Is this system powerful enough to run Daz???
beachlegs
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I was hoping someone can please help, I really want to get back into Daz Studio, The computer I have at the momant is old and sad and there is no memory to talk about so I went today to have a computer that is powerful enough made for what I need....They are going to put a 3GB Graphics Card Gforce GTX 1060, 32GB RAM, 3TB hard drive is this enough for me to run Daz with iray or without as the case may be without running out of memory? If not what is needed I also use Poser but it is Daz that I would love to get back into. Thank you for any help.
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You would have been better off with a 4 gig gfx card, but it's certainly powerful enough, yes.
Laurie
Thank you Allen that is good to know because it is not too late to change it, Thank goodness I asked here I appreciate you helping me :)
when select video cards for iRay, better choose Cuda Cores and Memory, not necessary a new model of GTX is better for rendering, IMHO
Sorry ment AllenArt Laurie...Thank you :)
I have a 6 yr old core i7 w 16 gb of ram and an older GTX760 w 4gb. It runs , iray, octane and Superfly without issues. Your system should be okay.
The 6Gb version of the GTX 1060 would be much better if you can afford it, With a 3Gb card you'll be fairly limited on how much you can fit in a scene and use the GPU to render. If your careful you may be able to do 2 clothed figures with 3Gb, with 6Gb you can use 3 fully clothed figures. To give you an idea about what will fit on a 6Gb card, the two scenes linked below came very close to maxing out my 6Gb card (I also use if for the monitor, they usesd over 90% of my GPU memory).
http://www.daz3d.com/gallery/#images/239791
http://www.daz3d.com/gallery/#images/162366
Otherwise, you should be very happy with you system (if you primarily do single figure scenes, the 3Gb card may server you well).
Edit: WOW, my typing was way to slow (got a bit distracted in the middle of answering too).
Thank you Zilvergrafix and JVRenderer I have decided to get the GTX 6gb hopefully this should cover it :)
If you get a 10xx, it is currently only supported by the current BETA of DAZ Studio. Also, there seem to be some problems with the new Cuda/Iray driver and some CPUs, but you maybe best check out the BETA thread for that.
Thank you so much DustRider and BeeMKay I really appreciate your help and the links also....I think although I never add more than two figures the 6gb is going to be enough for me for now can always add more at a later date if poor hubby doesnt have a heart attack first lol
Hi Beachlegs this is the same system I have only I dont have a Nvidia card,I have a radeon so things take longer,I think you will really see a difference, I had a really old 2gb dual core when i started.Definately go for the 32gb ram,you did not mention the processor,good luck with it.
Hello my friend :) Thank you the processor is intel i5 quadcore.
Even with 4GB, that is the minimum spec for Iray; depending on your scenes you might find yourself rendering in cpu anyway.
3TB could perhaps be made 2TB, but again that depends how much content you have and how much more you might get; so depending on cost, it might be better to stick with that.
I'd certainly sacrifice a TB to get more RAM on the graphics card.
An i5 is ok, as long as one of the better ones; an i7 would be better.
If you plan to render with Iray, there is no such thing as too much RAM; if 3Delight is your thing, then 32GB of system RAM is good, but more would be better.
It all comes down to cost, budget, and what you can stretch it to.
The three things to concentrate on; CPU, RAM and Graphics Card (and its RAM).
Sacrifice an SSD; it does make your system more responsive under certain cirumstances; it does NOT help with rendering.
Thank you very much nicstt will certainly keep all that in mind, This is very helpful and I appreciate you taking the time to explain it does make things clearer :)
Hi beachlegs,Mine is a i17 ,it might be better,but the Nvidia card will make a difference,I agree with nicsst dont bother with an SSD it fills to quickly is not really much faster and makes it hard to find anything,because of 2 harddrives.A 2TB seems big enough.Cant wait to see your work in daz Iray!!
Honestly, I would return the following:
- 1060
- 16GB of that 32GB of ram
Swap it for a 980 Ti since it has 2800 CUDA cores (more cores = less render time). The 1060 only has ~1200 CUDA. Also, amateurs (like you and me) don't get anywhere near 16GB of needed ram. But your system is by no means bad. You can use Daz Studio either way. :)
RAM can be added later, as long as the system leaves slots free as delivered (worth checking). GPUs can, if the power supply is up to it and the case has space, be added later alongside the existing GPU. The CPU and motherboard can only be replaced if they prove underpowered for your needs, there's no inremental expansion option.
...a 980Ti (no longer produced) is more expensive than even a GTX 1080. On average I have seen them priced around 750$ and in some cases just shy of what the 12 GB Maxwell Titan-X retailed for. Onthe other hand, an 8 GB 1070 has 1920 cores and retails for around 400$. The Pascal architecture and GDDR5X memory is also more efficient, even a Pascal GTX 1070 benchmarks better than a Maxwell Titan-X.
http://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-GTX-Titan-X-vs-Nvidia-GTX-1070/3282vs3609
Maxwell cards are also more power hungry than the Pascal ones, a GTX 980 takes up to 250 W at peak output, a GTX 1070: 150 W
Meanwhile, the difference in cost between 16 and 32 GB is not that much, you will be saving only about 85$ - 90$ which is no where near the cost differential between even a GTX 1070 and 908 Ti . The last thing you want is to have rendering go into is swap mode (I have 12 GB and it happens with some regularity). Remember Windows and system utilities reserve a portion of your physical memory (on mine with W7, about 1.3 GB leaving me with 10.7 GB, I have scenes that when open in Daz in "idle mode" take up over 8 GB). If your system comes with Windows 10, the OS also reserves a portion of your VRAM which will not be available for rendering. I believe with a 6 GB card you actually have something like only 4.8 GB available so if your scene exceeds that it drops to CPU mode, no amount of CUDA cores will help. If you can get a "downgrade" to even W8.1, I would do it. If you can get W7 Pro, all the better.
I got my 980Ti about 4 or 5 months ago for about 465 bucks. Newegg.
Laurie
OK I cant thank you all enough I really appreciate the help each and everyone has given me in making my decision this is what I am going to get intel i7 Processor, GForce GTX 6GB Graphics card, 64GB RAM DDR4 if this doesnt help me nothing will lol Thank you all :)
...the lowest I see them there now for is 739$ and one that is 999$.
...now there I would stick with the 32 GB and go for the GTX 1070 as the differential is more for the extra 32 GB of memory than it is between the price of the GTX 1060 and 1070. The 1070 will give you one half again as many cores as the 1060 has plus an extra 2 GB VRAM. If you are going to be using Iray and doing GPU rendering more VRAM is always better.
Which custom build house are you going through?
I use Windows 8.0; it does NOT reserve any RAM on the card I use for rendering.
I use 3 monitors and so the 970 is probably busy with other stuff, so I don't use it for rendering anyway.
Have fun with your new system. It's early days, but the 1070 does look like it will be as good as the 980ti, so I'd compare costs. And a card that uses less electric is also a bonus. Oh and if you are comparing CUDA cores, don't compare them from different generations of card without considering other factors come into play.
...that last statement: truth.
True neither W7 or 8 reserve that large amount of VRam like W10 does. The Aero UI in 7 did take some but that was the first thing I turned off after booting my system up for the first time.
This is a screen shot of my GTX 1060 memory usage in Win 10 with no programs open.
159 MB does not seem enough to worry about.
I got my 3x 6gb 780's 2304 cuda cores for about $350 each refurbished and I recently purchased a 8gb 1070 1920 cuda cores for $380 (needed to replace the aging 640gt 2gb card that was just running monitors for me. I like that they work well together and I am upgrading my i7 3930k 6 core for a Xenon 2.9 ghz 8 core. I updated my other system to a Xenon 2.6 ghz 8 core and it just flys thru everyting. If you can find a x79 intel socket 2011 board you can get some very decently priced Xenon processors for your render machine. You can't go wrong with intel products. I own a AMD 8core with a 290 radeon with Windows 10 and it is a pain. I don't like Windows 10 but it is the only way to run directx 12 although there are no real dx12 games on that system yet.
The 1070 if a better deal you may have less cuda cores but it does come with 8gb of video ram and that will give you more leway to keep from falling into CPU render mode.
...ahh have to run some errands but I'll check to see the pricing between the different options there when I get home.
I live in the states (Oregon) so generally go through Newegg which is just down the coast in California from me which is why I genmerally use them for pricing. I also build my own systems as well.
So Web Systems LTD is building it then, correct?
If possible, go higher than 16 GB...
Comparing number of cores between generations is not worth it. The lower number of cores in the 1060 are not the same as the cores in th 980Ti. Granted that 980 will still be a great preformer, but with it's lower memory, what good are those 'extra' cores, if it's not being used?