What's the liklihood of getting this to work? (technical questions about hair)

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• glaseye Posts: 1,312

  March 2017 edited March 2017

  Maybe try loading the hair.duf file with D3D's DSON loader script and see if the hair can be parented to G2M in poser?

  http://d3d.sesseler.de/index.php?software=poserpython&product=dson_loader

  Most likely you will have to apply the materials manually, but at least you can see if the hair will 'work' in Poser...

  Post edited by glaseye on March 2017
• DaWaterRat Posts: 2,885

  March 2017 edited March 2017

  Does the hair have morphs you need to transfer over?  If not, maybe you can just export it as an OBJ and then import it into Poser and possition it manually?

  Also, while it requires a little more work in DS, it may be possible to autofit it to G2M in DS, then save the autofit hair as a .duf and then use *that* .duf to bring it into Poser through DSON.

  I can walk you through it if you like.

  Sorry.  I forgot, I don't think you can go backwards with the default templates.  (I bought the templates to go backwards, so I sometimes forget what does and doesn't come with DS default content.)

  Post edited by DaWaterRat on March 2017
• Upirium Posts: 722

  March 2017

  DaWaterRat said:

  Does the hair have morphs you need to transfer over?  If not, maybe you can just export it as an OBJ and then import it into Poser and possition it manually?

  Also, while it requires a little more work in DS, it may be possible to autofit it to G2M in DS, then save the autofit hair as a .duf and then use *that* .duf to bring it into Poser through DSON.

  I can walk you through it if you like.

  Sorry.  I forgot, I don't think you can go backwards with the default templates.  (I bought the templates to go backwards, so I sometimes forget what does and doesn't come with DS default content.)

  the hair does, indeed, have morphs I need to transfer over
• glaseye Posts: 1,312

  March 2017 edited March 2017

  Ok, I'm using P11Pro, but the principle should be the same...

  Did a test with the Fraser hair for G3M

  1) load the hair in DS

  2) change the weightsystem(?) to triAx --  from the menu -- edit /  figure / Rigging / Convert general weight to TriAx

  3) save the hair as a scene-subset (different name)

  (Creating PCF files gave an error on my system)

  You can then load this 'new' hair in Poser with D3D's script as mentioned in my earlier post, and in my try-out, the morphs work. (Of course, the materials need to be adjusted manually as most likely only the diffuse texture maps wil be applied...)

  As is with most hairs that are used on a different figure then it is designed for, it is best to parent the hair to the head rather then conforming it....

   

  (edited for some typos...)

  Post edited by glaseye on March 2017
• Upirium Posts: 722

  March 2017

  glaseye said:

  Ok, I'm using P11Pro, but the principal should be the same...

  Did a test with the Fraser hair for G3M

  1) load the hair in DS

  2) change the weightsystem(?) to triAx --  from the menu -- edit /  figure / Rigging / Convert general weight to TriAx

  3) save the hair as a scene-subset (different name)

  (Creating PCF files gave an error on my system)

  You can then load this 'new' hair in Poser with D3D's script as mentioned in my earlier post, and in my try-out, the morphs work. (Of course, the materials need to be adjusted manually as most likely only the diffuse texture maps wil be applied...)

  As is with most hairs that are used on a different figure then it is designed for, it is best to parent the hair to the head rather then conforming it....

   

  Is there a tutorial anywhere that shows how to adjust the textures?

  I mean I know how to load image maps but the values of them are lost on me..

  and sometimes there's just a lot of crap in image maps I don't understand.

  Would it, perhaps, be possible to copy and paste the nodes from another hair and then switch out their image maps for the right one?
• glaseye Posts: 1,312

  March 2017

  If there is such a tutorial, I am not aware of it.

  Using an other hair as example/template could be a good way to start. The most important nodes (IMO) are diffuse, transparency (opacity), specular and bump/displacement. Which nodes are used differ per hair. An other important thing to remenber, when using node values from DS in Poser, is that DS uses cm. as units, wereas in poser that depends on what you've set it to (I think the default is inches, but I have mine set to cm. as that is what I am used to....)

  Being already waaaay past midnight here, not the right time for me to get deep into this right now........
• nonesuch00 Posts: 18,744

  March 2017

  If it's iRay hair what many people do is Ctrl-Click on the preset shader of the hair while having the appropriate hair surface selected on the target model hair that they like the shader settings for...and that causes the Surfaces shaders are updated for that current hair while leaving the actual diffuse and other maps alone.

  Doesn't give the results you expect all the time but it is often an improvement for old hair designed for 3DL.
• glaseye Posts: 1,312

  March 2017

  nonesuch00 said:

  If it's iRay hair what many people do is Ctrl-Click on the preset shader of the hair while having the appropriate hair surface selected on the target model hair that they like the shader settings for...and that causes the Surfaces shaders are updated for that current hair while leaving the actual diffuse and other maps alone.

  Doesn't give the results you expect all the time but it is often an improvement for old hair designed for 3DL.

  A nice trick indeed, alas not usable in Poser (and that's what this is all about)
• nonesuch00 Posts: 18,744

  March 2017 edited March 2017

  Oh, sorry. 

  In that case use Poser Firefly and what a couple of tuturials on that. Poser is much better documented and as a bonus since Firefly is based off of Blender Cycles tutorials on doing hair in Blender Cycles would be very informative. 

  I'd go for creating brand new hair in Blender & exporting to Poser.

   

  Post edited by nonesuch00 on March 2017
• glaseye Posts: 1,312

  March 2017

  Ok, call me confused, but.... Isn't 'Superfly' based off blender cycles?

  If you do know some tutorials for Firefly and hair settings, please do post (links to) them. I think the OP would be grateful, and I sure wouldn't mind either (never to old to learn...).