Trying to understand daz4.9

Hi, I'm really getting frustrated with daz 4.9 I'm having difficulty locating genesis 3 products. I have genesis 2 product whistle didn't load into the gen 2 folders like all the others. I HATE this smart content tab. Why did they break what wasn't broken? Is there any way I can get all my products into MyDaz 3D Library? My head is wrecked. Be gentle with me as I have a bad dose of sciatica!

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  • jestmartjestmart Posts: 4,449
    edited March 2017

    If you hate it don't use it, the Content Library pane is still in the program, just don't use Products or Categories as they are linked to the database like Smart Content.

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  • Peter WadePeter Wade Posts: 1,666
    edited March 2017

    The only things that aren't in the library are encrypted items, everything else should be there somewhere. Most of the stuff that Daz sells is organised fairly well in the library. If you can't find something you can try looking at the product readme file. You can find this on the website in the documentation centre, or if you are using Install Manager click on the ? on the item's entry.

    **edit** sorry, its an i in a circle, not a question mark in Install Manager. I should have checked before posting.

    I can't make sense of the smart content either. I use categorties to organise my content. I find the item in the library and create a category for it. You can organise categories any way you like.

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  • LinwellyLinwelly Posts: 6,055

    Probably helps if you list what you try to locate ( best with a link to the product). Sometimes the program needs some thinking time before stuff ends up in the right place.

  • Richard HaseltineRichard Haseltine Posts: 108,079

    The only things that aren't in the library are encrypted items, everything else should be there somewhere.

    In the last few versions of DS 4.9 all items installed via Connect, including Encrypted content, appear in DAZ Studio Formats>Daz Connect as if in a single content directory.

     

    I can't make sense of the smart content either. I use categorties to organise my content. I find the item in the library and create a category for it. You can organise categories any way you like.

    Smart Content and Categories are two faces of the same thing so I'm not sure what you mean here - the categories appear down the elft-and side of Smart Content as well as under Categories in the Content Library pane. Smart Content just allows more filtering options for finding content, including the ability to show only items that are compatible with the current selection in the scene (Filter by Context check box).

  • muller252muller252 Posts: 42
    jestmart said:

    If you hate it don't use it, the Content Library pane is still in the program, just don't use Products or Categories as they are linked to the database like Smart Content.

    Thanks but a reply like that is completely unhelpful. I do not understand how it works.
  • muller252muller252 Posts: 42
    edited March 2017
    I spent a lot of time grouping my content. For example, anything for Victoria 4 starts with V4, like V4 Medusa. None of my genesis 3 products are there. Genesis & genesis 2 are in self created folders, however a recent purchase of Genesis 2 tribal dancer also requires searching for. Daz Connect does not have ANY genesis products. I could go on, but I find the whole indexing of products within Daz studio to grossly user unfriendly, and a shambles. I used to love using this program, but I'm looking at it as a waste of time and money.
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  • DustRiderDustRider Posts: 2,880

    It might help if you could let everyone know which version of DS you were using before (it sounds like possibly DS 3.x?), and if you are a Poser user. I have found with DS the simplest thing, and what will ensure everything work properly, is to use DIM (DAZ Install Manager) to install things, and put all Genesis content in the default location where DIM wants to install it. Like others have mentioned, I seldom use the "Smart Content" tab to find anything, and use the "Content Library" tab to find what I want. If you have installed things to different folders than the default locations (which it sounds like you have), you will need to add those folders to the "Content Directory Manager" for DS to know where they are.

    Oh ..... another helpful thing would be to know how you installed the content. Did you use DIM, Connect, or manual install. If you did a manual install, then the database that tells DS whare the content is, may not know where to look.

  • LinwellyLinwelly Posts: 6,055

    OK this sound complicated, try to help us help you here.

    I guess DustRider has thie right thought? You upgraded from an older version and it seems you renamed ell the folders to create your own cathegories? Tell us what you did, where you come from (programwise) how you load your content.

    Jesmarts comment was not meant to annoy you but to point out a different way to find your content. I use the content library tab a lot as well and if you reorganized your folders that tab should reflect your folder structure, look within the "My DAZ Library" folder or for older formats in the Poser Formats Folder.

  • Richard HaseltineRichard Haseltine Posts: 108,079

    Content Library under Daz Studio Formats and poser Formats is exactly like the Content pane in DS 3, if that is what you had before - the only diffrence is putting the different formats under their own headings. If your content isn't showing there then it's an issue with the content diectory settings.

  • muller252muller252 Posts: 42
    Linwelly said:

    OK this sound complicated, try to help us help you here.

    I guess DustRider has thie right thought? You upgraded from an older version and it seems you renamed ell the folders to create your own cathegories? Tell us what you did, where you come from (programwise) how you load your content.

    Jesmarts comment was not meant to annoy you but to point out a different way to find your content. I use the content library tab a lot as well and if you reorganized your folders that tab should reflect your folder structure, look within the "My DAZ Library" folder or for older formats in the Poser Formats Folder.

    Thanks and I apologise. I'm very frustrated.
  • muller252muller252 Posts: 42
    edited March 2017
    DustRider said:

    It might help if you could let everyone know which version of DS you were using before (it sounds like possibly DS 3.x?), and if you are a Poser user. I have found with DS the simplest thing, and what will ensure everything work properly, is to use DIM (DAZ Install Manager) to install things, and put all Genesis content in the default location where DIM wants to install it. Like others have mentioned, I seldom use the "Smart Content" tab to find anything, and use the "Content Library" tab to find what I want. If you have installed things to different folders than the default locations (which it sounds like you have), you will need to add those folders to the "Content Directory Manager" for DS to know where they are.

    Oh ..... another helpful thing would be to know how you installed the content. Did you use DIM, Connect, or manual install. If you did a manual install, then the database that tells DS whare the content is, may not know where to look.

    I'm using an apple mac OS x 10.7.5 Something went so I have to get it repaired, so it was a fresh install of DAZ studio 4.9, and used daz install manager. I have been having issues locating some of my older products and newer ones. A lot are found in POSER FORMATS-MY DAZ 3D LIBRARY. Everything appears to be in the products sub folders. My actual question is: How do I display them all in the MY DAZ 3D LIBRARY?
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  • jestmartjestmart Posts: 4,449
    edited March 2017

    I am a cranky old fart and my early post was meant as a virtual slap upside the head.  As others have asked you are going to have to give use some specifics if we are to help you.

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  • muller252muller252 Posts: 42
    jestmart said:

    I am a cranky old fart and my early post was meant as a virtual slap upside the head.  As others have asked you are going to have to give use some specifics if we are to help you.

    I'm using an apple mac OS x 10.7.5 Something went so I have to get it repaired, so it was a fresh install of DAZ studio 4.9, and used daz install manager. I have been having issues locating some of my older products and newer ones. A lot are found in POSER FORMATS-MY DAZ 3D LIBRARY. Everything appears to be in the products sub folders. My actual question is: How do I display them all in the MY DAZ 3D LIBRARY?
  • Blackbirdx61Blackbirdx61 Posts: 300
    edited March 2017

    You might review this thread; you far from alone in having content issues with 4.9

    http://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/comment/2128076/#Comment_2128076

    I strongly suspect he db is just not stable, and hopefully gets patched soon.

    I'm not sure if poser content can be seen by smart content pretty sure you need a plug in. As i use like 80% poser I just work off the catagories db. I prmarily work around scenes and actors. So my club z set will have all poses props and mats branching off. Wardrobe has 3main closets for v4, g2 and g3.

    The beauty of the catagories db to my mind is that you can set it up just how you want it its not one size fits all users.just save your user data often

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  • Peter WadePeter Wade Posts: 1,666

    The only things that aren't in the library are encrypted items, everything else should be there somewhere.

    In the last few versions of DS 4.9 all items installed via Connect, including Encrypted content, appear in DAZ Studio Formats>Daz Connect as if in a single content directory.

     

    I can't make sense of the smart content either. I use categorties to organise my content. I find the item in the library and create a category for it. You can organise categories any way you like.

    Smart Content and Categories are two faces of the same thing so I'm not sure what you mean here - the categories appear down the elft-and side of Smart Content as well as under Categories in the Content Library pane. Smart Content just allows more filtering options for finding content, including the ability to show only items that are compatible with the current selection in the scene (Filter by Context check box).

    I had problems when I first tred it but I've had another look at it. It does make sense but I don't find it very useful. It is showing me what seem to be the catergories I created. If I select a figure in the scene, "People" in the smart content tab and click filter by context it seems to be showing everything that can be used on that figure, clothes, characters, poses, expresions etc. If I select one of the sub-categories I have created it restricts it to those items, but since I categorise items firstly by what characters they apply to the smartness isn't really helping me. I might as well just use my categories.

    I think this should be useful to people starting with Studio, but once you build up a  large amount of content it becomes less helpful. Seeing all of the clothes in my library that will  fit Genesis 2 Female in one go is a bit much. I use categories to divide them into things like casual clothes, office clothes, fantasy & SF etc so I can go to the category that suits the picture I am trying to create.

  • muller252muller252 Posts: 42
    Guys, take for example War Eagle'. I go to POSER FORMATS-MY DAZ 3D LIBRARY-FIGURRS to find the model, then to POSE to find textures. Then I have to go down to the PRODUCTS folder and scroll down to W, and the scroll to find, not only the actor, materials, accessories, but also default poses!!! That's absolutely rediculous!! They've taken something which was not broken and tried to fix it, and what's the result? They broke it.
  • muller252 said:
    Guys, take for example War Eagle'. I go to POSER FORMATS-MY DAZ 3D LIBRARY-FIGURRS to find the model, then to POSE to find textures. Then I have to go down to the PRODUCTS folder and scroll down to W, and the scroll to find, not only the actor, materials, accessories, but also default poses!!! That's absolutely rediculous!! They've taken something which was not broken and tried to fix it, and what's the result? They broke it.

    The example you just gave is actually in the correct place, as it is primarily a Poser product that happens to work in DAZ Studio. Newer products designed specifically for DAZ Studio will be under DAZ Studio Formats.

  • Peter WadePeter Wade Posts: 1,666
    muller252 said:
    Guys, take for example War Eagle'. I go to POSER FORMATS-MY DAZ 3D LIBRARY-FIGURRS to find the model, then to POSE to find textures. Then I have to go down to the PRODUCTS folder and scroll down to W, and the scroll to find, not only the actor, materials, accessories, but also default poses!!! That's absolutely rediculous!! They've taken something which was not broken and tried to fix it, and what's the result? They broke it.

    This is the way Poser normally works, figures and clothes in the figures library, textures in either the poses or the materials library. My solution to this is to use categories. I select the clothes and create a category for them, then select the textures and make their category a sub-category of the clothes.

    Current versions of Poser are actually a lot more tolerant about where content goes. If you are willing to move files around in your runtime you can take the directory containing the texture poses or material settings and move it to be a sub-directory of the one under figures that has the clothes in it. This will work in recent versions of Poser and Daz Studio, but if there are any updates Install Manager will put them back in their original places so you will have to move them again.

     

  • muller252muller252 Posts: 42
    OK. That makes sense. I didn't know that. I don't know any of the technicalities. Why is there no genesis 3 folder like there are for genesis and genesis 2?
  • Richard HaseltineRichard Haseltine Posts: 108,079
    edited March 2017
    muller252 said:
    OK. That makes sense. I didn't know that. I don't know any of the technicalities. Why is there no genesis 3 folder like there are for genesis and genesis 2?

    Where are you looking? They all should be under DAZ Studio Fomrats>content directory>People, if you are looking under Poser Formats you are seeing the Poser Companion Files for use with the DSON Importer for Poser - since Genesis 3 is not Poser-compatible it has no PoserCFs and so won't appear in that location.

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  • Peter WadePeter Wade Posts: 1,666
    muller252 said:
    OK. That makes sense. I didn't know that. I don't know any of the technicalities. Why is there no genesis 3 folder like there are for genesis and genesis 2?

    If you are talking about Daz Studio Formats in the library it probably just means that you haven't got any Genesis 3 items that are not specific to Male or Female. The folders only get created when there is something to put in them. I do have a Genesis 3 folder but all that is in it are some sets of poses which include poses for the Male and Female figures. Everything else is in either Genesis 3 Female or Genesis 3 Male. I also have a "Genesis 2 Famale" folder and a "Genesis2 Female" folder which just means that some content creators were a bit clumsy with their typing.

  • muller252muller252 Posts: 42
    If that's the case, I have care free hair, evening gown,sci-fi samurai, all genesis 3 female, to name a few and still no gen 3 folder. I'm to a techie but this is so confusing and frustrating. I have those folders for genesis and gen 2, but nothing at all for gen 3
  • muller252muller252 Posts: 42
    They need to have everything bundled in the one library. Segregating files like this is rediculous and not only seriously hampers work flow but also damages the user experience thus making it an unenjoyable and awkward package to use
  • TottallouTottallou Posts: 555
    edited March 2017

    Are you certain you are looking for your G3 content under Daz Studio Formats?

    Here is a screen shot of where you need to look

     

     

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  • LindseyLindsey Posts: 2,008
    muller252 said:
    They need to have everything bundled in the one library. Segregating files like this is rediculous and not only seriously hampers work flow but also damages the user experience thus making it an unenjoyable and awkward package to use

    With Daz Studio 4.9, you can create shortcuts from the Smart Content Tab to the Daz Studio Format content library.  This includes any Poser Format products that appears in the Smart Content tab.  Note that if the products don't have metadata, look for those products in the Lost and Found category.  

    See the attached visual. 

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  • almahiedraalmahiedra Posts: 1,365
    edited March 2017

    For checking the "Genesis 3 Folder" problem, please look at in DIM if you installed using it. You can see where your stuff are and check if the directory is included in the DS directories list.

    I made the example with a non-genesis product because I install genesis 3 with Connect, but the example works for checking what happen with your Genesis 3 Folders. Your only need highlight with the mouse in DIM your Genesis 3 products instead.

    Warning: all my folders for install are custom, then obviously my paths will be different to the default paths. 

    In point 4, isn't older word. It must been folder...but I'm lazy to change it.

     

     

     

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  • muller252 said:
    They need to have everything bundled in the one library. Segregating files like this is rediculous and not only seriously hampers work flow but also damages the user experience thus making it an unenjoyable and awkward package to use

    I disagree; for me, having everything in one long column (like Poser and earlier versions of DAZ Studio did) is more likely to hamper workflow, especially for those people that have thousands of items installed.

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