Lucille (AKA Zombie Livinia)
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As Direwrath commented in this thread:
My complaint is that this new female zombie looks all too similar to Lavinia.
I'm surprised more people haven't already expressed this. When I saw Lucille in the store, that was my first reaction. I actually brought up the two sets of promo shots that depict the blended characters to do a side by side comparison between Lavinia and Lucille. Was it supposed to be advantageous that the same mixes and poses were used in both product promos? To me, it just emphasized how little was different between the two. Finally, I looked more carefully at the product titles and noted that Lavinia is a vampire whereas Lucille is a zombie. Um, okay. Without that, I might have thought they were sisters. (eyes roll). If anything, Lucille seems like a new texture set for Lavinia...
The attached demonstrates how a few color tweak layers in PS can basically turn Livinia into Lucille (minus a few texture details and neglible morphs). Lucille is a bit more green. Don't get me wrong, I think her decaying flesh textures are pretty cool, but the promos sure don't make it seem like much was done beyond a few texture tweaks. If anyone has both and wants to post some comparision renders, I'd be happy to be proven wrong.
EDIT: for some reason, attaching the gif file kills the animation. For those interested, here's a dropbox link: https://www.dropbox.com/s/axkjseaed4masqo/lavinia-lucille-video-gif.gif?dl=0
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Well, there is some difference: The new figure is slightly more emaciated and the skin is clearly torn/ripped and made to look more rotten, rather than simply unliving. Eye sockets are darker, too.
But, yeah, Lavinia was a surprise, coming so soon after the official undead-themed Creature Creator set. Although, there, I could see the advantage of the skin. This one, too, though? They're both very well done, but considering how alike they are, it's very surprising they weren't spaced apart more! Also surprising that neither of them had any glowing ethereal eye options.
Where are all the non-zombie creature character sets? Insectoids/arachnoids? Molluscs? Reptilians? Sharks? We need some more diversity! :)
Either way, I won't be buying either one. I refuse to buy what should be creature creator morphs and maps piecemeal. It's bad enough that we have to get the body and character morphs that way. From now on the only creature/monster types I will buy will be the vendor types like Rawnrr makes.
Laurie
I'd have preferred to see how the skins look on the creature creator morphs rather than on v7. I bought the creature creator morphs and assumed there would be skins to follow. These characters make me question that. If they were add-ons to the HD morphs rather than individual characters I could understand. But coming so soon after, I feel like I'm being asked to buy the same thing over and over.
I got Lavinia and Lucille. Ill probably get the creature morph packs as well. I figured that I had made enough of an investment into G3 to warrant the seperate purchases. HOWEVER... (i say that alot:)) I wont be repeating this for G4. Since the daz marketing strategy seems to be to cut up complete packs and sell them in bites and pieces for G3, I can only assume that G4 will be the same if not worse. To be perfectly honest, G3 might be it for me. As ive indicated in other posts, its going to take a major advance in the technology to get me interested in another model. That goes for hair and clothing as well. If G4 is still using the same autofit, then forget it.
By the way, if anyone wants to see comparisons between the Lavinia and Lucille, just let me know.
While I like the look of both, I really can't see getting either as the use vs the cost is prohibited for me since I can only see a couple of uses in my workflow
Agreed. I get really put off by a released product with limited textures also selling additional textures for it as a seperate product when it could easily have been included. I rarely purchase any additional textures for any product, that is what photoshop is for, LOL.
Yep, G4 will have to be a HUGE step forward for me to invest what i am investing in G3 right now for me to jump on that bandwagon.
My decision not to dive into G3 is continually validated. ;)
I havent loaded up Lavinia yet but judging from the promos, she and Lucille are definetely from the same sculpt.
Lucille looks fantastic though. Heres a quick render. I know a certain Teen Josie that better run... RUN JOSIE, RU.... ooops, tee hee.... too late :))
You know, there is just something wrong about a sexy outfit on a zombie...
Am I alone in this opinion?
Yeah. Actually the getups for both Lavinia and Lucille are basically your normal sexy fantasy pinup gear. Putting those outfits on either of them to me just seems silly.
Gross, too.
Unfortunately, as amazing as Raw Art's creations often are, relying on them isn't really an option for me, as they don't allow for separate head and body morphs. I need the mix-and-match ability which things like the Creature Creator sets allow us.
Still assuming the G3M version will be on the way, but I'd love to see more obvious creature diversity for G3F's Hallowe'en season, beyond just an incredibly similar vampire/zombie set (which I feel should really have been packaged as one, given how alike they are).
Will you can only keep that going for so long. Support for G2 will cut out when G4 comes along and so on. I totally only do G3 stuff now, because 80-90% of buyers want that. You can't stop progress no matter how bad it seems, burying your head in the sand is not going to stop it, and why would you want to? You will always be a generation back in technology, you can't stop it so embrace it and get the latest and greatest. Sure it's not perfect nothing is, other wise we would still be stuck on V4. And no this is not for people to throw sticks at me, my point of view is as relevant as the next person.
I don't think timmins.william is burying his head in the sand. I think that this hobby in general (and its expenditures) is exhausting for some, too expensive for others and redundant for still others ;). Some ppl are totally okay with not having the "latest and greatest" LOL.
Laurie
Yeah, I thought that seemed kinda weird too :P
Laurie
Now is the time to change with all the G3 product at are coming out on special I don't think it's a pricing issue as many are cheaper than the G2 stuff. Just keep an eye on the specials. Mind you I hope DAZ isn't watching this thread "I prefer the G2 rigging and weight map system" I hate how the arms dig into the torso on G3. But still G4 is on the way I assume so G2 will be outdated soon.
Midnight: Given that some people still use V4, I'm not sure.
For me, there is a huge amount of synergy and ability to mix content between V/M4, Genesis, and Genesis2. There's a HUGE amount of material out there, and with dynamics I can even make use of G3 clothes if I really feel compelled.
But the inability to easily apply pre-G3 skins to G3 or vice versa, and limitations of transferring morphs (IE: 'no HD'), is a very large wall.
The G3 content that's coming out betrays a very inflexible design, in that it seems that people need to make much more limited figures for the same effort. I might be wrong, but that seems to be the trajectory of content release.
I DO feel sad that I'm missing out on a few things, like Rawart's stuff, and it's frustrating to see a number of PAs 'moving on.' But the cost of following is pretty darn high.
MS is right. As disappointing as it is, the moment the next generation of figure arrives, few content creators continue to make stuff like clothing for the previous figures. That means you're going to be stuck in a time warp of limited options and the base figures are at least free (even if the most essential morphing packs for them are, sadly, not).
However, I'd hope the next is at least a year or more off, because there's no reason to do that dance so soon after the last. It took a fair while for certain things to crop up in Genesis 3 which I viewed as critical to my artistic projects, before I held my nose and fully took that plunge.
If that's the case, I'll just stop buying clothes and figures, then. Plenty of other stuff to work with.
Of course, as I said, there's several thousand dollars of existing stuff on Daz Store, not to mention content elsewhere, plus all the stuff that isn't figure based. So, hey, plenty of stuff to spend money on.
I also think you are rather dramatically overstating 'limited options,' given there are thousands and thousands of Genesis and Genesis 2 stuff out there.
Yah. I feel like G3 is just starting to really build momentum. Some pretty interesting products are starting to crop up around the 7's. I agree that another year or more would be best before G4 arrives.
Yeah, but it's generally older, pre-existing stuff. It's like how V4 and M4 are still technically viable, but there's virtually nothing which comes out in the store for them. Environments and clothing might sometimes have 3Delight support, too, but by and large, if it only gets made for one rendering engine, it will be Iray.
Personally, I'm all for continuing support of older generations of figure, but I recognise market forces won't make that practical for those who make a living at this. They have to spend addiitonal time trying to make something compatible with older technology, with only a diminishing number of people purchasing it for that reason. Their time is better served being efficient and cranking out as many products as possible for what's in vogue.
Those creators for which product creation is just a hobby can afford to take their time. But many depend upon this to provide their household income.
I'd still be using Genesis for all kinds of stuff if I could! Some creators have shown it is possible to use HD morphs on it. I still love the fact that you can add details from both genders and create some seriously interesting characters. I know it's very unlikely to get new stuff made for it, though and I'm effectively restricted to what's already in my inventory for it.
Er... well, maybe here. But I still see a lot of gen4 stuff being released on Rendo. I doubt that Rendo is the only market, either. It's Genesis 1 that gets short shrift. Not that it particularly matters, since it can use most things for both earlier and later figures within limits.
I can use any V4, M4, generation 5, generation 6 skin with either Genesis or Genesis 2. I can migrate morphs between them and generation 4 with GenX2. The only thing that would make things perfect is being able to get HD morphs from G3 back to G2 or Genesis, but that's a horse shaped stain.
And as for the doom thing, again, there are _thousands_ of products out there for pre-Genesis 3. Unless I become a millionaire and buy everything, I'm not sure what the 'dry up' you claim amounts to. Again, I have 600 items in my wishlist. Even if I only buy half of them, that's probably a good 2-3 thousand dollars of material.
Then there's everything in the other stores, particularly older skins. Plus all the RDNA stuff coming over.
Plus, even if I don't buy any Genesis 3 stuff, there are still space ships and monsters and animals and fur and buildings and environments and and and...
Refusing to get Genesis 3 stuff means I cut out a very small portion of the future market in exchange for spending a bit more on EVERYTHING else, plus I then don't have to deal with the considerable problems of using Genesis 3 stuff (such as compatability and products that are narrower/more limited for the same price as older, more rigorous stuff)
Yeah, it just doesn't "fit" right. I wished there were more, ragged outfits out there that would work better.
Just today there was a male release, which is most certainly welcome, but here I was all excited for a new character and wouldn't you know. Looks like it's just a head morph. Nothing else, no textures, just a head morph? He looks great but back in the day a simple head morph was what you found on the freebie sites not something to purchase in the store. Seems like they are scattering morphs and character sets apart, selling a piece here, a piece there, forcing you to spend more just to get what you used to be able to purchase in one shot.
Like the G3f creature morphs, you only get 3-4 morphs for each body part, and some of those morphs are hd skin textures. Where did the alien morphs go, the fantasy creature morphs, the animal morphs?
Probably going to be in yet another character set huh?
I think the outfit is too clean looking. I do not mind zombies in that outfit but it needs to be messed up. Dirt and blood sharers will help it out a lot. Also morphs and or displacement maps to create dents and damage will bring it all together. I think a zombie would wear whatever it was wearing when turned depending on the mythology that art is based on. I can picture strippers turned zombies but their outfits have to be the same decay level as the zombie.
That is if the mythology does not explain why Miss Zombie changed her clothes into something new and clean but her body is in complete disarray.
I agree about the clothing and the similarities. I think for sure they should've been part of a bundle.
I have a small directory filled with ragged clothing items most of which came with figures. I could really use more since with monsters you don't want them fully clothed because it hides the monster qualities.
I found (and still do find) that it's easy to pass on G3 stuff at the introduction pricing. As the discounts occur (sometimes major, sometimes total) then it becomes easy to pick G3 stuff up. Overall I still prefer G2 to G3, but I'm not going to turn my nose up at the good aspects of G3 when they're available as a bargain. On a related note, I find all the individual generations a bit "samey" and restrictive (maybe G1 the least), so one way I look upon the generation churn is as an opportunity to have more varied characters within a scene. We can't all be pearbear (where he???) with an ability to make various real-looking "people" out of any of the generations.
I agree with the similarity between vampire and zombie. In this case, it works for me because I'm looking for zombie variations.
I actually really didn't like genesis 2 male, so for me, Genesis 3 is a vast improvement. Genesis 2 was stylisitically a bit more toony and those breasts and faces really didn't appeal to me.
the new ladies and heir outfits make me think of characters out of Warhammer and Warhammer 40,000 universes lot of undead and chaos characters have this look the daemonettes of slannish for example a creatures that are gross to look at but oooze sexual appeal at their victims as do dark elves and dark elder. Few other games and anima use this concept too. Then there's Medusa and the other Gorgons as well as other human creature hybrids that were gross to look at but to their victims sexually appealing in a sick twisted way