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  • argel1200 said:

    I do work for printing, and I find Photoshop to be much better with color profiles than GIMP, though I haven't touched GIMP in a few years. I tried PaintShop Pro x6 and x7 for a year or two, but it could not scale when using large images (e.g. from a scanner or for print) with lots of layers, so I enventually gave up on it and went back to the PhotoShop subscription. Krita competes more with Painter more than Photoshop. Of course, use what you works best for you -- if yopu are doing just digital display type stuff then you have more options -- throw in professional level printing and scalability and PhotoShop becomes much harder to beat. I do wish Adobe would merge in the Elements stuff into PhotoShop (or add it to the photagraper subscription).

    Or give me a discount for upgrading lol....The printing aspect is good to know as I would like to someday print some of my stuff for gifts.

  • I would like to recommend affinity photo. It is a strong, strong beast.

    Thanks for the recommendation I will take a look!

  • Depends on what you want to do. 

    If you are an artist and want to use it more for art (painting) than to make textures, normal maps, etc., then there are other programs out there that I consider to be as good or better without the stupid monthly fee.

    If you want it for the Photoshop specifc features, then I guess Photoshop would be your ticket.

    I own Photoshop CS6 (the last version without subscription).  That will be the last version I will ever use.  I'm not going to get into my utter hatred for the moronic subscription software trend that Adobe started.  I'll stick to software I can purchase once and use as long as I want.

     

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 42,019
    Fragg1960 said:

    Depends on what you want to do. 

    If you are an artist and want to use it more for art (painting) than to make textures, normal maps, etc., then there are other programs out there that I consider to be as good or better without the stupid monthly fee.

    If you want it for the Photoshop specifc features, then I guess Photoshop would be your ticket.

    I own Photoshop CS6 (the last version without subscription).  That will be the last version I will ever use.  I'm not going to get into my utter hatred for the moronic subscription software trend that Adobe started.  I'll stick to software I can purchase once and use as long as I want.

     

    ...yes

  • Peter WadePeter Wade Posts: 1,675

    What you use first and what you use most does have a big influence on most people. I was in a team doing technical support for a website many years ago. We had to have Photoshop because design agencies always send their stuff in that format but the company wasn't going to buy a copy of Photoshop for everyone on the team so we each had Paintshop Pro on our laptops and one copy of Photoshop on a desktop PC. The result was we all used Paintshop Pro unless we absolutely had to use Photoshop, and when we did we usually spent an afternoon scratching our heads and asking "does anyone know how to do this in Photoshop?". I got the impression that Photoshop is a very powerful application but I never learnt to use it properly.

    These days I've got Paintshop Pro and the Gimp on my PC. I bought Project Dogwaffle on an impulse, it looks interesting but I don't think I'm enough of an artist to use it effectively.

    I started in 3D using Poser before Daz Studio was invented. I probably use Studio more than Poser now but there are some Poser features that I really wish were in Studio.

  • Oso3DOso3D Posts: 15,091
    edited September 2016

    Heh, I actually really like the subscription model for some things, Photoshop being one of them.

    It's a lot easier for me to toss in $10 a month than come up with several hundred dollars every 2-3 years.

     

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  • One of my biggest issues is that it is subscription bases.  I am not a fan of that model either.  And what happens if  I don't have access to the internet and I want to work on something?  We go camping a lot and I don't always have internet access.  If it rains all day I work on art. Will I still be able to access photo shop without a connection?

     

  • Oso3DOso3D Posts: 15,091

    http://blogs.adobe.com/photoshop/2013/05/answering-your-questions-about-photoshop-cc.html

    You only have to be online to download and activate your software. Customers with an annual membership, who have provided a credit card to be used to renew their 12-month prepaid membership, will be able to use products for 3 months (99 days) when offline. Month-to-month customers will still need to validate every 30 days. The validation process is very lightweight and can be done over dial-up, tethered/connected to a mobile device, or at a wireless access point (public library, coffee shop, etc).

     

    Amazing what 60 seconds of Google can do.

     

  • argel1200argel1200 Posts: 760
    edited September 2016

    I'm not a huge fan of the subscription model either but as I menioned earlier, scalability became an insurmountable problem with Paintshop Pro x7 Ultimate  -- I had huge images for print with many layers and it just slowed down worse and worse. I also find Photoshop better for professional level printing. I have not touched GIMP in a long time, but I hate the UI and I do not recall it working very well for professional level printing. I ended up going bacvk to the Photoshop Subscription and it was a relief to be using it again. Also not sure if PSP or GIMP have anything like Layer Comps (loosely, a way to turn on and off a bunch of layers at once). There's a lot of power in PS. I also used to despide the Adobe Bridge, but these days I find it handy to quickly find the artwork I am looking for and loading it up in PS. I do not use Lightroom that much, but I probably should give it a try one of these days. Anyway, bottom like for me was Phtoshop can handle e.g. 6000x6000 images with 50+ layers without choking on them.

    Also, as Will implies, Adobe does a pretty good job with making the CC subscription easy to use. Problems have been few and far between and some of the new features they are adding are nice to have right away instead of considering if it's time to upgrade. That's definitly a plus.

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  • ToborTobor Posts: 2,300

    Yep, Adobe is pretty clear in that you don't need 24/7 connection. On the other hand, calling it "cloud" anything is bound to cause confusion. In my other line of work, I constantly run into clients who think that having the subscription (cloud) based version of Microsoft Office means that not only do they need to be constantly connected, they can only save files online.

    On the cost of things: My time is my most valuable resource. Years ago I used a mix of lower-cost programs, like Paintshop Pro and others, but I found I wasn't becoming proficient with any of them. I felt I wasn't as fast or skilled as I should be. Based on the available resources for it, I decided to concentrate on Photoshop. I did buy CS5, but got the CC subscription for my wife's machine. Eventually, CS5 will be too behind the times, and I'll need to upgrade, but that'll probably be in a year or two.

     

  • Peter WadePeter Wade Posts: 1,675
    argel1200 said:

    ...  Also not sure if PSP or GIMP have anything like Layer Comps (loosely, a way to turn on and off a bunch of layers at once). ...

    GIMP has what it calls Layer Groups. You can add layers into a group and turn them all on or off together. You can also resize and apply deformations to a layer group and it will affect all the layers in the group.

  • http://blogs.adobe.com/photoshop/2013/05/answering-your-questions-about-photoshop-cc.html

    You only have to be online to download and activate your software. Customers with an annual membership, who have provided a credit card to be used to renew their 12-month prepaid membership, will be able to use products for 3 months (99 days) when offline. Month-to-month customers will still need to validate every 30 days. The validation process is very lightweight and can be done over dial-up, tethered/connected to a mobile device, or at a wireless access point (public library, coffee shop, etc).

     

    Amazing what 60 seconds of Google can do.

     

    I looked all over their site for that information....I should have just googled lol!

  • chickenmanchickenman Posts: 1,202

    Dont forget about Project Dogwaffle Howler with version 10 released it does a lot. Including you can make animated brushes.

    http://www.thebest3d.com/howler/10/index.html

     

    Here is a link to a thread in the Carrara section where Tiffanie Grey is giving Tutorials on line 1 a week on wednesday going from knowing nothing about howler to eventually more complicated things.

    http://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/16925/project-dogwaffle-howler/p12

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 42,019

    What you use first and what you use most does have a big influence on most people. I was in a team doing technical support for a website many years ago. We had to have Photoshop because design agencies always send their stuff in that format but the company wasn't going to buy a copy of Photoshop for everyone on the team so we each had Paintshop Pro on our laptops and one copy of Photoshop on a desktop PC. The result was we all used Paintshop Pro unless we absolutely had to use Photoshop, and when we did we usually spent an afternoon scratching our heads and asking "does anyone know how to do this in Photoshop?". I got the impression that Photoshop is a very powerful application but I never learnt to use it properly.

    These days I've got Paintshop Pro and the Gimp on my PC. I bought Project Dogwaffle on an impulse, it looks interesting but I don't think I'm enough of an artist to use it effectively.

    I started in 3D using Poser before Daz Studio was invented. I probably use Studio more than Poser now but there are some Poser features that I really wish were in Studio.

    ...I have Dogwaffle as well and like it.

  • I always used photoshop elements,but decided to go for the subscription this year on offer at $8 ,I love it I have learned so much and wish I could have afforded Full Photoshop sooner,some of the new tools like content aware crop are so time saving.I have found it to be really worth the subscription.

  • I always used photoshop elements,but decided to go for the subscription this year on offer at $8 ,I love it I have learned so much and wish I could have afforded Full Photoshop sooner,some of the new tools like content aware crop are so time saving.I have found it to be really worth the subscription.

    Thank you!  That is good to know.

  • TabascoJackTabascoJack Posts: 865
    edited September 2016

    I bought elements on sale, and then got the CC subscription as well.  I never looked back.

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  • nelsonsmithnelsonsmith Posts: 1,337
    edited September 2016

    I love PS, but decided to simply find a CS 5 version. One never knows how ones finances might look at some future date, and for less than $100 (deals on ebay are pretty frequent),  you can own a copy that will be yours whether you're broke one month or not.

    The other trick, that a lot of people don't consider is to buy a real early version of PS  like 7 or something, and then buy an upgrade, to CS 5 or 6.  For those that don't want to have to worry about a monthly bill.

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  • I love PS, but decided to simply find a CS 5 version. One never knows how ones finances might look at some future date, and for less than $100 (deals on ebay are pretty frequent),  you can own a copy that will be yours whether you're broke one month or not.

    I've always been a bit hesitant about buying photoshop on Ebay for some reason. I have heard horror stories about purchasing it and the key not working etc.  (doesn't mean those stories are true but it does make me hesitate just a bit.

  • argel1200argel1200 Posts: 760
    edited September 2016
    argel1200 said:

    ...  Also not sure if PSP or GIMP have anything like Layer Comps (loosely, a way to turn on and off a bunch of layers at once). ...

    GIMP has what it calls Layer Groups. You can add layers into a group and turn them all on or off together. You can also resize and apply deformations to a layer group and it will affect all the layers in the group.

    PS has groups like that. Layer Comps make it possible to control styles as well and  are in a separate panel. It's sort of like saving the current layer state.  They make it easy to keep several variations of an image in the same file -- e.g. if experimenting with different logo designs. Especially useful if you cannot group the indvidual items (because some need to be below a layer and others above it).

    I love PS, but decided to simply find a CS 5 version. One never knows how ones finances might look at some future date, and for less than $100 (deals on ebay are pretty frequent),  you can own a copy that will be yours whether you're broke one month or not.

    I've always been a bit hesitant about buying photoshop on Ebay for some reason. I have heard horror stories about purchasing it and the key not working etc.  (doesn't mean those stories are true but it does make me hesitate just a bit.

    FWIW, the last full version of Photoshop I purchased was off of E-Bay. Of course, that was probably over 5 years ago. Just be wary of student editions.

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