I can't buy DAZ products anymore, they're all made for DAZ only? I use poser.
Flortale
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All the products coming out now are for DAZ only. Why did you guys abandon Poser?
OBJ files are OBJ files, just import them into poser, apply the materials and save it out to the materials library. A few hours ain't going to kill you and you'll make more money.
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Quite a lot of the newer PAs here probably do not even own a copy of Poser, so even the simple step you have described would not be possible. In addition a number of PAs have stated that it would be unprofessional to just slap default Poser shaders onto the obj files and then call it Poser compatible, a fair number of Poser users would strongly critize them for that. As a consequence, making something Poser compatible is more likely to be several days of work, not a few hours.
Yea liplin, it sucks. I was a proud Poser user for 8 years.
However, we live in a Post-Poser/Daz Studio generation now. Almost everything is made for Daz Studio. The sooner you make the transition, the less painful it will be. Trust me.
Additionally, anything made for Genesis 3 isn't going to work in Poser anyway because Genesis 3 doesn't use DSON for Poser. Most of us are making products for Genesis 3 these days.
Also you can share you concerns directly with SM: https://forum.smithmicro.com/category/9/poser There's a few things that won't work in poser because it doesn't contain things Genesis needs.
the PA's that post on the forum claim they do not make much money but need to do a lot of work to get things into Poser.
I have to take their word for this but do agree an obj export from DAZ studio for people using other software of props is not that hard, its what I do with their products for my other softwares and for people who have no desire to install DAZ studio for what ever reason, a separate optional obj download would not be hard at all.
A lot of Max, Maya, C4D users would scoff at installing DAZ studio but might still buy premade content as props, many no doubt come to the DAZ site perplexed at lack of obj with textures and post occasionally on forum before moving on to Turbosquid etc.
As a Carrara user I too bemoan the DAZ studio only trend but am still doing workarounds as best as I can but indeed feel your pain.
But this is something you can do yourself. DS is free and this is something anyone can do themselves on any model. When a PA does it, it becomes QA/Testing and packaging product time that can be used for other things. Obj export in a product isn't as easy as some think.
Most of my sets make heavy use of instances, which Poser doesn't support. Otherwise . . . yeah, I like selling more stuff, so if Smith Micro adds instancing support, I'll definitely look at it. (As to whether the extra sales are worth the extra effort, that's another discussion!)
A lot of Max, Maya, C4D users would scoff at installing DAZ studio but might still buy premade content as props, many no doubt come to the DAZ site perplexed at lack of obj with textures and post occasionally on forum before moving on to Turbosquid etc.
—-—------------------------------+".. Upon what is such a claim based??. if one. has any serious need to use a Peice of application specific content ; one would install that FREE software to export the object files. simple logic. it is no different. than a person wanting to create. smoke& fluid simulation from blender but refusing to install blender. one can not fairly blame DAZ merchants for ones personal philosophy regarding your use of NON DAZ software as they make content for. DAZ studio.I said I do it
and I sometimes use DAZ studio, read my post.
however I frequently see people posting queries on this forum about DAZ content who are totally unfamiliar with it but use obj etc, if they are not scared off by the usual replies they get asking about obj files some may try it but probably most don't.
I see such posts all the time on other forums too such as the Reallusion iClone forum and usually try to talk them through the process.
OK its too hard to provide obj files and textures obviously, Stonemason does it and many pro software users buy his stuff from what I have seen, others not desiring to cater for that market are welcome to ignore it, 3Daxis, Dosch designs, Digimation and others do cater for them so I guess there is no need if DAZ studio users alone are a big enough market, pardon my utter ignorance.
http://www.daz3d.com/dsf-toolbox
is another way for the Original Poster
I finally transitioned to DS after using Poser for nearly 20 years. I know you don't like it but those are our choices. Stay with Poser and have no nice figures to use in it (well, until maybe Erogenesis' Project E comes out, if ever, and then that's only one female figure), quit the hobby completely or start using DS. Harsh realities but those are the choices :( Once you learn DS there's nothing that says you can't use both.
Laurie
Can't really see the problem other than adamantly sticking to a personal preference. DAZ naturally would prefer to support DAZ Studio (which they generously offer as a free application and using it is relatively intuitive).
The hard facts are, if you really want/need to use a product but it's DAZ exclusive, then use DAZ. Don't want to because of Poser comfort/preference? With respect, that's your prerogative and choice. That's just the way it is because, let's face it, Poser and DAZ are business competitors.
It is hard to change sometimes. But quite honestly poser seems like it has fallen behind with their products and support. You only need to look at their store. I felt a bit left behind when Iray was implemented but since have gotten used to it. I would suggest giving Studio a try, it is modern software and easy to use.
I don't really know what the deal is or has been but for a long time now about 98% of Daz products from new characters to props and scenes have all been made exclusively for Daz Studio
and I find it very frsutrating to say the least. I have been a Poser user for more then 18 years now and I am very confordable with the program, I have tried Daz Studio on a few occasions and while the program is not as easy as Poser It does have good things about it, I suppose I could really learn to use Daz studio if I really wanted to but to be honest I really don't like it at all and really don't see myself in the future learning it or using it, I am happy with Poser but it has been frustraing that the Daz people have created new characters and other things that can't be installed into Poser anymore unless you have the DSON installed which I have tried and using that turns out to be a real pain in the ass! I sure hope one day the Daz people will wake up and find a away to make their new stuff and new content that will install directly to Poser like it used to as their are still a lot of poser users only. There is still tons of new content coming out but mostly available at Renderosity which seems to cater to mostly Poser users, of course Renderosity does have content for just Daz Studio but more on the Poser side in in the respect Renderosity's store has Daz3d beat by a mile in content. I used to buy content from Daz years ago but since 98% of their stores content is for their studio I saw no point on coming here anymore, Its a real shame that Daz has went in the direction.
This discussion has been beaten to death for a while, but simply it's not up to DAZ to add features in Poser so DAZ Studio content can work without plugins. Things such as instancing or Dual Quaternion weighmapping do not exist in Poser. Those are things that you would need request from Smith Micro.
Perhaps you could submit an issue ticket at Smith Micro and request those items.
The "deal" is that Smith Micro is one company and Daz3D is another company. Each makes decisions based on their own companies (like any other). One company went one way and one went the other. It's not Daz's fault. It's not SM's fault. It's life. One either adapts or one doesn't. Simple as that. Daz certainly isn't any more obligated to make their figures work in Poser than SM is to make their figures work in DS.
FWIW, the only reason Daz Studio even exists is because Poser nearly dried up and went away once before and Daz had to either come up with a solution or possibly die along with them.
Laurie
there a couple a poser figures wish would work in carrara, miki3, tyler and anastasia, weightmapped vickie4, weightmapped davod3, but the poser wm doesn't work in carrara or ds
No one is forcing you to use DAZ Studio or to buy non-Poser compatible products. That sounds harsh, but that's the way it is. DAZ certainly would like you to buy from the store, but the company is not obligated to bend over backwards just so you can use them in Poser. And yet, they did still try with earlier Genesis figures through DSON. However, the technology being used by DAZ Studio and its newer products is no longer compatible with whatever Poser has and there's no fix-all compromise to it (even DSON didn't work so well, and it's a lot of effort which still doesn't guarantee consistent success).
If you find that fact irksome, then complain to Smith Micro that their tech does not work with DAZ products. Otherwise, you either use DAZ Studio to be able to use their shiny new products or you don't so you're stuck with the older stuff. Choose one or the other and be content with that decision. That's as straightforward as it gets.
Isn't there a free script at the other site that helps make Genesis 3 work in Poser? I've seen promos for it.
From what I've heard the fault is Smithmicro's. Daz was willing to work with them so they could make Poser compatible with Studio files and Smithmicro told them to go pound sand down a rat hole. So we end up with Daz Studio which can use both Poser files and Daz Studio files and Poser which can only use Poser files.
I get asked all the time to make my stuff for Poser but I don't own a copy of Poser and don't feel like spending the money to buy it. If it's possible to make things Poser compatible in DS then there's nothing stopping Poser users from exporting the products from Daz Studio themselves and then doing whatever it is they need to do in Poser to get them to work. They'll be in a better position than I will be to do it since they've got an actual copy of Poser and I don't.
Linking directly to the script...no, that's not allowed. Mentioning it exists and where is fine.
I don't think blaming or pointing fingers at anyone is going to help. DS and Poser are two separate programs, just like Poser and iClone are separate programs. Neither is obligated to make their stuff work in the other. That's really how simple it is. LOL.
Laurie
Other stores...
I tend to agree with everybody that this is a fait accompli and the ships have long since moved out of site of each other. I have learned both programs and bought a ton of content for both. But what is driving me back to Poser is that at least for my 2008 computer DAZ Studio with all the smart content and DAZ connect it has gone astray and takes 5-10 minutes to reload several thousand meta whatever everytime I start it up. So I am moving back to Poser because it runs like a champ and also I like the new Superfly renderer. But I have been buying like crazy here at DAZ (big thank you for the RDNA part of the PC club sale) so I am a happy camper.
I think most people know about getting Genesis 3 into Poser, only it's not exactly easy or quick and can have mixed results. Not an optimal solution (DSON, as generous an effort as it is, wasn't an optimal solution either.) It's one of the reasons I just started using DS rather than try and use the Genesis figures in Poser.
Laurie
In DS, you can tell it to work offline and it will no longer update metadata on start up. I also only use the default Content Tab instead of the Smart Content Tab.
As for Daz Connect item, especially those that are encrypted, as long as you have connected your DS4.9 to your account once, you can down load the offline packeages and install them manually.
http://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/comment/990392/#Comment_990392
There is a tutorial and downloadable items on Rend**os**y and CG By**s that will allow you to use G3F and G3M and V7 and M7 in Poser 11,
as well as previous generations. Plus Hiv*W**e and others sell items for Poser world. Try looking for genesis 3 to poser 11 without going into daz studio on Rend**os**y.
I have mega add-ons for DS Pro 4.9 and I have Poser 11 Pro (so both cost something to get full value). I like them both in different ways. And BTW you can use DS without using Smart content.
I do it on my laptop and on my desktop I use smart content when it is useful. The content library in DS works very well so Smart content is not mandatory. Just avoid DAZ Connect-Only products if you do not want to to be locked-in for 12 months from release date to DAZ. They identify the DAZ Connect-Only benefit on each product page. Under install types, if it ONLY SAYS Daz Connect then it is restricted. If it says DIM and/or manual install then it is unrestricted.
http://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/comment/1015339/#Comment_1015339
DAZ figures can be used in Poser with a few steps and some work with materials and the like. There are numerous utilities that can help users adopt them.
I'd just like to point out something, in the interest of community spirit:
There is no reason why we, as 3D enthusiasts, can't ask creators to think about creating products for our favored applications. We all benefit from their work in one way or another. Unfortunately, customers of all types get caught up in competitive issues between manufacturers and it's not limited to smartphones, furniture, grocery stores or computer applications.
But, we can still empathize with each other. We can support each other and we can still acknowledge the strengths, and weaknesses, of our preferred hobby products without becoming partisans in a commercial struggle.
Happy rendering, all, no matter what application you like to use!