Get Fit for the New Year - Tell me it's not sexist.
gerterasmus
Posts: 287
Yep, here I go again.
2 Years ago I started a complaint thread about how sexist DAZ was in their clothing department (the name of the thread was changed because 'sexist' in an EVIL word).
Anyway, it started much discussion, more threads, a slight improvement in the amount of male clothin in the shop (not enough, yet, and the quality's not always as good) and a comppetition for best male renders, which just finished its second successful year - thanks @Knittingmommy.
And now we all get to Get Fit for the New Year. Oh sorry. Got that wrong. Not All of us get to get fit. Only the ladies get to get fit. i guess art imitates life. Woman get bombarded with How-To-Lose--Weight articles, fashion magazines that tell you you MUST be a size zero, men like women who look pretty, you'll never get a man if you're fat, work out, eat less, look like Barbie.
And the guys? Well, screw them. Have a barrel instead of a six-pack. Zeddicus has a wonderfull set of weight-free workout poses - for women only. Want your man to do a push up? There's a very impractical but totally sexy push-up pose in one of the photo-model-pose-packs. Crunches, squats, elevated push-ups, planks... Nothing. Oh, you can get a twisting-crunch pose, in another photo-model-pose-pack over at renderosity.
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I'm not sure it's sexist, but I'd love a male version of the items and poses. The male content has been very good lately. Still not as much as the ladies, but I think the female stuff sells more. That said, go to any brick and mortar store and see the amount of clothes for women vs men. I'm the mother of five boys and I've certainly noticed the huge difference in the number of choices. Not sure it's sexism at work. Could be marketing and knowing what actually sells.
Anyone for tennis?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-4087600/Elisabetta-Gregoraci-36-flaunts-enviable-six-pack-abs-ample-assets-tiny-bikini-Kenya-husband-Flavio-Briatore-66-works-sweat-tennis-court.html
I am more bothered by the Space Merc of G3M has a helmet but the Star Slayer for G3F does not.
Definiteltly marketing for the male demagraphic. And how could they know what sells i they never make it? Make a work-out pose set for men. If it sells, then it sells. If it doesn't, well, then don't make another one, or make a better one. Don't just NOT do it because you think it won't sell.
Not to beat a dead horse, but I'm sure you can go previous threads on this topic to see where this topic will ultimately lead.
Those same threads will also have the very same answers to what you have posted. I would suggest you start from there as they will already have the answers you seek.
Will see if I can read through them, but not looking for answers, looking for suggestions and solutions.
@gerterasmus They have made it before. This isn't a new market. Daz/Poser figures have been around for YEARS. Sorry to say, from the perspectives of PAs I've read before, the male versions always sell way less than the female.
Those same threads also contains the same suggestions and solutions as well.
That's the thing with DAZ. It's an old market, but there are more and more people who start using it every year. What didn;t sell 3, 4, 5 years ago might be a new best seller if dusted off and updated. Might be just the thing new users are looking for.
There could be more people entering the market, however, that market still wants to render female content with iray. So the issue with male content still remains. As I said, this is still one of the conversations in one of the previous threads.
Let's see if I can sum up:
Vendors have made oodles of stuff and seen clear patterns of buyer activity. Mainly, that people more often buy: skimpware (which is also way easier to design), young white girls, sexystuff.
So a vendor has a pressure to make what will sell, because if you've just spent months of your time making a zoot suit and 5 people buy it, your creditors are not going to appreciate your artistic integrity.
On the flip side, there's a ton of confirmation bias. If your zoot suit is poorly designed and has bad promos and released just after a month of really compelling sales so everyone is low on budget, it's easy to think 'dang it, male content doesn't sell.'
The problem is that for people doing this for a living, a lot of content is risky. It MIGHT sell a lot, but it probably won't. And a lot of vendors take the risks anyway. I mean, look at Rawart. He takes loads of risks on really weird stuff. I'm hugely thankful that he does, because I LOVE weird notquitepeople and dragons, but he would probably make more money if he did nothing but sexy morphs and lingerie.
Monster lingerie! Now there's an untapped market!
http://www.daz3d.com/fm-gym-sit-up-benches-poses
http://www.daz3d.com/fm-gym-poses-workout-stations
Here are some.... If you search work out poses, there are more...
Llynara: ... stop giving me render ideas! :)
Also keep in mind, with a few adjustments most G3F poses will work for G3M. Also the Genesis 3 Cross figure resource kit can help convert some G3F items over to G3M, like clothing and hair.
Yes, but those you mention all involve workout stations and machinery... Try finding lunges, plank, raised push-ups, stretches like these http://www.daz3d.com/z-exercise-studio-and-poses for G3M...
Oh, go ahead. Do one. i want to see what you come up with.
G3M will work with those poses with adjustment (Mostly by moving the shoulder in both the bend and twist to clear the torso). I have those poses and I use them to test extreme bending on my characters.
I'm basically useless when it comes to posing. I'd get a part right, then pin that so it doesn't move, and when I try to move an arm, the only parts that move are the pinned parts. LMAO!
It's not to difficult with practice and it's smaller adjustments to adjust the arm area if the pose is holding or clasping hands. The alternative is really not having the pose at all and doing the whole pose yourself.
I always click on the bone I want to move, and then use the Parameter tab (or posing tab) for fine tuning. Everything else is just a waste of time wheh it comes to fine tuning. Also, you usually don't need to pin anything.
Though I've been a D|S user for over 10 years, I have yet to pose using the puppeteer method. I have always used the sliders and worked my way (laboriously) through the body parts. It can be tedious, but I never have to worry about pinning.
There's plenty more where that came from!
I double dog dare ya! Let's see some sexeh beasts!
Well my local Wal-Mart via a visual estimate has about 1/16 of the store devoted to women's and girl's clothing and maybe, 1/64th of the store devoted to men's & boy's clothing.
In essence you are calling women sexist for being interesting in looking clean, good, and attractive because I don't buy for a minute it's a male majority buting these products in such disproportionate ratios. If they were we'd see gaming and graphic novel themes being much more predominate and they are a mediocre 2nd to beautiful women.
Given what male graphic novels and gaming themes are I can't say that I'm disappointed that woman's beauty is a better seller then those themes.
I'm actually with Male-M3dia on the poses. I never, ever use a pose on a figure that is at 100% the shape the pose was designed for, so I am always adjusting poses. So unless a pose is ridiculously sexy (in which case it won't see a lot of use anyway) I have no problem using female poses on male figures and vice-versa.
I wouldn't mind more Sexy Guy Stuff, but one thing I've definately learned is that, other than Shirtless, there's far less unity on what a "sexy guy" is than what a "sexy girl" is.
For easy posing use the active pose tool in conjunction with the pins in the tool settings panel (as opposed to the universal tool pins). Select a body part with the active pose tool, go to the tool settings panel and select 'toggle pins'. A red pin will appear on the affected body part. For more rigid pins select 'pin at both' (and you will see 2 or more pins). Then drag other body parts as desired - as long as you use the active pose tool the pins work quite well. If you get jerky movement or body parts suddenly twisting in weird ways select your figure and turn off 'limits' in the parameters panel dropdown menu. It helps greatly of course to dock the tool setttings pane to your UI so you dont have to go to the panes dropdown menu each time you want to use it, which should be every time you pose imho. I couldnt imagine trying to pose using just the dials. In conjunction with active posing sure, of course, but just dials? No friggin way.
I spent my first two 'learning to Daz' years using the universal tool and the associated purple pins (not knowing any better) for posing, constant struggle, hair pulling frustration, then I read a post here by Richard about how to use the tool settings panel in conjunction with the active pose tool and all I can say is WORLDS OF DIFFERENCE.
I am now a fearless poser!
Or something.
MM3, my friend, I respect your determination, but I give up. LOL
@SickleYield Sorry I rehashed the same old thing again.
A long time back I did a dragon in stockings, does that count?
Let's see them!