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  • IceDragonArtIceDragonArt Posts: 12,822

    I think that render pushed me over the edge.  George has been on my list as the world I am making needs a diversity of characters and I think she will be a good addition as well.

  • BeeMKayBeeMKay Posts: 7,019

    Thank you, Knittingmommy and Ice Dragon Art. blush

  • de3ande3an Posts: 915
    edited August 2016

    Out of curiosity I did a quick Google search for "Bessie".
    I did not see "Bessie the Cow" in my search results. What I did find were many talented and accomplished women named Bessie.

    Looks like "VYK Bessie" is in good company.

     

    Bessie LoveBessie Love
    Slient Screen Actress.

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

    Bessie Smith

    Bessie Smith
    American blues singer.
    Nicknamed the Empress of the Blues.

     

     

     

     

     

     

    Bessie Coleman

    Bessie Coleman
    American civil aviator. First female pilot of African American descent and the first woman of Native American descent to hold a pilot license.

     

     

     

     

     

    Bessie Carter

    Bessie Carter
    UK actress, known for Les Misérables (2012) and Cranford (2007).

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

    Bessie Stringfield

     

    Bessie Stringfield
    Nicknamed "The Motorcycle Queen of Miami”. Was the first African-American woman to ride across the United States solo.

     

     

     

     

    Bessie Cursons

    Bessie Cursons
    English actress

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

    Bessie Rischbieth

     

     

    Bessie Rischbieth, OBE
    Was an influential and early Australian feminist and social activist.

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

    Bessie Tsionis

     

    Bessie Tsionis
    Television personality and journalist.

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  • 3Diva3Diva Posts: 11,981

    It's good to know that Bessie is in good company, however Bessie the cow is quite common and known as is Bessie Bunter and other negative references to fat Bessie. 

      

     

     

     

    It is nice to know that there are some historical Bessies that are pretty cool. I do think it would have been nice to have given her a name that doesn't have the negative fat associations. Of course that is not to say that was the intention of the person who named her. I'm sure that naming her Bessie might have just been an unfortunately coincidence - it's always prudent to give the benefit of a doubt. :) 

    In the end, I don't care so much what her name is as long as we get more diverse characters in the future. :)

  • pdspds Posts: 593
    nicstt said:

    TY, appreciate it; that's a nice looking texture.

    I agree...to the point that I'm seriously considering buying the character. As others have said, morphs can take you pretty far in terms of reshaping characters, and I have a good number of morph sets from Daz as well as other stores to create just about any body type imaginable; so for me, it's now at the point where I'm looking to add great looking skins and truly diverse characters (anime-style, cyborg, various ethnicities).

  • wolf359wolf359 Posts: 3,936
    edited August 2016

    "Many heavy morphs do not take the human figure into consideration and just make the character look like they are really bloated, "

    That depends greatly on who made the  "Heavy"morphs
    and the end users understanding of proportional/vertical symmetry when applying them.
    Personally I dont understand why people need a vendor to provide them with a premade "non idealized" character with the multitude of morph options available for users to make their own ...... but thats just me.

    Here is "Contessa"( if you like) for the G2 female
    Made just by moving sliders  in Daz studio.

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  • DirewrathDirewrath Posts: 225
    wolf359 said:

    "Many heavy morphs do not take the human figure into consideration and just make the character look like they are really bloated, "

    That depends greatly on who made the  "Heavy"morphs
    and the end users understanding of proportional/vertical symmetry when applying them.
    Personally I dont understand why people need a vendor to provide them with a premade "non idealized" character with the multitude of morph options available for users to make their own ...... but thats just me.

    Here is "Contessa"( if you like) for the G2 female
    Made just by moving sliders  in Daz studio.

    She needs a little work if you want a natural "heavy" look, gravity is not that kind.  And fyi I was stating that many characters created for the store that are heavy are simply given morphs to expand parts of the figure's geometry, not really to give a believable comparison of what a person with that actual figure would look like.  Just bloating a belly out, pumping air into the buttocks, and bulking up the arms and legs does not always convey weight based on real life.  Gravity pulls on weight, so a heavy person does not always have a smooth stomach, nor are they always lacking their hips or waistline. It takes much more to convey a realistic heavy look we all know that.  Sure Bessie could use a little more to make her "real" but that does not mean she isn't starting off on the right foot.

    Nobody in this thread was saying that they only specifically used characters as packaged, and could not figure out how to use the other dozens of morphs available to them to make the perfect character to please their taste.  They were just happy to see a well made girl in the shop who doesn't fit the status quo on what is deemed beautiful and perfect in this world.

  • 3Diva3Diva Posts: 11,981
    Dire's Work said:
    wolf359 said:

    "Many heavy morphs do not take the human figure into consideration and just make the character look like they are really bloated, "

    That depends greatly on who made the  "Heavy"morphs
    and the end users understanding of proportional/vertical symmetry when applying them.
    Personally I dont understand why people need a vendor to provide them with a premade "non idealized" character with the multitude of morph options available for users to make their own ...... but thats just me.

    Here is "Contessa"( if you like) for the G2 female
    Made just by moving sliders  in Daz studio.

    She needs a little work if you want a natural "heavy" look, gravity is not that kind.  And fyi I was stating that many characters created for the store that are heavy are simply given morphs to expand parts of the figure's geometry, not really to give a believable comparison of what a person with that actual figure would look like.  Just bloating a belly out, pumping air into the buttocks, and bulking up the arms and legs does not always convey weight based on real life.  Gravity pulls on weight, so a heavy person does not always have a smooth stomach, nor are they always lacking their hips or waistline. It takes much more to convey a realistic heavy look we all know that.  Sure Bessie could use a little more to make her "real" but that does not mean she isn't starting off on the right foot.

    Nobody in this thread was saying that they only specifically used characters as packaged, and could not figure out how to use the other dozens of morphs available to them to make the perfect character to please their taste.  They were just happy to see a well made girl in the shop who doesn't fit the status quo on what is deemed beautiful and perfect in this world.

    +1

  • 3Diva3Diva Posts: 11,981
    edited August 2016
    wolf359 said:

    "Many heavy morphs do not take the human figure into consideration and just make the character look like they are really bloated, "

    That depends greatly on who made the  "Heavy"morphs
    and the end users understanding of proportional/vertical symmetry when applying them.
    Personally I dont understand why people need a vendor to provide them with a premade "non idealized" character with the multitude of morph options available for users to make their own ...... but thats just me.

    Here is "Contessa"( if you like) for the G2 female
    Made just by moving sliders  in Daz studio.

    Well, personally I don't understand why people need a vendor to provide them with a premade "idealized" character with the multitude of morph options available and the 100's upon 100's of already created idealized characters.

    See how that works?

    People who only use idealized shapes (or close to idealized with slight mods) who say "well anyone who wants anything different can just make it themselves" is just being silly and frankly a bit selfish - "I have MY wants met, I don't get what the big deal is". That's like a vegetarian saying "Well I don't mind that there aren't more meat options. Look at all these vegetables! And anyone who wants meat, look, you can make perfectly good tofu-burgers that look like meat and if you spice it right it tastes a bit like meat too." 

    That's like saying "well I have the ideal figures I want, everyone else can just spend their own time creating the types of characters they want". It shouldn't be an either or. There is room for diversity in the characters that are created. The people who only like the idealized shapes and sizes, do they buy all of them that come out? Absolutely not. A lot of them are being passed over simply because the market is flooded with them. If more diverse characters where created, that doesn't take away from people who like idealized shapes and sizes, since NO ONE buys all of the idealized shapes that get released. There is room for more diversity in the characters that get released and trying to tell people who want that diversity to "just make your own" isn't helpful. 

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  • wolf359wolf359 Posts: 3,936
    edited August 2016

    "Just bloating a belly out, pumping air into the buttocks, and bulking up the arms and legs does not always convey weight based on real life.  Gravity pulls on weight, so a heavy person does not always have a smooth stomach, nor are they always lacking their hips or waistline. It takes much more to convey a realistic heavy look we all know that."

    Certainly I have ALL the HD cellulite morphs
    and belly sag morphs and "muffin top" Morphs For G2
    and could have easily dialed them in.
    .
    But as a man ,who has Dated fuller bodied Women nearly excusively including My short 7 year time being married to one,
    I can attest that not all fuller bodied ladies are coverd in lumpy cellulite and have bellies that hang like plastic bags half filled with water. that too is a Stereotype

    The level of "Fat smoothness" varies with age, number of child births ,underlying musculature and YES even ethnicity in my personal experience.

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  • DkgooseDkgoose Posts: 1,451

    Here are some renders, sorry for lack of backgrounds just was doing quick things to try out recent purchases, first I have Bessie normal, next is Elderly Bessie, then Bessie thin and the elderly version, then supergirl Bessie mixed with little one morp, them Bessie with little one morph, again nothing fancy sorry

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  • 3Diva3Diva Posts: 11,981
    dkgoose said:

    Here are some renders, sorry for lack of backgrounds just was doing quick things to try out recent purchases, first I have Bessie normal, next is Elderly Bessie, then Bessie thin and the elderly version, then supergirl Bessie mixed with little one morp, them Bessie with little one morph, again nothing fancy sorry

    haha These are great! Thanks for taking the time to create these and post them, dkgoose! :) I love the idea of dialing Bessie into other characters. I think her skin texture looks great too. :)

  • FSMCDesignsFSMCDesigns Posts: 12,845
    divamakeup said:

    It's good to know that Bessie is in good company, however Bessie the cow is quite common and known as is Bessie Bunter and other negative references to fat Bessie. 

     

     

    "Who's a good Bessie?" LOL Couldn't resist since you guys brought it up.

    I had an uncle who was a dairy farmer and had cows named Bessie, Bertha and Gilda, LOL

     

     

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  • 3Diva3Diva Posts: 11,981
    FSMCDesigns said:
    divamakeup said:

    It's good to know that Bessie is in good company, however Bessie the cow is quite common and known as is Bessie Bunter and other negative references to fat Bessie. 

     

     

    "Who's a good Bessie?" LOL Couldn't resist since you guys brought it up.

    I had an uncle who was a dairy farmer and had cows named Bessie, Bertha and Gilda, LOL

     

     

    lol Is that, indeed, Bessie in your render or a different character? :)

  • DirewrathDirewrath Posts: 225
    edited August 2016
    wolf359 said:

    "Just bloating a belly out, pumping air into the buttocks, and bulking up the arms and legs does not always convey weight based on real life.  Gravity pulls on weight, so a heavy person does not always have a smooth stomach, nor are they always lacking their hips or waistline. It takes much more to convey a realistic heavy look we all know that."

    Certainly I have ALL the HD cellulite morphs
    and belly sag morphs and "muffin top" Morphs For G2
    and could have easily dialed them in.
    .
    But as a man ,who has Dated fuller bodied Women nearly excusively including My short 7 year time being married to one,
    I can attest that not all fuller bodied ladies are coverd in lumpy cellulite and have bellies that hang like plastic bags half filled with water. that too is a Stereotype

    The level of "Fat smoothness" varies with age, number of child births ,underlying musculature and YES even ethnicity in my personal experience.

    Not all, but when you begin adding more amounts of bulk to areas of the body they tend to sag.  Nobody's body is the same, it stores fat differently, but when you get heavier and heavier your body does not stay tight. I'm a woman, I've had children, went from being muscular and "skinny" to being on the lighter side of heavy then back down again.  Added weight changes your body, it's just what happens.

    Also a full bodied woman is not heavy in my mind.  At 110 pounds, I was considered full bodied just because of my body type, full hips and a large chest tend to give you that look.  Those are not the details I was talking about, as many character sets are already fitting that definition.  I'm talking about different body types when larger amounts of weight are put on them, not just simply full figured ones.

     To see a character who is not only attractive but who is created with a look that is not the ideal is refreshing, she stands out on her own and that's a good thing.  That is what this thread is about, not whether or not people should or shouldn't buy or use added morphs to get the look that fits their means.  Some people want a character made for them, so what, that is their choice.  

     

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  • 3Diva3Diva Posts: 11,981
    Dire's Work said:
    wolf359 said:

    "Just bloating a belly out, pumping air into the buttocks, and bulking up the arms and legs does not always convey weight based on real life.  Gravity pulls on weight, so a heavy person does not always have a smooth stomach, nor are they always lacking their hips or waistline. It takes much more to convey a realistic heavy look we all know that."

    Certainly I have ALL the HD cellulite morphs
    and belly sag morphs and "muffin top" Morphs For G2
    and could have easily dialed them in.
    .
    But as a man ,who has Dated fuller bodied Women nearly excusively including My short 7 year time being married to one,
    I can attest that not all fuller bodied ladies are coverd in lumpy cellulite and have bellies that hang like plastic bags half filled with water. that too is a Stereotype

    The level of "Fat smoothness" varies with age, number of child births ,underlying musculature and YES even ethnicity in my personal experience.

    Not all, but when you begin adding more amounts of bulk to areas of the body they tend to sag.  Nobody's body is the same, it stores fat differently, but when you get heavier and heavier your body does not stay tight. I'm a woman, I've had children, went from being muscular and "skinny" to being on the lighter side of heavy then back down again.  Added weight changes your body, it's just what happens.

    Also a full bodied woman is not heavy in my mind.  At 110 pounds, I was considered full bodied just because of my body type, full hips and a large chest tend to give you that look.  Those are not the details I was talking about, as many character sets are already fitting that definition.  I'm talking about different body types when larger amounts of weight are put on them, not just simply full figured ones.

     To see a character who is not only attractive but who is created with a look that is not the ideal is refreshing, she stands out on her own and that's a good thing.  That is what this thread is about, not whether or not people should or shouldn't buy or use added morphs to get the look that fits their means.  Some people want a character made for them, so what, that is their choice.  

     

    I agree.There are a TON of breast morphs available to make fuller looking breasts, that doesn't mean that the PAs should only put out characters with flat chests and expect people who want breasts to make them themselves with their morphs. It boggles my mind how some want to argue the "morphs exists so why should it be created by PAs" thing. If that's the case then why do PAs make new characters at all? Just make new textures if all the morphs to created different characters already exist. We want a variety of characters because we do. There's nothing wrong with wanting characters with different breast sizes and shapes, just like there is nothing wrong with wanting characters with different body sizes and shapes. And again, boxed morphs only go so far. Most of the morphs to make larger characters only act like balloon inflations - not changing the shape - which is something that can usually only be achieved with custom shapes and sculpts like many PAs do for their characters faces and bodies.

     

  • wolf359wolf359 Posts: 3,936

    " Nobody's body is the same, it stores fat differently"

     

    Exactly on this we agree

     

     

    "Some people want a character made for them, so what, that is their choice.  "

    Agreed and some people perfer to mix in dial settings and aging morphs to get particular look or persona that the PA failed to acheive with their prefabbed set of characteristics.
    That is what make DAZ ,and even poser, such a great option for visual story telling!!.yes 

  • RAMWolffRAMWolff Posts: 10,352

    I love your POSITIVE post about Bessie de3an heart

  • FSMCDesignsFSMCDesigns Posts: 12,845
    divamakeup said:
    FSMCDesigns said:
    divamakeup said:

    It's good to know that Bessie is in good company, however Bessie the cow is quite common and known as is Bessie Bunter and other negative references to fat Bessie. 

     

     

    "Who's a good Bessie?" LOL Couldn't resist since you guys brought it up.

    I had an uncle who was a dairy farmer and had cows named Bessie, Bertha and Gilda, LOL

     

     

    lol Is that, indeed, Bessie in your render or a different character? :)

    Nope, just a minute of dial spinning to come close. I figured I would make her look close even though the focus was on the cow, LOL.

    While I think Bessie is a quality addon, I can;t see a purpose for her in my workflow, but I hope she does well.

  • 3Diva3Diva Posts: 11,981
    FSMCDesigns said:
    divamakeup said:
    FSMCDesigns said:
    divamakeup said:

    It's good to know that Bessie is in good company, however Bessie the cow is quite common and known as is Bessie Bunter and other negative references to fat Bessie. 

     

     

    "Who's a good Bessie?" LOL Couldn't resist since you guys brought it up.

    I had an uncle who was a dairy farmer and had cows named Bessie, Bertha and Gilda, LOL

     

     

    lol Is that, indeed, Bessie in your render or a different character? :)

    Nope, just a minute of dial spinning to come close. I figured I would make her look close even though the focus was on the cow, LOL.

    While I think Bessie is a quality addon, I can;t see a purpose for her in my workflow, but I hope she does well.

    I hope she does well too, and hope that it shows Daz that there is a market for characters with some diversity - and that while "barbies" are nice, it's also nice to see some variety every once in a while. :) I hope if she sells well it will encourage even more diversity in the characters we get. :D There is definitely room for both barbies and more unique and diverse characters. 

  • jakibluejakiblue Posts: 7,281

    HA! i want to see that too :D 

    timmins.william said:

    Someone needs to make a Pam render...

    Beating up hobos.

     

     

  • jakibluejakiblue Posts: 7,281

    BeeMKay, i LOVE this! fantastic!

    I recognize those stairs too, but can't for the life of me think what they are.  

    BeeMKay said:

    Bessie's really a great character, and a great resource. This is her dialled in at 25%, combined with V7 at 60%, and playing around with Zev0's fantastic Age Morphs, for an Aging Heroine.

     

  • wizwiz Posts: 1,100

    My immediate (and annoying) association is with that country staple "Bessie the Heifer". Here's the original Jimmy Dickens, but you'll find covers by Wayne Newton, the Hee Haw gang, Disney's "Adventure Gang", and I believe there was a muppet show version.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZ_skUH8P9w

     

  • DirewrathDirewrath Posts: 225
    wolf359 said:

    " Nobody's body is the same, it stores fat differently"

     

    Exactly on this we agree

     

     

    "Some people want a character made for them, so what, that is their choice.  "

    Agreed and some people perfer to mix in dial settings and aging morphs to get particular look or persona that the PA failed to acheive with their prefabbed set of characteristics.
    That is what make DAZ ,and even poser, such a great option for visual story telling!!.    yes 

    Too true wink

  • BeeMKayBeeMKay Posts: 7,019
    jakiblue said:

    BeeMKay, i LOVE this! fantastic!

    I recognize those stairs too, but can't for the life of me think what they are.  

    BeeMKay said:

    Bessie's really a great character, and a great resource. This is her dialled in at 25%, combined with V7 at 60%, and playing around with Zev0's fantastic Age Morphs, for an Aging Heroine.

     

     

    Thank you, Jakiblue! blush

    (Though, being a retired heroine, she ought to have some scars from all the battles she went trough. But I was so excited to play with her that I completely forgot about that...)

    The stairs is http://www.daz3d.com/muelsfell-rocky-outcropping-display-base I like the Muelsfell displays - they are perfect for all kinds of scenes.

  • jakibluejakiblue Posts: 7,281

    AHA! I knew I had those stairs LOL. 

    I have that wound makeup pack for G3F which I really like - although I'd like MORE wounds/scars/cuts/damage :D Worth a look if you wanted to add scars etc. But yeah, I've always wanted to do an elderly warrior woman - must get those aged morphs one day when I have money LOL 

    BeeMKay said:
    jakiblue said:

    BeeMKay, i LOVE this! fantastic!

    I recognize those stairs too, but can't for the life of me think what they are.  

    BeeMKay said:

    Bessie's really a great character, and a great resource. This is her dialled in at 25%, combined with V7 at 60%, and playing around with Zev0's fantastic Age Morphs, for an Aging Heroine.

     

     

    Thank you, Jakiblue! blush

    (Though, being a retired heroine, she ought to have some scars from all the battles she went trough. But I was so excited to play with her that I completely forgot about that...)

    The stairs is http://www.daz3d.com/muelsfell-rocky-outcropping-display-base I like the Muelsfell displays - they are perfect for all kinds of scenes.

     

  • nicsttnicstt Posts: 11,715
    divamakeup said:
    wolf359 said:

    "Many heavy morphs do not take the human figure into consideration and just make the character look like they are really bloated, "

    That depends greatly on who made the  "Heavy"morphs
    and the end users understanding of proportional/vertical symmetry when applying them.
    Personally I dont understand why people need a vendor to provide them with a premade "non idealized" character with the multitude of morph options available for users to make their own ...... but thats just me.

    Here is "Contessa"( if you like) for the G2 female
    Made just by moving sliders  in Daz studio.

    Well, personally I don't understand why people need a vendor to provide them with a premade "idealized" character with the multitude of morph options available and the 100's upon 100's of already created idealized characters.

    See how that works?

    People who only use idealized shapes (or close to idealized with slight mods) who say "well anyone who wants anything different can just make it themselves" is just being silly and frankly a bit selfish - "I have MY wants met, I don't get what the big deal is". That's like a vegetarian saying "Well I don't mind that there aren't more meat options. Look at all these vegetables! And anyone who wants meat, look, you can make perfectly good tofu-burgers that look like meat and if you spice it right it tastes a bit like meat too." 

    That's like saying "well I have the ideal figures I want, everyone else can just spend their own time creating the types of characters they want". It shouldn't be an either or. There is room for diversity in the characters that are created. The people who only like the idealized shapes and sizes, do they buy all of them that come out? Absolutely not. A lot of them are being passed over simply because the market is flooded with them. If more diverse characters where created, that doesn't take away from people who like idealized shapes and sizes, since NO ONE buys all of the idealized shapes that get released. There is room for more diversity in the characters that get released and trying to tell people who want that diversity to "just make your own" isn't helpful. 

    Well said.

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