Please, a little more warning when products are Connect only ):

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  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,851

    ...the issue for myself and others is some if us also use other software than just Daz, like Carrara, Bryce, Poser, and Hexagon. To discover the content we bought not only requires Connect but can only be used in Daz is a real pain not just for us but for CS when we have to ask for a refund.

  • McGyverMcGyver Posts: 7,085
    edited February 2017

    I don't get how anyone doesn't know their file sizes... At some point you have to zip it & ship it... What, are they walking it over to DAZ on their external hard drives?

    I'd get not knowing 40.6 MB instead of 40.3 MB... But not knowing 40.anything is kinda odd... 

    So maybe DAZ thinks everyone is unconcerned about file size now that we are in the Terabyte Days of storage and bone crushing graphics cards... But at some point ya' might wanna say... "Hmmmm... This is a little big, we should probably point it out"

    I've seen this complaint so many times and I don't expect them to address it... It one of those weird little niceties that is missing... Like serving free coffee but not providing paper cups... Or any cups... Or having an elevator without any buttons... a restroom without any doors... 

    It seems to matter to people... It seems to have mattered to people for some time...

     

    I've said this for so long it's stupider than me... Not everyone has top of the line machines, not everyone has been here for years or is an expert... If you run a site that attracts some level of newcomers... Just make it easy for them...

    Your mantra shouldn't be "just buy it, and if you realize our description or information is is lacking or screwy... Just return it"

    Yesterday I went to buy an extension cord for a fridge... I go into the DYI store and grap the one labeled "Appliance" with an photo and an icon of a fridge on it... I take it up front and pay at the self checkout and as I'm walking out, it fall out of the bag and the plug pops out of the bundle and I see it's not for a normal fridge, but some heavy duty unit... Annoyed, I go back and return it and figure it's my mistake... But when I go back to the shelf, I see what I need is one with a picture and icon of a microwave on it... A "small appliance" cord... 

    Why?

    Who cares, complaining won't change it because they printed like 10 million of them and they are not gonna change it, and if I don't like it, too bad... I can return it... I can return it on fire and they will still not ask questions... 

    Yeah, having a great return policy is fantastic, but If you feel you can't trust the signs, the packaging or information, it undermines your confidence and detracts from your "experience" that fantastic thing marketing people love expounding on... 

    Same here.

    But you can return it... 

    Do you like returning stuff?... Then as long as it's not some heroic effort that'll break the bank... show the customer the same consideration.

    Done and done.

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  • kyoto kid said:

    ...the issue for myself and others is some if us also use other software than just Daz, like Carrara, Bryce, Poser, and Hexagon. To discover the content we bought not only requires Connect but can only be used in Daz is a real pain not just for us but for CS when we have to ask for a refund.

    Encrypted content cans till be exported to formats like FBX and OBJ.

  • Oso3DOso3D Posts: 15,085

    Yeah, I've hit some astonishingly high storage content.

    In some cases it was warranted -- the yarn shader thing actually has a LOAD of highly detailed textures, which is the point of the product.

    But there was some... I forget, maybe it was clothes or something, and the thing was like 400 MB.

     

  • kyoto kid said:

    ...the issue for myself and others is some if us also use other software than just Daz, like Carrara, Bryce, Poser, and Hexagon. To discover the content we bought not only requires Connect but can only be used in Daz is a real pain not just for us but for CS when we have to ask for a refund.

    Encrypted content cans till be exported to formats like FBX and OBJ.

    That requires you to install Daz Studio - which some of us would rather not do.

  • HavosHavos Posts: 5,577
    edited February 2017

    Yeah, I've hit some astonishingly high storage content.

    In some cases it was warranted -- the yarn shader thing actually has a LOAD of highly detailed textures, which is the point of the product.

    But there was some... I forget, maybe it was clothes or something, and the thing was like 400 MB.

     

    I recall there was a bikini needing a couple of GB

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  • Oso3DOso3D Posts: 15,085

    What, did it morph into a sailing ship?

    Jeebus.

     

  • What, did it morph into a sailing ship?

    Jeebus.

    IIRC that was the one with dozens of high-res textures. I've got it, I've used it, it does look good, but I don't really think it needed the textures to be such a high resolution... except maybe for close-enough-to-count-the-freckles renders.  

  • wizwiz Posts: 1,100

    You are thinking of the "Sunny Swimsuit", which was originally near 3 gigs, and them managed to "get it down" to 1.3 gigs in two zips (because DAZ breaks up any zip larger than 1 gig).

    I have multiple packages in the "near 1 gig" range, including some clothing. Jepe accounts for maybe 12G of this. Thanks, guy.

    • wicked guardian outfit G3F
    • shiny sheetz G2F
    • shiny sheetz II G2F
    • jeepz wondersheets for V7

    Lots of skydomes and world stuff

    • planet earth ultra HD
    • HDR pro set monterey
    • HDR pro set yosemite pack one (near 1G each for their DS, PS, and Carrara components).
    • HDR pro set yosemite pack two
    • Aspen billboards and forests

    Some architecture stuff

    • city photo mania
    • secluded hideaway

    Characters

    • tara and sachra HD for V7

    Shaders. Must be at least a couple of dozen >900 megs. I won't list any. We all know who the cluprits are.

    Tutorials

  • HeraHera Posts: 1,958

    I actually thought a while back that DAZ had discontinued the encryption idea, because of the massive critizism against it. So I was really dissapointed with seeing it re-appearing with the Raymond bundle. I mean, I've been looking for hip-hop outfits forever. Baggy jeans, hoodies, big jewelries, the whole carbuncle! And when it finally comes along, it's unusable! Made me so dissapointed.

    Why?

    And why no explanation why they have returned to encrypted after almost half a year or so without it. (And why having it in the first place of course).

  • I was very tempted until I saw the DRM notice --  so at least I saved some money.

  • ColinFrenchColinFrench Posts: 649
    edited February 2017
    Hera said:

    I actually thought a while back that DAZ had discontinued the encryption idea, because of the massive critizism against it.

    Me too. I didn't expect DAZ to announce that they had dropped it since it must have been somebody's pet idea and they must have spent some money developing the system, but I hoped it would just fade away.

    Oh well, I'm certainly glad the "Get Your Encrypted Content" thread exists and is maintained, much appreciated!

     

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  • Hera said:
     

    And why no explanation why they have returned to encrypted after almost half a year or so without it. (And why having it in the first place of course).

    Only three months, according to the dates in the thread that ColinFrench linked to, and it's quite obviouswhy they didn't do it when two of the months were big sale months (October and November).

  • I thought they had decided not to do all that encryption, sneaky stuff last year because so many people were complaining? I know I've only bought 1 item and promptly returned it. If they stop selling manual install stuff, well, I've got a 1tb hard-drive dedicated to content and I'll have a boatload of time to use it and learn to do some of the things I've been wanting to do for ages, since I won't be shopping much.

  • LeanaLeana Posts: 12,754

    I thought they had decided not to do all that encryption, sneaky stuff last year because so many people were complaining?

    No. They decided that encrypted items would become unencrypted after a year, but they kept releasing encrypted-only items from time to time.

  • Leana said:

    I thought they had decided not to do all that encryption, sneaky stuff last year because so many people were complaining?

    No. They decided that encrypted items would become unencrypted after a year, but they kept releasing encrypted-only items from time to time.

    I believe the only times they didn't release Encrypted content were during the March Madness, PA and PC+ sales. Every other month since 4.9 came out had some kind of encrypted content release; it just never was an entire day's worth of releases that were encrypted.

  • HavosHavos Posts: 5,577
    Leana said:

    I thought they had decided not to do all that encryption, sneaky stuff last year because so many people were complaining?

    No. They decided that encrypted items would become unencrypted after a year, but they kept releasing encrypted-only items from time to time.

    I believe the only times they didn't release Encrypted content were during the March Madness, PA and PC+ sales. Every other month since 4.9 came out had some kind of encrypted content release; it just never was an entire day's worth of releases that were encrypted.

    There was none in December, but then there were better sales that month than all three of the other sales you mentioned.

  • ToborTobor Posts: 2,300

    Apropos of nothing and far from scientific, I did a quick glance at the first 30 What's Hot products, and none were encrypted.

    It seemed to me when I looked at the new releases several of those with encryption were from the same PAs. If a PA has several products that are released near the same time, it can look like the world has suddenly gone encryption crazy. 

  • Tobor said:

    Apropos of nothing and far from scientific, I did a quick glance at the first 30 What's Hot products, and none were encrypted.

    It seemed to me when I looked at the new releases several of those with encryption were from the same PAs. If a PA has several products that are released near the same time, it can look like the world has suddenly gone encryption crazy. 

    The Hip Hop Bundle is all encrypted and is in the top row of "What's Hot". Indeed, along with some of the other encrypteds, it has had a bit of a sales pick-up and is doing fairly well in "Trending Now" and "Most Popular".

    All the recent encrypted items have been "DAZ Originals", and the PAs that sold the product rights to DAZ may have no say about encryption.

  • HavosHavos Posts: 5,577
    Tobor said:

    Apropos of nothing and far from scientific, I did a quick glance at the first 30 What's Hot products, and none were encrypted.

    It seemed to me when I looked at the new releases several of those with encryption were from the same PAs. If a PA has several products that are released near the same time, it can look like the world has suddenly gone encryption crazy. 

    The Hip Hop Bundle is all encrypted and is in the top row of "What's Hot". Indeed, along with some of the other encrypteds, it has had a bit of a sales pick-up and is doing fairly well in "Trending Now" and "Most Popular".

    All the recent encrypted items have been "DAZ Originals", and the PAs that sold the product rights to DAZ may have no say about encryption.

    Remember you need to look at the What's Hot list when logged out, otherwise all the products your own are removed from it. Currently Hip Hop Bundle is indeed on the top row (the other encrypted products are not there), but in last place. Other products released just before or after are a good deal higher, and are lot cheaper (remember the What's Hot is almost certainly based on money made, not the actual number of sales). As such, I would say the release did okay, but nothing spectacular, and given DAZ had to buy in around 8 or 9 products for that day, I wonder if they got their money back. They probably made more money from half the income of the Astrid Elf Bundle, or the Library Bundle, and there was no initial buy in costs for those products.

  • Havos said:

    (remember the What's Hot is almost certainly based on money made, not the actual number of sales).

    I have some ideas about how some of the various store views work, but (apart from new arrivals and prices high/low) nothing I would care to present as almost certain.

  • MadbatMadbat Posts: 382
    edited February 2017
    Tjohn said:

    I bought two items in today's sale that I might not have bought if I had known.sad

    To paraphrase Monty Python, the product should bear a large red label, "Connect Only!"

    The main problem I have is that I have a limited broadband where I live because that's all that is available: and Connect does not let me know how large the files are. Please give me a way to know the file size when the product is Connect only. This may not be a concern to most, but it is for me.

    Thanks.

    Yes please! I slapped a couple of connect only items into my cart from the front page, so I had no warning. I want nothing to do with those kind of products. I had to return 2 products that were daz connect only. no

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  • ToborTobor Posts: 2,300
    edited February 2017

    Indeed, for me Hip Hop bundle is near the end of the row. I sampled the first 10-12 in both first and second rows.

    Since What's Hot is supposed to change regularly, one day it may show one thing, something else the next. I think the point is that, for the most part, encrypted content is not on the top of their list.

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  • With each encrypted release DAZ will learn something, perhaps the biggest interest being if there is increasing acceptance as time goes by.

    I get the impression that the latest encrypteds haven't tailed off in sales as fast as the previous. No serious study, of course; that's for the DAZ crew*.

    *Report. On my desk, first thing tomorrow.

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