Seems that the "don"t mix" belief is from an old age. That makes our discussion meaningless.
Please do it. Buy 2 or 7 cheap Acer and whatever you think is better and come back to share your experience so that we can run benchmarks and compare price, performance and reliability. I am sure your testimony will be of a great value to a lot of people
BTW the 450 $ Acer is a 2 core 4 threads
Cheap or not is relative if you compare to intel offering. The 16 core CPU is rumored to be around 1000 $ and aiming at rivaling intel x(2)99 platform. Naples is a bit too much for home use. I don't know why you think Naples will be Linux only.
...that's pretty much what it reliably supports from the tests I have read about. True it is overkill for average home user, though a 128 core render box with 256 GB of memory would be pretty shredding.
Then there is the fact that since Windows Server 2016, Microsoft has gone to a "per core" licensing instead of a "per socket" license. This will mean that using even a dual-processor Naples will need a much more expensive license than before.
Kendall
I guess that cost is part of the reason that MS is in the minority in the server market.
...yep.
Looking at the picture below I'm pretty sure Windows 10 will be OK with Naples and I don't think most DAZ users are needing a Windows Server
You just need Windows 10 Pro for dual socket Processor
About market Share I've seen no reliable source and it depends on the use. The Server Statistics I've seen are only about public web servers. I doubt there are a lot of Statistics of what is internally used in every company. In the company I work for, most OS are Windows based, and I just decided to migrate a lot of machines from Windows XP/Seven to Windows Server because of one unique feature : Microsoft Remote Desktop. Business Decision is not solely based on Licence Cost. Productivity of people who will use the system may be an important factor
Simple example : Gimp is very good and free but Photoshop seems unavoidable in media creation Business
Same goes for Microsoft Office. I use Libreoffice and tried to convert a lot of people. I don't remember to have succeeded even once
Active Directory does seem to simplify many of the processes; Open LDAP just seems like a pain over UNIX, but no experience there.
...until MS gets rid of the force fed updating, the bundled updates where you no loger have control of what goes on your system, dump the telemetry, and allow users to totally delete ridiculous bloatware like Cortana, W10 will never be on a system I use.
I can use W7 Pro for a dual socket system, just that I'm limited to 192 GB of memory whle W10 Pro supports up to 1 TB. if you can afford that much memory, why are you using Daz instead of 3DS, C4D, Lightwave, or Maya?.
...oh, and GImp is not software by subscription while it is able to support .abr brushes. Different programmes still are based on the same principles. They may have a different approach and UI, but the basics don't change
I'm not a huge fan of Active Directory but I have to admit it has it's advantages. Coupled with SCCM, Software deployement , administration and standardisation can very easy and quick.
Ms has already announced all future AMD chips will only get support from Windows 10. Not 7. They are already blocking updates on systems based on Ryzen. MS is trying to force adoption of Windows 10. You may not like it but you may also be forced to use it at a point in time. Especially if you don't have tech knowledge to do what you want. What will you do if your hardware doesn't work with Windows 7 ?
Softwares also evolve and I see many technologies from Windows 10 not available in Windows 7. If all the softwares you want to use adopt Windows 10 API you won't be able to stay back long I'm still on Windows 7 at home but I know I'll have to migrate sooner or later because some Windows 10 technologies are interresting.
I don't know what you want to say here.
...oh I realised that's what MS has been trying to do since July of 2015 because they don't want W7 to turn into another XP issue for them. I already disabled updating for W7, as last October they bundled all updates so one can no longer choose which updates to install and which ones to avoid. So for my purposes, they already ended extend support for both 7 and 8.1 six months ago. Fortunately I have a very beefy firewall and don't use IE. If it comes down to only W10 or Linux, I'll deal with the issues of Linux and Wine before allowing MS to take over my system and tell me what they think I need. For what I do I don't need DirectX 12 as I don't do animation, games, or stream films/video on my workstation.
The hardware I currently have works fine with W7. The render system I plan to build uses Sandy Bridge CPUs which are totally compatible with with W7 or 8.1 if I want to upgrade to more than 192 GB of memory.
...oh, and my comment on Photoshop was in reference to the fact it is now only available by subscription. It may be what the pros, media, design studios use and is able to do more than Gimp, but I'm not into subscription software and Gimp is good enough for my needs.