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  • Ron KnightsRon Knights Posts: 2,112

    Chohole, you got it! DAZ does care, and they are working on it. I just didn't want to try quoting a message from that thread.

  • outrider42outrider42 Posts: 3,679
    Chohole said:

    Mark, I vaguely remember that fixing the type size issue is a major feat. I forget the technical explanation. It almost sounded like a major rewrite of code was necessary. In the meantime, we muddle through, I guess.

    This thread explains just how difficult it would be to change the font size problem.

    http://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/58297/is-it-possible-to-increase-the-size-of-the-menu-fonts-in-studio-4-8

    Ron,

    After reading all the posts on the link you sent, It sounds like Daz does not plan to fix the fonts for High resolution. Wonder why I was told they are working on it.

    If they do not fix it. That will be a big let down. Thanks for posting that link,  frown

    As that thread linked to says, they are working on it,  but it is not an easy thing to fix.

    With all due respect, the thread that asked for this was made in June 2015, and the "official" response was not made until April 2016. Now here we are in February 2017. I'm sorry, but that seems like one hell of a long development period to fix a font, no matter how "non trivial" it is. And its not like higher than 1080p resolutions just suddenly came out of nowhere, they have existed for many years. This is something that should have been foreseen years ago, and should have been in development for 4.7 or 4.8's release.

  • If it is true that a chnage of Qt is needed, as seems to be the case, then that is likely to break the SDK by my understanding - so quite aside from the enormous effrt required tor emove all traces of Qt 4 there's also the issue of when Daz forces developers to rework their plug-ins or abandon them, with serious impact on most users.

  • Qt 4 support is already EOL and Qt 5 is more than 3 years old now. At some point that decision to upgrade has to be taken. High DPI support is available only version 5.6 onwards. So until that version upgrade happens, supporting 4K monitors is not going to be easy.

    Many product companies follow different approach to product versioning. A common approach is to have a supported stable version - LTS (long-term stability) version which is officially supported for atleast a few years. It is feature locked and follows a scheduled maintenance plan. The other is FR (feature release) version which incrementally gets updated with new features, but is not supported officially (more like public beta). Only stable features from FR gets ported to LTS version. This model is similar to that of Fedora and RedHat linux distros.

    Had Daz had followed such a release management practice, Qt5 and its challenges could have been well tested by the community in the FR release train before making into the LTS builds.

  • outrider42outrider42 Posts: 3,679

    Then how about this idea: Instead of trying to increase the gui size, how about scaling the entire program size itself? Add an option to allow the user to scale the DS in increments of 0.1, so they could run it at 1.2x normal size, 2x normal size, or whatever they want. Obviously this would make everything bigger (or smaller,) but since the windows in Daz can be customized and resized, the user would be able to adjust the workspace to their liking. And since the entire program scales, then hopefully that would keep from breaking plug-ins, thus no impact on any users. The big change would adding a scroll bar if the app extends off screen.

    To further assist users who make these changes, additional style options could be made that resize the other elements of Daz that can be changed, like larger or smaller tool buttons, tabs, and such. I see that the Main Street style has much larger tab fonts, for example. So let's say somebody runs DS at 1.5x normal size. The icons and tabs would be pretty big, so a style the scales them down would be helpful, and this would largely achieve the desired result of increasing the font size.

    It may not be the most elegant solution, but it is a possible solution none the less.

  • DS does support the OS level scaling on WIndows.

  • outrider42outrider42 Posts: 3,679

    I'm not seeing that.

    Windows 10, in control panel>display>change size of items, there are two options, one "use these display settings" and further down "set a custom scale level". Neither alters DS in any way. I signed out of Windows each time to be sure.

    Even if this did work, I don't want to blow up my entire OS just to read DS better. Its needs its own.

  • Richard HaseltineRichard Haseltine Posts: 108,072
    edited February 2017

    It's "Change the size of text...." in Display Settigsfor Windows 10 - it works for me, though as you say it is a sledgehammer to crack a nut. But for now it is a workaround. You can disable scaling for any other application in the Compatibility tab of its properties - a workaround for a workaround.

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  • outrider42outrider42 Posts: 3,679

    I see a drop down box, like 'title bars' and 'menus'. I tried increasing them all but it does not seem to effect DS much to me. It seems to only change the size of certain parts, like the fonts in tabs, but not the most important fonts in the scene and content libraries, which are the ones I have trouble with. The most noticeable changes I could make were using the Main Street style and increasing the contrast with the background colors in customize style settings. But now for some reason I cannot see a preview pic of any textures in the surfaces tab. They are just blank. I used to be able to at least see a small icon of the texture. Tool tips are on. Also, the dial parameters are now spaced really far apart.

  • FirePro9FirePro9 Posts: 456

    Outrider42, I believe what you are looking at is the Windows Personalize options (right click desktop | Personalize), whereas Richard is looking at Windows Display settings (right click desktop | Display settings).

  • outrider42outrider42 Posts: 3,679

    No, the personalize options don't have those settings. Right click>display takes you to the same place as control panel>display>use the display settings.

  • mcorrmcorr Posts: 1,104
    edited March 2017
    hphoenix said:
    mcorr said:

     

    mcorr, considering his tv doesn't have a voice recognition feature, that would be a pretty incredible feat if it could listen to him.

    Why are you discouraging him from--with questionable assurances--checking if he can be spied on? Let him google it and find out for himself. I read in multiple places that some so-called "smart" TVs transmit sounds from inside the room they are located in back home to Samsung. Before being so reassuring, why don't you first inform yourself about these things ... and while you are at it, send us all a link where it says that sound transmissions are impossible (or a "great feat" of some sort) if the tv doesn't have voice recognition. You won't find that link. I'll bet you a gift certificate.

    First, you are the one making the claim that the TV can do this.  The burden of proof is upon you, not us.  Provide links of your own.  We'll disprove their claims as needed....

    Second, only "Smart TVs" that have voice recognition features even include a microphone input.  Even assuming it was a model which had one, encoding audio and transmitting it via a network connection would be pretty obvious to ANYONE with a router that can view upstream/downstream usage from connected devices (as audio isn't exactly a small amount of data).  And if the network isn't connected?  Just because a TV is 'smart' doesn't mean the user is going to wire it up or set up a wifi connection for it.    Third, unless you registered your TV with the manufacturer, they would not know WHO the data belonged to.  Having hundreds of thousands of data streams of audio incoming (most of which would be useless) seems a bit expensive for very little benefit.

    And third, anyone with a 'Smart TV' is liable to have a smart phone, and those have been SHOWN to be able to listen in even when turned off....you have to take the battery out to stop the possibility.  Again, unless you are under investigation, the effort and cost involved in simply 'listenting' to everyone and storing the data for later retrieval is way more than most anyone (even the government) is likely to spend without a good reason to listen in.

    Given the problems involved, the cost it entails, and the mostly useless nature of it......it's pretty unlikely anyone would bother, even IF it were set up in such a way it was possible.

     

    You want links?? The newest wikileaks release, named "Vault7" came out yesterday. It states exactly what I said. Go to the washinton post, the guardian, or Wikileaks itself. It's now official: "smart" TVs can spy on you. They are, in fact, used for that purpose. So, I was right. I don't suppose that's worth an apology, huh?

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  • RAMWolffRAMWolff Posts: 10,343

    Well it's not like I have anything to hide!  lol  I'm not much concerned about it.  I'm a speck of dust in this world as are you and everyone else.  If I lived in a constant state of conspiracy or paranoia I would have jumped off a bridge long ago!  lmao

  • Ron KnightsRon Knights Posts: 2,112

    My life is so absolutely boring. Anyone who monitored me would likely commit suicide within a few days. Really, I wonder just how accurate all this info from WikiLeaks really is. Did they acutally provide any verifiable information?! Any stories of people whose privacy was invaded?!

  • RAMWolffRAMWolff Posts: 10,343

    Good points Ron!

  • mcorrmcorr Posts: 1,104

    entertaining responses ....

  • Ron KnightsRon Knights Posts: 2,112

    Let's face it guys. So many people throw out their entire lives, on Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, etc. Some people are even dumb enough to post pictures and videos of their criminal acts. (Beating up homeless people, etc. Even Sex tapes!) We know there are surveillance cameras everywhere. We have some in our apartment building. But no one has ever knocked on my door and said they saw me adjusting my underwear while walking through Walmart, etc. 

    Yes, some aspects of our lives are best kept private. Everyone doesn't need to know our love-making or bathroom habits. If your "Smart TV" doesn't have a camera, no one will ever see you naked. Do you really care if someone knows you like to binge-watch The Vampire Diaries?! Heck, so many people already share all that boring stuff online anyway. I don't yet have a "Smart TV."  I have a new 50" LCD TV. I "Smarten" it up by connecting an Amazon FireTV box. I only use the FireTV when I watch WWE Wrestling Pay Per View shows. I already tell anyone who'll listen that I love wrestling. (Soap Opera on Steroids!)

  • RAMWolffRAMWolff Posts: 10,343

    I love Vampire Diaries!  Just saying!  Now you know!  lmao

  • Ron KnightsRon Knights Posts: 2,112

    RAMWolff, I've always been a fan of yours! And I love your sense of humor. Just thought I'd let you know. Now I'm gonna back off this thread a bit. I don't want to monopolize it! Maybe I'll respond once a day?!

  • outrider42outrider42 Posts: 3,679
    edited March 2017
    mcorr said:
    hphoenix said:
    mcorr said:

     

    mcorr, considering his tv doesn't have a voice recognition feature, that would be a pretty incredible feat if it could listen to him.

    Why are you discouraging him from--with questionable assurances--checking if he can be spied on? Let him google it and find out for himself. I read in multiple places that some so-called "smart" TVs transmit sounds from inside the room they are located in back home to Samsung. Before being so reassuring, why don't you first inform yourself about these things ... and while you are at it, send us all a link where it says that sound transmissions are impossible (or a "great feat" of some sort) if the tv doesn't have voice recognition. You won't find that link. I'll bet you a gift certificate.

    First, you are the one making the claim that the TV can do this.  The burden of proof is upon you, not us.  Provide links of your own.  We'll disprove their claims as needed....

    Second, only "Smart TVs" that have voice recognition features even include a microphone input.  Even assuming it was a model which had one, encoding audio and transmitting it via a network connection would be pretty obvious to ANYONE with a router that can view upstream/downstream usage from connected devices (as audio isn't exactly a small amount of data).  And if the network isn't connected?  Just because a TV is 'smart' doesn't mean the user is going to wire it up or set up a wifi connection for it.    Third, unless you registered your TV with the manufacturer, they would not know WHO the data belonged to.  Having hundreds of thousands of data streams of audio incoming (most of which would be useless) seems a bit expensive for very little benefit.

    And third, anyone with a 'Smart TV' is liable to have a smart phone, and those have been SHOWN to be able to listen in even when turned off....you have to take the battery out to stop the possibility.  Again, unless you are under investigation, the effort and cost involved in simply 'listenting' to everyone and storing the data for later retrieval is way more than most anyone (even the government) is likely to spend without a good reason to listen in.

    Given the problems involved, the cost it entails, and the mostly useless nature of it......it's pretty unlikely anyone would bother, even IF it were set up in such a way it was possible.

     

    The newest wikileaks release, named "Vault7" came out yesterday. It states exactly what I said. Go to the washinton post, the guardian, or whatever. It's now official: "smart" TVs can spy on you. I don't suppose that's worth an apology, huh?

    Excuse me, but you were talking about secret microphones installed in tvs. You were talking about Samsung working directly with the US government in compliance with a huge Big Brother spying scheme.

    None of that is in the wikileaks documents. All the wikileaks docs talk about is a single model of Samsung tv, the F8000 manufactured in 2013, that could be hacked. But there is no mention of how many times this has actually been done. Moreover, this attack was even specific to the tv's firmware, newer updates stop it. That's a lot of very specific things that need to be in place for this operation!

    No one ever said it was impossible to hack smart tvs, as anything connected to the internet can be hacked. DDoS attacks make frequent use of unprotected "smart" products all the time. But that is a very far cry from actual spying. No matter how amazing your leet hacking skills are, you are not going to get taped conversations from a tv that has no microphone.

    Samsung is not placing secret microphones in their tvs. Once again, I've personally dismantled many Samsungs, they are not there. The tvs that have mics  for smart features tend to have them placed at the top of the bezel above the screen, or have them on a separate dongle that attaches to the top of the tv. This is for practical reasons, placing it anywhere else would be a problem...tvs have these things called speakers, you see, and those speakers would blast the poor mic if it was located anywhere near them. Plus you need a hole, otherwise the sound will not get through. So these tvs have a small indention at the top of their bezel. The camera is there in that spot as well. If you were going to place a secret mic in a tv, you'd need a place where there are holes to listen through. So for your secret plot, you need to place this mic on the back of the tv where the vents typically are. But that then makes it easy to find upon disassembly.

    There are far, far better ways to spy on someone than through a tv. My guess is that the CIA planned on using bugged tvs in hotel rooms and other places where suspects might possibly stay. That is a possible reason for this, because it is way to specific to be the huge surveillance program.

    Otherwise, think about how silly this would be: 

    "Hey, we got a possible terrorist group in the area."

    "Do they have Samsung F8000 tvs from 2013?"

    "No, I think they have Vizios."

    "DAMN! Thwarted again!" *shakes fist in anger*

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  • RAMWolffRAMWolff Posts: 10,343

    cheeky

  • Ron KnightsRon Knights Posts: 2,112

    outrider42 thanks for clarifying things.

    laugh

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