Thinking about doing a graphic novel - need a partner

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  • IkyotoIkyoto Posts: 1,159
    Greycat said:

    Ikyoto,

     

    Nicely done. If you wouldn’t mind a suggestion, brighten up your characters. In several panels they’re almost lost in the background.

    Good catch. I even know which ones.

  • Will Eisner is one of the master storytellers.  To this day, his The Spirit series remains one of the most wonderful comics and is studied by many contemplating a career in graphically told stories.  I can't recommend his books enough.  There's a reason there are the Will Eisner Awards in the industry and are so coveted.

    https://www.amazon.com/Comics-Sequential-Art-Principles-Instructional/dp/0393331261

  • RawArtRawArt Posts: 6,132

    You might want to look for artists in places like Talenthouse as well  https://www.talenthouse.com/

    Rawn

  • RalfZRalfZ Posts: 31

    This is more or less what I've been doing over the past year – adapting a SciFi novel by a german author as a graphic novel. However, I didn't get paid by page (although that would have been an option), but I'm getting a good slice of the sales – it remains to be seen how this turns out in the end, but since it's published in French, German and English, with Portuguese to follow, it should be alright. Anyway, I''ve already started with Vol.2, at least it's fun and there's no pressure behind it.

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  • jestmartjestmart Posts: 4,449

    A legal snafu to consider.  The End User License Agreement here and most other stores would prevent you from buying the content yourself then sharing with your artist.  The artist would need to purchase the products so they have the right to use them.  If you changed artists at some point the new artist would have to buy (or already own) all the same content.

  • WonderlandWonderland Posts: 7,137

    If you haven't read this book "Understanding Comics" by Scott McCloud,  it definitely provides information value for anyone considering telling a story through sequential art.  As a medium it differs from novels,  and the customers would have different expectations. 

    https://www.amazon.ca/Understanding-Comics-Scott-McCloud/dp/006097625X/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1473101070&sr=1-1&keywords=Understanding+comics

    Yes! That's the book I was talking about! Great book! There's a sequel too!

  • nonesuch00nonesuch00 Posts: 18,820
    argel1200 said:

    Well it sounds like to me you can hire a full fledged penciler, inker, and all that bit but maybe DAZ 3D models aren't the style you are really after. Maybe you should try a Wacom tablet and Moho 12. You can get reasonably competant at that in 3 days doing their tutorials. They also have a product meant for comic book style layouts but I forget the name - you export from Moho to that comic layout product.

    Are you thinking of Clip Studio Paint (aka Manga Studio)?

     

    Regarding tablets, I picked up a Wacom PTH451 Intuos Pro Pen and Touch Small Tablet - (Certified Refurbished) in 2015. So far it has worked well.

    https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B00MJSO5TS/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o08_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

    No, although those might work too, I was referring to MotionArtist.

    My Bamboo is medium size. Bigger gets to be too heavy and smaller difficult to draw on before you are out of bounds. Really, you can buy more expensive and bigger but you aren't practically going to be able to take advantage of the extra tech in those and the weight gets a bit much. You can't sit & doodle comfortable on the couch for hours like with a medium sized Bamboo.

  • RawArtRawArt Posts: 6,132

    Congrats on the good sales. I wish I could sell 25,000 copies of something, LOL. I have some small skill with coloring line art and vector flats, but I'm not in Divamakeup's category yet, plus I have zero time. I just wanted to wish you well on the project. I have great skill at reading graphic novels and comic books, so I'll look forward to the finished outcome.

    cheers!

    Edit because I thought of something useful to say. My tablet is a Wacom Cintiq and if you don't need it it be a Windows 10 tablet too, you can get a 13" one for around $800.00

    If you decide to go with 3D figures, you can tone down the 3D look by any number of postwork filters. Here is a super quick sample I did using a filter called Topaz Clean. https://www.topazlabs.com/clean

    To keep it from looking like "Oh hey, you used a filter!" I'd want to get some hand inking on the thing too. Just a thought.

    Hey DG

    I never knew about this filter, but looked it up after you posted it. I gotta say...it is very cool!

    I bought it and really enjoy the look it gives.

    Rawn

     

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  • Hi cwl. I've sent you a PM.

  • wsterdan said:
    cwl said:

    Maybe now is a good time to reitterate, this is a spec book. I dont know if Graphic Novels sell as well as straight eBooks. I would need to sell about 1,500 just to recoup my investment. As its the Kindle market is techie, I am guessing the DAZ 3D format would be more appealing, but if anyone has experience in this area I am very open to suggestions! :)

    Also I am being overly open about the finances because I dont want to miselad. as some have already stated this is not enough money for them to mess with.

    Just a quick note regarding Amazon, they also own Comixology, so you should be planning on being on both Kindle and there, which helps focus the graphic novel sales with comic book people as well.

    -- Walt Sterdan

    Quick note about Comixology...the submit process takes about three months, and they don't accept everything. While you'd want your project on both marketplaces, Comixology can reject submissions,unlike Kindle. My first project with them was somehow up for sale in two weeks, but my last took as long as they indicate on their "Submit" information page. Three months to hear that it was accepted, and still waiting for it to be "processed," i.e. formatting my work to their Guided View format. Just good to know that going in.

  • wolf359wolf359 Posts: 3,943

    Hi,
     I used comiclife for my layout and rendered this comic book in C4D toon module 7 years ago all poser /Daz assets
    https://issuu.com/anabran/docs/rdl7

  • cwlcwl Posts: 21

    Just wanted to thank everyone again for all the advice. for those that PM'd me, if I havent replied please try again. my account isnt showing my messages, but I get the email and reply from them. I sent in a ticket to tech support on the issue.

    Charlie

  • jestmart said:

    A legal snafu to consider.  The End User License Agreement here and most other stores would prevent you from buying the content yourself then sharing with your artist.  The artist would need to purchase the products so they have the right to use them.  If you changed artists at some point the new artist would have to buy (or already own) all the same content.

    Yep, but easily circumvented by purchasing gift cards instead.

  • firewardenfirewarden Posts: 1,488

    I've been using various Topaz filters for a video game I'm working on with my daughter for her senior project. I've used Simplify and Clean the most. Clean is definitely the easiest way to get a NPR look, imo. A friend turned me on to Topaz filters a while back, and I find them very useful. I'm waiting for Black Friday to pick up the rest of the filters (I own Clean, Impression, and Simplify. Supposedly, you can buy all of Topaz filters for around $200 on Black Friday usually.) I had tried FilterForge and besides crashing on a regular basis, I just couldn't quite get the look I wanted. Topaz has been much easier and you can really tweak it.  I'm just about to take the leap courage-wise and post some pix to the NPR thread.

  • RawArt said:

    Congrats on the good sales. I wish I could sell 25,000 copies of something, LOL. I have some small skill with coloring line art and vector flats, but I'm not in Divamakeup's category yet, plus I have zero time. I just wanted to wish you well on the project. I have great skill at reading graphic novels and comic books, so I'll look forward to the finished outcome.

    cheers!

    Edit because I thought of something useful to say. My tablet is a Wacom Cintiq and if you don't need it it be a Windows 10 tablet too, you can get a 13" one for around $800.00

    If you decide to go with 3D figures, you can tone down the 3D look by any number of postwork filters. Here is a super quick sample I did using a filter called Topaz Clean. https://www.topazlabs.com/clean

    To keep it from looking like "Oh hey, you used a filter!" I'd want to get some hand inking on the thing too. Just a thought.

    Hey DG

    I never knew about this filter, but looked it up after you posted it. I gotta say...it is very cool!

    I bought it and really enjoy the look it gives.

    Rawn

     

    Heh, happy to help.  I like how your pic came out. It was IgnisSerpentus that told me about it in the first place. I've got Clean, Simplfy, and Remask, and I want to get Adjust next.

  • ArtiniArtini Posts: 10,551

    I've been using various Topaz filters for a video game I'm working on with my daughter for her senior project. I've used Simplify and Clean the most. Clean is definitely the easiest way to get a NPR look, imo. A friend turned me on to Topaz filters a while back, and I find them very useful. I'm waiting for Black Friday to pick up the rest of the filters (I own Clean, Impression, and Simplify. Supposedly, you can buy all of Topaz filters for around $200 on Black Friday usually.) I had tried FilterForge and besides crashing on a regular basis, I just couldn't quite get the look I wanted. Topaz has been much easier and you can really tweak it.  I'm just about to take the leap courage-wise and post some pix to the NPR thread.

    Please post these images. I am always interested in NPR look.

    On the side note: FilterForge has never crashed on me. Guess, different computer configurations plays the role there.

     

  • Hi CWL,

     

    I sent you a PM. :-)

     

    ~David

  • ArtiniArtini Posts: 10,551
    edited September 2016

    Also do not forget about Nik collection of filters to Photosop (free, thanks to Google)

    https://www.google.com/nikcollection/

    Below is an example, of using it on Daz Studio iray render.

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  • firewardenfirewarden Posts: 1,488

    Artini, thanks for the link. I've never seen those. The more, the merrier. :)  And I posted some pix and will post more in the Non-photorealistic Renders (NPR) thread. I don't know if you're following that one. I've learned a lot reading through what others are doing. I need to go back and review the thread. Still learning here! :)

    http://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/54697/non-photorealistic-renders-npr/p1

     

     

     

  • nelsonsmithnelsonsmith Posts: 1,337
    edited September 2016

    Considering how much of the simple stuff I'd like to do, but that Daz doesn't have (like a futuristic wheelchair) doing a graphic novel where I'd expect you wouldn't want people being able to readily identify where the stuff you're using is coming from (consider the flak Greg Land has gotten), you're really talking about a helluva' lot of work.   I'm pretty sure that finding stuff that sorta' looks like you imagine isn't going to cut it.   That means somebody not only needs to be a good CG/digital artist, but they might need to be a good modeler as well.   That's a completely different skill, or another person.   Then there's clothing.  I can almost guarantee if your book has a lot of male characters,  the Daz library of male clothing is not going to cut it.  You will need to design some clothes for your figures.  

    If you've got the cash that's great, but now you'd be cutting into considerable profits.  At this point drawing would probably be faster, or around the same cost as hiring a cg artist, because a project like this could become somebody's full time job.   But that's just my opinion from giving it just a bit of thought.

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  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 42,104

    ..hand drawing would also help get you around most Intellectual Property issues as well.

  • nonesuch00nonesuch00 Posts: 18,820
    edited September 2016

    Well when I think of how many different types of clothing outfits Fred, Wilma, Barney, and Betty wear during the entire run of the Flintstones and I think not so many.

    If you become successful people will criticize that success as a means of getting attention for themselves. It's like someone is criticizing 'that success', well let's hear the citicism of it and we might learn something that will make us better successes. Well, maybe, but probably not. Critics make money criticizing.

     

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