Is it just me , or ...

mcorrmcorr Posts: 1,104
edited January 2017 in The Commons

is the product selection becoming distincly more goulish? I don't ever remember in the past being awash in halloween-like products week after week ... after week. What's going on here? I look forward to seeing what the new products are everyday, and the number of zombies, devils, evil demons, etc. just keep coming and coming at me. Feels like a bad dream .... lol!! Where are all the vendors with a less darker vision? I need their products to create renders with more light, hope and goodness.

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  • I think if you're for or against a certain genre you're more likely to notice stuff..  I personally don't see that much of an increase, just scrolling through New Releases seems to show a mix bag of stuff..

  • riftwitchriftwitch Posts: 1,439
    I dunno, maybe angels don't sell as well?
  • mcorrmcorr Posts: 1,104
    edited January 2017

    I think if you're for or against a certain genre you're more likely to notice stuff..  I personally don't see that much of an increase, just scrolling through New Releases seems to show a mix bag of stuff..

    Not for or against Jack ... I have a great selection of gouls and demons in my runtime (they are awesome and an important part of my collection), but I feel satiated. Just wondering where the other (opposite) stuff is? Do a numerical, statistical analysis and see how many times angels, seers, wisemen (~women) and the forces of light are offered up in the store. Last I remember, there are always two sides battling it out in Lord of the Rings, Starwars, etc.

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  • Ultimately it's the same argument as 'why are there so many females in the store'.  It's what's popular, and what sells the best.

    Fantasy type items do well, and the darker side of that is also what a lot of artists like to explore.. I mean, just look at my own back-catalogue.  But yea, I don't disagree that theres always room for other items..  :)

  • mcorrmcorr Posts: 1,104
    edited January 2017

    As I said, I explore it too. No problem there. That's not the issue. It's a question of whether or not I as an artist have at my diposal a wide, balanced range of products to help me create what my imagination can come up with.

    As for what is/isn't in demand, that's a complex story. Among other things, it's a fact that you can create demand and certain preferences or tendencies by what you sell. It's called "shaping demand."

    In either case, I agree ... there's room here for money to be made by those who are willing to make products that balance the scale.

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  • Well, angels, wise-personages etc don't need a new G3F/M-7 character - they can be done with any of the regular characters plus wings and robes. There are enough wings in the store - it's the robes that are less easy for G3F/M - but a retexture of sorceress might work for an angel... The monsters need a special morph/skin, the good-guys tend to look like idealised versions of us.
  • we've been wanting creature creator 3 for a long time this time seems like this new version has been broken up into bite size bites of seperate entities like the new Anneka Pro bundle which contains g3f versions of a lot of the creature creator 2 add ons wings, horns, the sucubus add ons extra so we will probably hopefully see soon new versions probably done this way of the other creature morphs in g2 including aliens and hopefully some insectoids and human/animal/sea/bird hybrids. We've had lots of fairies and elves, angels are normaly normal looking there is cupid style wings for g3f  Valentina Hair for Genesis 3 Female(s)  http://www.daz3d.com/valentina-hair-for-genesis-3-female-s  and some fantasy armor like White Knight for Genesis 3 Female(s)  http://www.daz3d.com/white-knight-for-genesis-3-female-s or you could use any of the medieval fantasy frocks if you want traditional classi8cal pc angel look could do with a few other buttefly wings and griffin wings for g3 and with different feather and colour textures

  • and creatures/monsters do need different variations of so they stand out from each other it would be cool if there was like one zombie, one vampire, one demonoid, one alien extra that we could buy but had so many options to change and alter their look that you could create a scene with so many and not one looked identical that'd be cool but not possible at least for now

  • Pop culture right now seems to be in a dark place, in the US and Britain at least. That doesn't mean that you have to follow that darkness in your own art. If the latest offerings don't float your boat, check out the tremendous back catalog that the vendors have. There's a lot of variety there.

  • Serene NightSerene Night Posts: 17,704

    Since the absorptions of RDNA the store has absorbed a lot of dark ghoulish content. 

    I think the demon succubus thing is sort of old hat. We've had a number of demon women already in the store... But apparently people like it enough to make a base for her. Not my cuppa tea personally, but its okay. I don't need to buy everything DAZ makes. =-)

     

  • LeatherGryphonLeatherGryphon Posts: 12,090
    edited January 2017

    Hmmm... Demons, monsters & weapons vs Beach bimbos & Lingerie...   Tough choice! ...   Hmmm, let me think... indecision

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  • Stryder87Stryder87 Posts: 899

    Hmmm... Demons, monsters & weapons vs Beach bimbos & Lingerie...   Tough choice! ...   Hmmm, let me think... indecision

    Monsters in lingerie with martinis!  laugh

    Someone feel free to do a render of such a thing.  haha

  • Well, angels, wise-personages etc don't need a new G3F/M-7 character - they can be done with any of the regular characters plus wings and robes. There are enough wings in the store - it's the robes that are less easy for G3F/M - but a retexture of sorceress might work for an angel... The monsters need a special morph/skin, the good-guys tend to look like idealised versions of us.

    Hmmm...This is certainly true for the standard depiction of angels.  But, how about an angel "creature" that is a different being that not only has wings on its back but other non human features that make it of the Angel Race? - might be worth exploring.  I can think of several talented PAs that might come up with something new and cool. :)

  • Also, we always think of angels as being pretty by human standards of youth and beauty.  But, what if they don't look like that at all?  Artists, I'm throwing out that gauntlet for you. :)

  • Stryder87 said:

    Hmmm... Demons, monsters & weapons vs Beach bimbos & Lingerie...   Tough choice! ...   Hmmm, let me think... indecision

    Monsters in lingerie with martinis!  laugh

    Someone feel free to do a render of such a thing.  haha

    You think it doesn't already exist?

  • Stryder87Stryder87 Posts: 899
    Stryder87 said:

    Hmmm... Demons, monsters & weapons vs Beach bimbos & Lingerie...   Tough choice! ...   Hmmm, let me think... indecision

    Monsters in lingerie with martinis!  laugh

    Someone feel free to do a render of such a thing.  haha

    You think it doesn't already exist?

    Hahahaha....  I was hoping someone would do it with the new figure available.  laugh

  • LeatherGryphonLeatherGryphon Posts: 12,090
    edited January 2017

    I was waiting for a homicidal maniac figure. But as Wednesday Addams pointed out, they look just like everybody else. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lz-sSr6WPp8

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  • I culdn't agree more. I t makes me want to go somewhee else. Is there anyone in charge of marketing! Or does ths content really sell!

  • mcorrmcorr Posts: 1,104
    edited January 2017

    If you look at all the wisdom traditions, philosophies and mythical/religious traditions in the world, there's more than just angels and wings. Take for example the centuries and millenia old art from the East: it always tells lengendary, epic archetypal stories that reach deep into--and resonate with--the unconscious and yearning for clarity, knowledge and truth in humanity. There are many different motifs that explore this. 

    With regard to what will/will not sell, look at how well George sold. An example of totally thinking outside of the DAZ box on what will sell -- no (1) skinny (2) girls with (3) flimmsy wear. I would argue that he fulfilled a need for realistic, diverse and well-done characters that help us to create renders, or pieces of art, that depict not just reality as we know it, but also our artist vision, which can, of course, also be purely imaginary. "Sumo" similarly explores something pretty much outside of the box.

    To return to my point, I'll bet that--just as a limited example--a Buddha, Hindu gods, a Shiva figure and the corresponding cloths, poses and props would sell well. I could give more examples, but these are some just off the top off my head. They help to complete the circle of human archetypes and would further supplement, augment and complete the symbols of the unconscious that inform, enlighten and regenerate.

    If any of you all play the card game Magic, you know what I mean. 5 colors, five forces of nature, 5 realities. Why doesn't DAZ go this route and truely empower it's clientel in a way that speaks to the human unconscious in irresistable ways? It would be a win-win for all.

    By the way, I hope Creature Creature 3 is awesome, with excellent textures. I'd definitely add it to my collection =)

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  • L'AdairL'Adair Posts: 9,479
    tetsabozo said:

    I culdn't agree more. I t makes me want to go somewhee else. Is there anyone in charge of marketing! Or does ths content really sell!

    It sells. If it didn't, DAZ wouldn't have bothered with a G7 base figure in the genre. The real question is whether or not a male counterpart is in the pipeline. My instinct says no, or Anneka would have been released early in the month, with the male released toward the end.

    She's definitely not my cuppa tea, as Serene Night said, but I'll probably end up buying her when the price is "right"... there are some add-on characters for her that are quite beautiful, if you leave off all the monster/creature stuff...

  • TSasha SmithTSasha Smith Posts: 27,258

    I tend to render women more then men but I am thinking of trying to change that when I get a render box again.  I think part of that is due to more fun stuff for the ladies than the men.  I want more fun stuff for men, even if it is gooey or gorey.

  • HavosHavos Posts: 5,581
    L'Adair said:
    tetsabozo said:

    I culdn't agree more. I t makes me want to go somewhee else. Is there anyone in charge of marketing! Or does ths content really sell!

    It sells. If it didn't, DAZ wouldn't have bothered with a G7 base figure in the genre. The real question is whether or not a male counterpart is in the pipeline. My instinct says no, or Anneka would have been released early in the month, with the male released toward the end.

    She's definitely not my cuppa tea, as Serene Night said, but I'll probably end up buying her when the price is "right"... there are some add-on characters for her that are quite beautiful, if you leave off all the monster/creature stuff...

    A lot of what I see posted in various galleries are renders of beautiful scanily clad (or unclad) females battling various strange creatures that are normally male. As such, whilst I can see a huge market for pretty white females, as far as creatures are concerned, I would have thought that male versions would have been equally (or more so) popular than female ones.

  • wizwiz Posts: 1,100
    mcorr said:

    is the product selection becoming distincly more goulish?

    Well, like Emerson said...

    A goulish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by little statesmen and philosophers and divines.

  • AllenArtAllenArt Posts: 7,175
    edited January 2017

    I really don't mind the ghoulish stuff...I like to do some creatures now and then ;) I think there's been a good mix of horror, scifi and fantasy. It's just that most of the horror stuff has been toward the end of last year and the beginning of this year that I believe ppl think there's too much of it. It's all been bunched together pretty much. Before there wasn't all that much of it before then if ya think about it. Just the odd Rawart release mostly (whom I really like btw) ;).

    Laurie

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  • ThatGuyThatGuy Posts: 797

    I'm just thankful that I'm not a big fan of the new items being released this month as it is giving my wallet some serious break.smiley

  • Griffin AvidGriffin Avid Posts: 3,815

    I was also wondering if some of these releases are late to the party and were originally meant to arrive for Halloween.

    I think the criticism isn't just LESS that, I think it's 'not just that'.

    Sometimes it feels like there's brand new stuff to buy every day and I'm scare not to check the front page for fear of missing something important.

    And then other times, I like the deals, but trying to make a decent package from what's on offer can be tough.

    Especially with some of these narrow interests being so heavily focused on.

  • mcorrmcorr Posts: 1,104
    ThatGuy said:

    I'm just thankful that I'm not a big fan of the new items being released this month as it is giving my wallet some serious break.smiley

    I've had the same thought.

  • mcorrmcorr Posts: 1,104
    edited January 2017

    As I had said:

    mcorr said:

    If you look at all the wisdom traditions, philosophies and mythical/religious traditions in the world, there's more than just angels and wings. Take for example the centuries and millenia old art from the East: it always tells lengendary, epic archetypal stories that reach deep into--and resonate with--the unconscious and yearning for clarity, knowledge and truth in humanity. There are many different motifs that explore this. 

    With regard to what will/will not sell, look at how well George sold. An example of totally thinking outside of the DAZ box on what will sell -- no (1) skinny (2) girls with (3) flimmsy wear. I would argue that he fulfilled a need for realistic, diverse and well-done characters that help us to create renders, or pieces of art, that depict not just reality as we know it, but also our artist vision, which can, of course, also be purely imaginary. "Sumo" similarly explores something pretty much outside of the box.

    To return to my point, I'll bet that--just as a limited example--a Buddha, Hindu gods, a Shiva figure and the corresponding cloths, poses and props would sell well. I could give more examples, but these are some just off the top off my head. They help to complete the circle of human archetypes and would further supplement, augment and complete the symbols of the unconscious that inform, enlighten and regenerate.

    If any of you all play the card game Magic, you know what I mean. 5 colors, five forces of nature, 5 realities. Why doesn't DAZ go this route and truely empower it's clientel in a way that speaks to the human unconscious in irresistable ways? It would be a win-win for all.

    By the way, I hope Creature Creature 3 is awesome, with excellent textures. I'd definitely add it to my collection =)

     

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  • Well, angels, wise-personages etc don't need a new G3F/M-7 character - they can be done with any of the regular characters plus wings and robes. There are enough wings in the store - it's the robes that are less easy for G3F/M - but a retexture of sorceress might work for an angel... The monsters need a special morph/skin, the good-guys tend to look like idealised versions of us.

    Hmmm...This is certainly true for the standard depiction of angels.  But, how about an angel "creature" that is a different being that not only has wings on its back but other non human features that make it of the Angel Race? - might be worth exploring.  I can think of several talented PAs that might come up with something new and cool. :)

    there are a lot of angel type creatures that are monstrous such as cherubs which are not what we see in v day stuff these little buggers have fangs and teeth and rip you to shreds. 

  • ummm ok guess I'm in the minority here for liking this stuff the fantasy, horror, pinup but does anybody actually take notice of what is sold here everyone seems to complain here about what I like but daz and the pas have been selling a lot of 'normal clothing" as well as other content. normal everday poses and males and some scifi stuff too a lot lately and then there's the sumo charcter/stuff or dosen't anyone take any notice here and just take notice of what you hate

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