New PC
RCDeschene
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I just ordered a new desktop from CyberpowerPC with Daz-efficiency in mind for $1,510. Here's a rundown of the specs and tell me how well I did:
http://www.cyberpowerpc.com/system/VR_Ready_Deal_GTX_1070
BLKFRISALE1: CYBERPOWERPC Skorpion K1 RGB Mechanical Gaming Keyboard w/ Kontact Blue Switches and Programmable RGB LED Lighting [+5]
BLKFRISALE2: RAZER Abyssus Black Wired Optical Gaming Mouse + Goliathus Control Speed Gaming MousePad Bundle [+5]
CAS: CyberPowerPC AZZA 260S Mid-Tower Gaming Case w/ Full-size Tempered Glass Panel Window + 7 color RGB LED [-13] (Black Color)
CASUPGRADE: RGB Multi-Color 16 color LED 1x interior light strip w/ Remote Controller
CD: 24X Double Layer Dual Format DVD+-R/+-RW + CD-R/RW Drive [+17] (BLACK COLOR)
CPU: Intel® Core™ Processor i7-7700K 4.20GHZ 8MB Intel Smart Cache LGA1151 (Kaby Lake)
CS_FAN: 3X 120mm Case Fans for your selected case [+9]
FAN: CybepowerPC Asetek 550LC 120mm Liquid Cooling CPU Cooler (Single Standard 120MM Fan)
HD_M2SSD: 128GB Intel® SSD 600p Series PCIe NVMe M.2 SSD - 1800MB/s Read & 560MB/s Write (Single Drive)
HDD: 2TB (2TBx1) SATA-III 6.0Gb/s 64MB Cache 7200RPM HDD (Single Drive)
IUSB: Internal USB 3.0 4-Port Hub [+25]
MEMORY: 16GB (4GBx4) DDR4/3000MHz Dual Channel Memory (ADATA XPG Z1)
MONITOR: 20" Widescreen 1600x900 LG 20M37D-B 5ms LED Backlight, D-Sub, DVI-D & Analog RGB [+99] (Single Monitor)
MOTHERBOARD: CyberpowerPC Z270 SLI Xtreme ATX w/ RGB, AC WiFi, USB 3.1, 2 PCIe x16, 4 PCIe x1, 6 SATA3, 1 U.2, 1 M.2 SATA/PCIe [Intel Optane Ready] [+22]
NETWORK: Onboard Gigabit LAN Network
OS: Windows 10 Home (64-bit Edition)
POWERSUPPLY: 600 Watts - Standard 80 Plus Certified Power Supply - SLI/CrossFireX Ready
RUSH: Standard processing time: ship within 5 to 10 Business Days
SERVICE: 3 Years FREE Service Plan (INCLUDES LABOR AND LIFETIME TECHNICAL SUPPORT)
SLI_BRIDGE: NVIDIA HB SLI Bridge for GTX 10 Series [+49]
SOUND: HIGH DEFINITION ON-BOARD 7.1 AUDIO
VIDEO: GeForce® GTX 1050 Ti 4GB GDDR5 (Pascal) [-227] (Dual Card (NO SLI Support) [+128])
VIVE_HEADSET: None
WARRANTY: STANDARD WARRANTY: 1 Year Parts WARRANTY
This is a system I intend of having around for quite some time and will be making upgrades and adding components when finances allow it. Below are the specs for the gaming notebook I currently use for comparison:
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Not bad at all for a prebuilt system. I would have gone for a bigger SSD (my MSI gaming laptop has a 512 GB one) and double the memory (mt laptop has 32 GB), but the latter can be upgraded later. One thing I will suggest is that you consider swapping out that 2 TB HD for a similar size SSD when finances allow; that is the one thing I wish my MSI had instead of the regular type HD it has.
I was just thinking about buying a PC to run some Windows software that won't run in, for example, CrossOver or Wine. I'm a Macintosh User. Specifically, I want to run the new FaceGen Artist. I was just about to start a thread about what PC should I get, when I saw this thread. Is there a Laptop that's fast enough? Or, if not, what kind of PC should I get?
Is this -- SLI_BRIDGE: NVIDIA HB SLI Bridge for GTX 10 Series [+49] -- a graphics card to run iRay? I don't think I can get Nvidia cards in a Laptop, could I? But if I get a desktop PC, what Nvidia card or cards should I look for?
Laptops cost more and do less at any given price point; with the new nvidia cards that isn't as true as it used to be, but still relates.
AMDs new offerings might also change that; how desperate are, or can you wait?
I would hesitate to recommend anything less than a 10 series card if you need to render in IRAY; there are some older bargains out there - but they are mostly offering less RAM than the better (and much more expensive) 10 series cards.
Definitely up the ram. If yo're aleady dropping a grand and a half, then seriously consider goign to 32.
Ryzen seems to be beating the later gen I7s in multiple thread benchmarks, so it might, just perhaps, be a better choice for rendering and graphics in general. However, we'll know more as the Ryzens increadingly make it into the wild. Right now, you look to have a very solid setup.
As you state you ordered with Daz (presumably Studio) in mind, I've highlighted in bold the aspects I would most think about.
I've not highlighted mouse or keyboard; they are very important, but not just for Daz Studio.
To be honest, that huge list makes you look like you're getting a lot, but seems questionable practice by so many sites.
CPU is decent.
SSD is tiny.
HDD is a good size, but how much content have you? Folks fill those up.
More memory would be better, but it will be decent, and is balance with the rest of your system.
The same for the MB; it isn't a branded one (I presume), and tbh, the Asus, Gigabyte and MSI plus a couple of others might offer more versatility.
OS 10 home - annoying; pro is better if you must have Windows (and W10); it does cost more.
PSU - the most vital component in a machine for rendering; you need a better one imo.
1050ti don't know anything about this card so am not going to comment.
Monitor - hugely important (like the mouse and keyboard) and can affect one's health; this has limited resolution and is fairly small; if I was spending money on this, I'd look at PSU, Monitor and the SSD; I'd be tempted to scrap the SSD and just use a partition on the HDD - Yes things will load more slowly, but with such a small one, you're going to run out of space fairly easily. Although if you don't install much besides Daz you will have plenty of room.
This is perfect! Thank you for spelling-out where my improvements should be aimed!
As for everyone else included in here, you got me! Indeed, I really do wish I could have gone-out a wee bit more on the SSD, but I didn't want to say anything in my OP to bias opinion and was hoping for these very suggestions. I'm not too high of an in-come household, so I had to make myself agree to not much over $1500.
Now that that's out in the open, what would be an ideal do-do list of upgrade priorities? Mission 0 was obviously getting the thing ordered and in my posession so I can start paying it off ASAP. Mission 1 is without a doubt the SSD upgrade. How would you rank the others? Also, if anyone knows some good deals on parts, that'd really help me out in the strategy work!
depending on what you are doing.
If you are able to contian renders in CUDA for 4GB VRAM i will be good.
If you start branching out and making bigger projects then that VRAM is going to close up quick for a new system and if you get realy ambitious 16GB system RAM may start to show it's limits as well.
Also a 20" LCD is not that big any longer.
Also also why does your quote say SLI Bridge ($49) and Nvidia 10xx ($149) No SLI Support?
Here is my recommended changes:
Drop from the 7700k to the plain 7700, it should save about $30. Unless you are planning on overclocking, the K doesn't do you any good.
Also drop the SLI bridge for sure and I would switch to a single 6GB 1060 instead of the dual 1050's, while it might render a little slower it will be able to render much larger scenes so you will be using it more often.
Hopefully that gets you a system you like at a price you are willing to work with.
Just as a side note: If you are mostly doing IRay and already have a PC you should just be able to upgrade the video card in there and get 90% of the rendering performance of a top of the line machine with the same video card.
Thats a nice looking system. the system looks more than suficient . Though I thnk I would change the 600watt power supply for a larger one even maybe a 1000 watt one .I'm using a 1200 watt one . because of future upgrades and add on you may put into your system.high demand on low wattage power supplies tend to create more heat have a short life spand.
just my 2 cents take it for what its worth..lol
You should have asked before ordering. There are some points not mentionned :
- Are you still using a DVD Writer ?
- Screen resolution is not even Full HD
- Ryzen 8 core would have been better for 3delight but i7 may be better for gaming if that is also your intention
- I would have bought only one 16 GB memory stick or 2 x 8 GB and upgrade later. You'll have to ditch your current memory when upgrading
Here is what I would have bought from CyberPowerPC
CYBERPOWERPC Skorpion K1 RGB Mechanical Gaming Keyboard w/ Kontact Blue Switches and Programmable RGB LED Lighting [+5]
RAZER Abyssus Black Wired Optical Gaming Mouse + Goliathus Control Speed Gaming MousePad Bundle [+5]
CAS: Thermaltake View 27 black Mid-Tower Gaming Case w/ Gull-Wing Window Skylight View + 4x RED Riing Fans
CASUPGRADE: RGB Multi-Color 16 color LED 1x interior light strip w/ Remote Controller
CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 1700 3.0GHz [3.7GHz Turbo] Eight-Core 16MB L3 Cache 65W Processor
FAN: Corsair Hydro Series H60 120mm Liquid CPU Cooling System w/ Copper Cold Plate (Single Standard 120MM Fan)
FREEBIE_HD1: Free 240GB WD Green SSD with All Mechanical Hard Drive Purchase for Desktops [+0]
HDD: 2TB (2TBx1) SATA-III 6.0Gb/s 64MB Cache 7200RPM HDD [+23] (Single Drive)
KEYBOARD: AZZA Multimedia USB Gaming Keyboard
MEMORY: 16GB (8GBx2) DDR4/2400MHz Dual Channel Memory [+60] (Corsair or Major Brand)
MONITOR: 22" Widescreen 1920x1080 LG 22MC37D-B 5ms LED Backlight, D-Sub, DVI-D & Analog RGB [+120] (Single Monitor)
MOTHERBOARD: ASRock X370 Killer SLI AM4 ATX w/ RGB, Intel LAN, 2 PCIe x16, 4 PCIe x1, 6 SATA3, 2 M.2 SATA/PCIe
MOUSE: CyberpowerPC Standard 4000 DPI with Weight System Optical Gaming Mouse
OS: Windows 10 Home (64-bit Edition)
POWERSUPPLY: 850 Watts - EVGA 850W GQ 80 Plus Gold Power Supply [+25]
VIDEO: GeForce® GTX 1060 6GB GDDR5 (Pascal)[VR Ready] [+58] (Single Card)
Total 1505 $
Here is what you could have bought under 1500 $ if assembling the computer yourself
CPU AMD RYZEN 7 1700 3.0GHz 8-Core Processor $326.88
Motherboard Asus PRIME X370-PRO ATX AM4 Motherboard $159.99
Memory G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 16GB (1 x 16GB) DDR4-3200 $119.99
Storage Crucial MX300 275GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive $89.88
2nd Storage Western Digital Blue 2TB 3.5" 5400RPM Internal Hard Drive $68.89
Video Card Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1070 8GB Windforce OC Video Card $379.00
Case Phanteks Enthoo Pro M ATX Mid Tower Case $59.99
Power Supply Thermaltake 850W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply $64.99
Operating System Microsoft Windows 10 Pro OEM 64-bit $99.99
Monitor Asus VX228H 21.5" 1920x1080 60Hz Monitor $115.98
Total: $1485.58
The 1050ti is pretty weak for Iray, only 768 CUDA cores. Its a no brainer to get the 1080ti if you plan on keeping this for awhile and doing Iray, its without question the best bang for the buck. And if you plan on animating at any time, it would be a necessity IMO, in which case also get at least a power supply of 1000 watts, high quality, gold standard at least, don't skimp on your power supply, you put everything at risk with long renders with a poor power supply. You may need to handle long renders with no flux in power, and to handle possible upgrade to 2nd GPU in future.Don't make initial mistakes I made. I replaced watercooling, and power supply in past year due to heavy rendering.
I suggest keeping the 7700k even if you don't intend to overclock. The differences in base clock, 3.6 for the 7700 and 4.2 for 7700K, are worth the 30 bucks in my opinion. Turbo boost speeds also favor the K version. I second the advice regarding the GPUs.
- No. I haven't even used a CD all that much over the 6 years I've had this laptop.
- That's fine for the immidiate time. Luckily, I'm just doing toon-style renders for the most of this year, anyway.
- I'm beyond done with 3delight and I don't even play high-quality MMOs anymore.
- I intend on it after upping the power supply.
I guess one could say I'm a data-collector LOL
I've got tons of Daz items (although not as many as some others on the forums) and I've only used maybe about 10% of them. Much like my PC games. I've got well over 100 of them but most I've never even played. The only MMO I could ever get into was Star Wars Galaxies. I've tried a few of the other popular MMOs but just couldn't get into them.