New Here, PC Suggestions

unknownmystery445 · December 2016

Hi guys new in Daz and 3D stuff and I would just like to ask if I should get the i5 sky lake or the i7 sky lake? And should I get a 16 gb ram ddr4 or a 32 gb ram ddr4? The gpu that I'm getting is the 980 ti and I'll just use the pc for the usual like movies etc. and daz and iclone 6 and possibly other 3D programs like daz and iclone 6.

unknownmystery445 · December 2016

Hi guys new in Daz and 3D stuff and I would just like to ask if I should get the i5 sky lake or the i7 sky lake? And should I get a 16 gb ram ddr4 or a 32 gb ram ddr4? The gpu that I'm getting is the 980 ti and I'll just use the pc for the usual like movies etc. and daz and iclone 6 and possibly other 3D programs like daz and iclone 6.

unknownmystery445 · December 2016

I would like to know which is the most worth it, like i5 & 16gb ram; i7 & 16 gb ram and so on.

harshthakur · December 2016

I'd suggest looking at the "Iray Starter Scene: Post Your Benchmarks!" thread here: http://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/53771/iray-starter-scene-post-your-benchmarks/p1

unknownmystery445 · December 2016

harshthakur said:

I'd suggest looking at the "Iray Starter Scene: Post Your Benchmarks!" thread here: http://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/53771/iray-starter-scene-post-your-benchmarks/p1

Thanks for the reply, I've already checked this before but the posts here are mostly focused on the gpu and not the cpu and ram

Mattymanx · December 2016

I would recommend the i7 Skylake and 32GB of Ram

unknownmystery445 · December 2016

Mattymanx said:

I would recommend the i7 Skylake and 32GB of Ram

Can you kindly tell me why? I'm also just using daz and iclone as a hobby not really for professional use. Just an added info ????

Zylox · December 2016

The cpu and ram can affect render speed. The graphics card is good(I assume 6gb of vram), but with Iray materials larger scenes may exceed the vram. If you decide to render in 3Delight the graphics card won't be as important.

My personal suggestion would be to get the i7 Skylake and 16GB of ram in 2x 8GB sticks. If you decide you need more ram later you will be able to upgrade by buying two more sticks of 8GB ram(assuming 4 ram slots). You don't need a supercomputer to use Studio effectively. My computer has an AMD 3.2Ghz quad core with 8 GB ram and it does fine.

unknownmystery445 · December 2016

Zylox said:

The cpu and ram can affect render speed. The graphics card is good(I assume 6gb of vram), but with Iray materials larger scenes may exceed the vram. If you decide to render in 3Delight the graphics card won't be as important.

My personal suggestion would be to get the i7 Skylake and 16GB of ram in 2x 8GB sticks. If you decide you need more ram later you will be able to upgrade by buying two more sticks of 8GB ram(assuming 4 ram slots). You don't need a supercomputer to use Studio effectively. My computer has an AMD 3.2Ghz quad core with 8 GB ram and it does fine.

May I know what exactly would be the difference if I get the i7 from the i5?

Zylox · December 2016

I am not an expert on Intel cpus, but The i7(4ghz) is faster than the i5(3.5ghz). I don''t know what your budget is, but in general I suggest the fastest cpu you can afford. For movies, either cpu would be fine. For Studio or gaming, the faster cpu becomes more important.

JCThomas · December 2016

Desktop i7s have hyper threading enabled, i5s do not. Hyperthreading enables virtual cores, so a 4 core i7 has 8 threads, a 4 core i5 has 4 threads.

We can help a more if you provide a budget.

prixat · December 2016

If you have the model numbers for those chips we can be more specific.

An i7 can have between 4 and 10 cores. The i5 is limited to 4 cores.
The big difference is that the i7 has Hyperthreading, which improves the efficiency of the chip, think of it as getting the equivalent of an extra core with an i7.

FirstBastion · December 2016

When it comes to 3D in general, more (ram or cuda cores) is always better. Buy the best system you can afford at this time. Hopefully it lasts you a few years. That said, I picked up a 16 gig i7 with a gtx980 last year and it's more than adequate to do what I need to render. That same system bought today costs $800 dollars less now. I'm figuring I'll get another year out of it before needing to upgrade.

BeeMKay · December 2016

More RAM is useful when you render in Iray and have no nVidea GPU, or not enough VRAM on your VCard to hold the scene. The entire scene size that was send to the graphic card will end up being added to your already existing scene size in the RAM. That usually doubles RAM-usage, so an 8GB scene would usually lead to a memory crash with a 16GB RAM system.

That I know from my own experience. After upgrading from 16GB to 32 GB RAM, I can now render scenes larger than two dressed&haired HD people in an environment.

unknownmystery445 · December 2016

BeeMKay said:

More RAM is useful when you render in Iray and have no nVidea GPU, or not enough VRAM on your VCard to hold the scene. The entire scene size that was send to the graphic card will end up being added to your already existing scene size in the RAM. That usually doubles RAM-usage, so an 8GB scene would usually lead to a memory crash with a 16GB RAM system.

That I know from my own experience. After upgrading from 16GB to 32 GB RAM, I can now render scenes larger than two dressed&haired HD people in an environment.

so you mean, you'll have a hard time rendring two fully clothed chracters using a 16 gb ram? and is the ram more important than cpu?

unknownmystery445 · December 2016

FirstBastion said:

When it comes to 3D in general, more (ram or cuda cores) is always better. Buy the best system you can afford at this time. Hopefully it lasts you a few years. That said, I picked up a 16 gig i7 with a gtx980 last year and it's more than adequate to do what I need to render. That same system bought today costs $800 dollars less now. I'm figuring I'll get another year out of it before needing to upgrade.

So I shoud get the i7 skylake and the 32 gb ram because it'll last me a few years anyway?

Chohole · December 2016

duplicate threads merged, please do not post similar threads in 2 different forums thank you.

BeeMKay · December 2016

unknownmystery445 said:

BeeMKay said:

More RAM is useful when you render in Iray and have no nVidea GPU, or not enough VRAM on your VCard to hold the scene. The entire scene size that was send to the graphic card will end up being added to your already existing scene size in the RAM. That usually doubles RAM-usage, so an 8GB scene would usually lead to a memory crash with a 16GB RAM system.

That I know from my own experience. After upgrading from 16GB to 32 GB RAM, I can now render scenes larger than two dressed&haired HD people in an environment.

so you mean, you'll have a hard time rendring two fully clothed chracters using a 16 gb ram? and is the ram more important than cpu?

No, you will have no problems rendering just two characters. Three characters with hair, HD and clothing, in a room or other environment, using Iray - yes, that can get tricky. Four characters will crash in many cases. But again, that is just the case if you have no (or no nVidea) graphic card, or the scene doesn't fit on the card.

The CPU is what gives you speed, the RAM is what dictates the max size of the scenes you are rendering.

I bough my PC for rendering in 3Delight, and 16GB was more than sufficient for most scenes. For most "average" stuff, the scene size itself rarely goes beyond 8-10GB. With Iray, 16GB is not that much space once the render starts, and it doesn't fit on the graphic card (or, like i said, you don't have an nVidea card).

What got the render-speed up significantly in Iray was adding an nVidea card with 2500+ CUDA cores. That card does nothing for rendering in 3Delight, of course, and also doesn't help if my scene is too large and won't fit on the card's VRAM.

AllenArt · December 2016

Mattymanx said:

I would recommend the i7 Skylake and 32GB of Ram

Same. I have an i7 skylake laptop with a 970 (6gb) and 16 gigs of ram and I wish I'd put more ram in it. It renders well for Iray, but that's about all it can handle so if you intend on reading email while you're rendering and you have my specs, you may as well forget it ;).

Laurie

NGartplay · December 2016

Something to think about is what if you get so into Daz Studio that you want to create product, sell animations, etc.? You may be sorry that you did not buy the biggest and best right off the bat. I know because this is what happened to me other softwares and computers and such. My first couple of computers were wimpy and had to update only a few years after buying them. My Windows 7 I bought fully loaded and I'm still using it over 7 years later.

unknownmystery445 · December 2016

BeeMKay said:

unknownmystery445 said:

BeeMKay said:

More RAM is useful when you render in Iray and have no nVidea GPU, or not enough VRAM on your VCard to hold the scene. The entire scene size that was send to the graphic card will end up being added to your already existing scene size in the RAM. That usually doubles RAM-usage, so an 8GB scene would usually lead to a memory crash with a 16GB RAM system.

That I know from my own experience. After upgrading from 16GB to 32 GB RAM, I can now render scenes larger than two dressed&haired HD people in an environment.

so you mean, you'll have a hard time rendring two fully clothed chracters using a 16 gb ram? and is the ram more important than cpu?

No, you will have no problems rendering just two characters. Three characters with hair, HD and clothing, in a room or other environment, using Iray - yes, that can get tricky. Four characters will crash in many cases. But again, that is just the case if you have no (or no nVidea) graphic card, or the scene doesn't fit on the card.

The CPU is what gives you speed, the RAM is what dictates the max size of the scenes you are rendering.

I bough my PC for rendering in 3Delight, and 16GB was more than sufficient for most scenes. For most "average" stuff, the scene size itself rarely goes beyond 8-10GB. With Iray, 16GB is not that much space once the render starts, and it doesn't fit on the graphic card (or, like i said, you don't have an nVidea card).

What got the render-speed up significantly in Iray was adding an nVidea card with 2500+ CUDA cores. That card does nothing for rendering in 3Delight, of course, and also doesn't help if my scene is too large and won't fit on the card's VRAM.

May I know the build of your PC? And the render time and PC performance that you have when you have like one character in a full environment w/ clothes, 2 characters, 3 characters, and 4 characters? If it's okay :)

unknownmystery445 · December 2016

NGartplay said:

Something to think about is what if you get so into Daz Studio that you want to create product, sell animations, etc.? You may be sorry that you did not buy the biggest and best right off the bat. I know because this is what happened to me other softwares and computers and such. My first couple of computers were wimpy and had to update only a few years after buying them. My Windows 7 I bought fully loaded and I'm still using it over 7 years later.

You have a point, the only thing that's hindering me is what if I don't really use daz in the long run the PC that I bought will not be used in its full potential but I'm hearing towards buying a powerful PC bec I've never had one considering I've been using macs which aren't that powerful. I'm just going to start using PC as one of my main computers by the way. :)

BeeMKay · December 2016

unknownmystery445 said:

BeeMKay said:

unknownmystery445 said:

BeeMKay said:

More RAM is useful when you render in Iray and have no nVidea GPU, or not enough VRAM on your VCard to hold the scene. The entire scene size that was send to the graphic card will end up being added to your already existing scene size in the RAM. That usually doubles RAM-usage, so an 8GB scene would usually lead to a memory crash with a 16GB RAM system.

That I know from my own experience. After upgrading from 16GB to 32 GB RAM, I can now render scenes larger than two dressed&haired HD people in an environment.

so you mean, you'll have a hard time rendring two fully clothed chracters using a 16 gb ram? and is the ram more important than cpu?

No, you will have no problems rendering just two characters. Three characters with hair, HD and clothing, in a room or other environment, using Iray - yes, that can get tricky. Four characters will crash in many cases. But again, that is just the case if you have no (or no nVidea) graphic card, or the scene doesn't fit on the card.

The CPU is what gives you speed, the RAM is what dictates the max size of the scenes you are rendering.

I bough my PC for rendering in 3Delight, and 16GB was more than sufficient for most scenes. For most "average" stuff, the scene size itself rarely goes beyond 8-10GB. With Iray, 16GB is not that much space once the render starts, and it doesn't fit on the graphic card (or, like i said, you don't have an nVidea card).

What got the render-speed up significantly in Iray was adding an nVidea card with 2500+ CUDA cores. That card does nothing for rendering in 3Delight, of course, and also doesn't help if my scene is too large and won't fit on the card's VRAM.

May I know the build of your PC? And the render time and PC performance that you have when you have like one character in a full environment w/ clothes, 2 characters, 3 characters, and 4 characters? If it's okay :)

well, I can't tell you for the Characters, as render times depend a lot on various settings, and content used - what hair is used, HD/no HD, etc.

But from the benchmark scene that has one character, here's my result: http://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/53771/iray-starter-scene-post-your-benchmarks/p11

CPU I7-4770, 32GB memory, Geforce GTX 980Ti, not overclocked. The card also drives a regular monitor.Rendering in 4.8

GPU only, Optix Prime Acceleration ON
Total Rendering Time: 2 minutes 53.41 seconds; 5000 iterations, 32.257s init, 139.670s rende

GPU only, Optix Prime Acceleration OFF
Total Rendering Time: 4 minutes 17.71 seconds; 5000 iterations, 35.365s init, 221.385s render

GPU & CPU, Optix Prime Acceleration ON
Total Rendering Time: 2 minutes 56.78 seconds; (GeForce GTX 980 Ti): 4607 iterations, 33.227s init, 142.541s render; CPU (7 threads): 393 iterations, 13.537s init, 161.771s render

GPU & CPU, Optix Prime Acceleration OFF
Total Rendering Time: 4 minutes 25.43 seconds; (GeForce GTX 980 Ti): 4532 iterations, 45.793s init, 218.612s render; CPU (7 threads): 468 iterations, 13.639s init, 250.487s render

BeeMKay · December 2016

unknownmystery445 said:

NGartplay said:

Something to think about is what if you get so into Daz Studio that you want to create product, sell animations, etc.? You may be sorry that you did not buy the biggest and best right off the bat. I know because this is what happened to me other softwares and computers and such. My first couple of computers were wimpy and had to update only a few years after buying them. My Windows 7 I bought fully loaded and I'm still using it over 7 years later.

You have a point, the only thing that's hindering me is what if I don't really use daz in the long run the PC that I bought will not be used in its full potential but I'm hearing towards buying a powerful PC bec I've never had one considering I've been using macs which aren't that powerful. I'm just going to start using PC as one of my main computers by the way. :)

Well... the PC is a pretty huge investment, and I'd only go that road if you are certain that this is "for you", and "what you want to do". If you know that you quickly tire of work-intensive hobbies that need constant learning and "selfteaching", and where you will have many, many failed attempts before something comes out that is half-way acceptable... Think twice before investing this much.

For me, once I had done a few renders with my old and slow PC, I knew that this was "my thing", even if I won't get anywhere near the fantastic images others can create. But rendering makes me happy, and all that tinkering and fiddeling keeps my brain occupied, and I finally have that visual story-telling outlet I always dreamed about. I even can do small-scale animation stuff now, if I'm really adventerous.

I know I spent, all in all, after upgrading the graphic card and memory, around 2000 Euros in my system. Part of that money went into a better cooling, a better power supply (also one that's large enough so I can upgrade the system), an SSD for main drive.

Ostadan · December 2016

"Better - Faster - Cheaper: choose two."

JCThomas · December 2016

Sorry if I missed it, but I still don't see where you've mentioned a budget, which leads me to believe that budget isn't that much of a concern. If that's the case, 6700K, 32GB RAM. If you do indeed have a specific budget, you can spend it in such a way that maximizes your performance in the applications you've indicated.

unknownmystery445 · December 2016

JCThomas said:

Sorry if I missed it, but I still don't see where you've mentioned a budget, which leads me to believe that budget isn't that much of a concern. If that's the case, 6700K, 32GB RAM. If you do indeed have a specific budget, you can spend it in such a way that maximizes your performance in the applications you've indicated.

Thank you for the replies, I just chose the 6700k and 32 GB bec I want to have pc that's already really powerful and my artworks won't be limited and I'll also just use it for a long time :) can you kindly tell me what exactly is the purpose of having an i7 cpu? I mean I know daz focuses on gpu right? Considering I already have the 980ti what benefit and what improvements will the i7 cpu give in using daz?

unknownmystery445 · December 2016

BeeMKay said:

unknownmystery445 said:

NGartplay said:

Something to think about is what if you get so into Daz Studio that you want to create product, sell animations, etc.? You may be sorry that you did not buy the biggest and best right off the bat. I know because this is what happened to me other softwares and computers and such. My first couple of computers were wimpy and had to update only a few years after buying them. My Windows 7 I bought fully loaded and I'm still using it over 7 years later.

You have a point, the only thing that's hindering me is what if I don't really use daz in the long run the PC that I bought will not be used in its full potential but I'm hearing towards buying a powerful PC bec I've never had one considering I've been using macs which aren't that powerful. I'm just going to start using PC as one of my main computers by the way. :)

Well... the PC is a pretty huge investment, and I'd only go that road if you are certain that this is "for you", and "what you want to do". If you know that you quickly tire of work-intensive hobbies that need constant learning and "selfteaching", and where you will have many, many failed attempts before something comes out that is half-way acceptable... Think twice before investing this much.

For me, once I had done a few renders with my old and slow PC, I knew that this was "my thing", even if I won't get anywhere near the fantastic images others can create. But rendering makes me happy, and all that tinkering and fiddeling keeps my brain occupied, and I finally have that visual story-telling outlet I always dreamed about. I even can do small-scale animation stuff now, if I'm really adventerous.

I know I spent, all in all, after upgrading the graphic card and memory, around 2000 Euros in my system. Part of that money went into a better cooling, a better power supply (also one that's large enough so I can upgrade the system), an SSD for main drive.

I actually already tried it using my Mac but it was slow that's why I've decided to buy a PC, by the way how exactly will the i7 benefit using Daz? I mean isn't daz focused on GPU? And considering my GPU is already 980 ti, how would using an i7 benefit using daz? :) By the way I've already decided to buy the i7 and the 32gb of ram but I still just wan to know how an i7 can improve using daz. :)

nicstt · December 2016

AT the moment I'd say an I7; 32GB RAM. (Make sure you get a good PSU - false economy to buy a cheap one)

The new AMD Ryzen CPU is due out early next year; it will have 8 cores and 16 threads, and (I'm going to guess) be much more competatively priced than Intel's are.

No matter what you decide on, if the new AMD offering is as good as the early info suggest it is - it will have an effect on prices.

If it doesn't, well you've spent the time better figuring out what you need and want, and can afford - plus you might have saved up a bit more.

Waiting is never a bad thing.:)

BeeMKay · December 2016

Well, the CPU will be an issue whenever your render is too large for the VRam of the card. Or you decide to give 3Delight a try.

Also, a faster CPU helps in regards to render speed even if you are rendering GPU only. Plus, if you are thinking "future", you might buy an application that wins with a fast CPU, but doesn't use the GPU.

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