84 Trigger Happy Poses [commercial] + Video
Tako Yakida
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I added some violin music to your gunslinging! Yay for strings!!!!
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Trigger Happy Poses for Genesis 2 and Genesis 3 Male(s) and Female(s)
Get ready for the shootout of the century with these 84 high-quality and action-packed poses for all your Genesis 2 and Genesis 3 characters! What makes these poses special is the fact that they are designed to be used with any gun or guns of your choice for maximum usefulness and bang for your buck!
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Oh, these are great. That one of the two people diving for the gun is just what I need right now. Gonna purchase it for that alone. Awesome.
Glad you find it useful! Cheers, mate!
Can I say how pleased I am they're in G2* as well as G3* format?
Are the poses the same for the two versions? Same poses for G3 as they are for G2?
(reason i ask is that i noticed a pose in the G2 promos where she has the shotgun/rifle/whatever it is in one hand and leaning on the back of her neck with another pistol in the other hand and I didn't see it in the G3 promos...I REALLY like htat pose)
I bought them tonight, but I think something is missing...I can't find the Genesis 2 m/f poses anywhere...only the genesis 3 m/f are showing.
Says there are only "42" poses in it - 21 for the male, 21 for the female...(genesis 3)
I've searched the "Connect Library" and the poses are there in Genesis 3 Female and Genesis 3 Male, but nothing in Genesis 2. And in "Products" it only shows the Genesis 3 ones. I installed via Connect/Smart Content.
It installed okay for me. I use Poser so I dunno about DAZ Smart Content info, sorry, but they're saved here: \People\Genesis 2 Male\Poses\Tako Yakida\Trigger Happy Poses
Thanks guys! G2 is still alive and well! :)
@jakiblue:
When I went to download my own product I noticed that the install files for G2 were in a seperate link from G3 so had to download them both. I don't use Daz connect, just manual download so I can't advise on how to make Connect work either unfortunately. But I'm sure there is a way!
That pose you mention is there for G3 too. It's pose 16 for all figures. The promo for that one is the artistic one. It's a bit dark so perhaps that's why you didn't see them as the same. ;)
In DIM, there are two files - one for Genesis 2, one for Genesis 3.
In Product Library, there are two files, as above.
In Connect, there is one file and it's only the Genesis 3 ones.
I"ve sent in a support ticket for them to fix it for the Genesis 2 file to be available.
Thanks! Poses are great!
This is a big bugaboo for me because people sometimes emulate what they see in media. Or they let their perceptions become shaped and guided by what they see in media.
Except if I wanted to do a "dumb gun users" portfolio, I could not use any of these poses and therefore could not justify any purchase price. You see, many of these poses violate 2 or more of the 4 rules of safe gun handling. There's no way to say this gently. Just moving the index finger off the trigger won't be enough in serveral cases. The required changes in some of these poses would be WAY too time consuming for this product to be worth my time and money.
Here are the 4 rules of safe gun handling. I need these for any firearms poses in the store:
1. The gun is ALWAYS loaded.
2. NEVER point a gun at something you're not prepared to destroy (like your own body parts).
3. Always be sure of your target and what's behind it.
4. Keep your finger OFF the trigger until your sights are on the target.
The one of the girl with her finger on the trigger and the muzzle right up against her femoral artery REALLY made me grind my teeth.
Hollywood does this all the time, but we shouldn't. Please do some backround research so that you don't paint all gun owners/users as being foolish or irresponsible. It may have been unintentional, I know. If so, please note that this subject deserves thorough research!
I would like to see firearms poses done the right way. Then and only then will I be able to consider making a purchase. And that means finger off the trigger, unless there's also a muzzle-flash present in the scene.
Thank you for your consideration of this critical topic.
Just out of curiousity, I wonder what the ratio is of people who do pictures of people simply posing with guns as opposed to scenes of people in the process of firing them, or those seconds before firing them?
I know I've tried to pose a hand around a gun in a firing position without a pose set, and it took an inordinate amount of time for me to get the simple pose I was after. Up until now I've never been interested in doing shots of people merely posing with guns, so I'm biased toward poses that are ready to use, but Subtopic Pixel does bring up a point worth considering. Maybe the middle ground would be pose sets with safe and ready-to-fire positions included -- AS WELL AS being able to pose the top and lower half of the figure independently, which should be a standard feature with most pose sets.
I liked how you did this video with the turntable, allowing the pose to be seen from various angles.
For everyone doing renders of women going to battle in bikinis and high heels, I don't think realistic gun safety is a top priority. As with Hollywood, I think for a lot of us it's more important that it looks good than it's realistic.
With that said, there are certainly room for realistic poses (not only with guns) in the store.
I do do renders of both. I like illustrating muzzle flashes but it is not always appropriate for the scene.
And I picked up these guns poses. They look useful to me.
@jakiblue You're welcome! Do let us know when you get the issue resolved. :)
@Subtropic Pixel Your points are noteworthy. Next time I do a gun set I will need to keep them in mind. I would also suggest you let Daz know through their help page using the contact department "general feedback". My thinking is if they create a basic guidlines page for gun posing available to all the PA's it would significantly reduce the number of pose sets that have the errors in them since it is coming down to the PA's from the top so has maximum exposure.
@nelsonsmith That is a good idea to have 2 options for a pose, one ready to fire and one safe hand position version. I have done pose sets with upper half and lower half posing independent but they didn't sell too well so I am not sure if that was a fluke or what. I'm sure Daz marketing has more data on that.
@FirstBastion Thank you my good man. I thought it would be useful to show all angles. :)
@isidorn Indeed, it's an interesting balancing act to get all the elements in the right proportions between reality and fantasy
@Serene Night Thank you for your purchase
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Yes, two poses would be good. And interchangeable upper/lower body poses would be happily accepted.
But still, who points their gun at their thigh while their trigger is on the finger? And who holds a rifle down to the side or front with their finger on the bang-switch? That's not very bright even if the muzzle is just aimed at the ground. Rifle rounds move with massive force and velocity, so much that they can even go through brick and cinder-block walls, and even a ricochet can still be deadly. There are way too many of these images and poses, both in the store and in the gallery. Do you KNOW how light some triggers are?
I fired several guns just this weekend because I'm looking for a firearm with a fairly short trigger pull that doesn't require a great deal of force. Other guns have triggers that require more hand strength. For me, a lighter trigger pull translates to greater accuracy. Any of them, light or heavy, could be fired by accident, so I might as well go for one that will help me be more accurate.
You Tube is full of videos of people shooting themselves or others by accident or stupidity. One guy shoots himself in the hand while trying to rob another person in a business. In another video, a cop shoots himself while reholstering his gun. Many many examples, and yet EACH ONE could have been AVOIDED if the person had simply kept his or her finger OFF the trigger.
Another bugaboo for me is the old "two-fisted" way (carrying a gun in each hand, or a rifle in each hand, like Angelina Jolie). With the mechanics of the human hand being what they are, you can't do this very well unless your finger is on the trigger, which is a violation of rule 3. One trip, one twitch, and you're destroying anything in front of that muzzle (your foot, your friend), not to mention your hearing.
That's another thing. Minor, but maybe a nice value-add for a PA to create. I suggest that any "complete product" should include "eyes and ears". Protective earplugs or earmuffs and protective eyewear. Sure, if you're defending yourself coming home from work at night, you'll have to do without. But firing even a shot or two in an enclosed space such as a range or your bedroom can cause permanent hearing damage, so every good gun range (at least in the US) will require shooters to wear ear and eye protection, so why not include it in any firearms-related package? Just a thought.
Back to my original line of thought. This community is like a cross-section of society. Usually, that's a good thing. But in this issue there is massive, massive ignorance in society. Since we are a cross-section of society, there is some ignorance of this issue here, too. I don't mean that as an insult, it's just a fact. As a group, we are so blind about this issue that we don't even KNOW what we don't know. "Wanting it to look good" is not a good justification for remaining less-than-knowledgeable about this, and it's certainly no good reason to make media based on said ignorance.
I can't fix all of society, but I can bring some knowledge to this community, and I hope you take it to heart and in that same spirit of becoming more knowledgable in other matters such as modelling, posing, landscapes, texturing, rendering, postwork, and printing.
For everybody doing firearm poses, modelling real-world weapons, etc; I would highly recommend that you have a knowledgable friend take you shooting. Learn about how a trigger works (yeah, it's a "thing"!), learn about how the cylinder (revolver) or slide (semi-automatic) works, learn how a gun fits the user's hand and how it recoils upward from Einstein's Theory of Relativity. There's no better teacher than experience, so you will REALLY learn it if you take the time to do some shooting. Gain some understanding about how the magazine (hint: it's not a "clip"; that's a different thing!) fits and works, and learn about how the spent brass gets ejected, often in a not-so-predictable way.
Better yet, get some training from a real instructor. In fact, that's what I've been doing, because I realized that I was among the most ignorant of us, and it was translating poorly to my life-experiences and my 3D work. Knowledge can only improve our 3D work.
By the way, thank you all for not being offended by my first post. There's really no gentle way to bring this topic up without sounding full of myself and I'm so grateful that nobody took this the wrong way.
That is SO FAR from my mind right now that I hadn't considered it. However, there are many pics of lovely ladies posing with guns while wearing high heels and bikinis (or lingerie). Every one of these that I've seen show them following the 4 rules, and not once have I seen one of these ladies with her finger on the trigger and/or with the muzzle pointing at her legs (Jesus, that creeps me out just to type it).
Now I know your next question: Just how did I find these pics of lovely ladies? Well, I one day wondered if there were a lot of ladies who shoot guns. I see a lot of them at my local gun ranges (but not in bikinis), and wondered if this is typical. I am a researcher at heart, and with help from Google, I found that yes there are and to my surprise, quite a few like to wear bikinis and high heels when posing with their gat! I guess it's just best to be prepared for anything, yes?
I think for most artists poses are a starting place and you can adjust them to suit you preference. If you find a pose unrealistic tweaking it is the way to go. I personally frequently adjust hand position on firearms. And when I say frequently it is quite often.
Lots of people like and enjoy cinematic gun poses. Just as there are many who like sword wielding chicas in chainmail bikinis. Neither may be realistic per se. They are fantasy. Just are many fight and sword poses All Combat fantasy.
I personally rarely use the weapon depicted in the pose. I don't require weapons positions to accurately reflect modern weapons because I don't render contemporary firearms.
Since the subject has come up, allow me to draw your attention to my partial pose set freebie and original rant about proper gun safety in poses. I'll be expanding the set shortly with metadata and to ensure it works properly with Genesis 3 characters. For the content authors in the audience, let me point out that the poses are free for any use, including commercial distribution in your own products.
@Subtropic Pixel No problem! I agree having real life training and experience is the best for reproducing poses and models in the digiverse. There's a lot of information out there and much of it inaccurate. To truly know grants one an edge over the competition and life at large.
@Serene Night Adjustments are inevitable for sure. I'd like to see how far technology comes in a hundred years. Maybe by then the poses will adjust themselves. Might take a bit of research and devolpment in AI to make that happen though.
@Esemwy Thank you for the freebie and license! They look useful for development!
Esemwy, I read your rant and I thank you for putting forth your effort.
Just to reframe a point before I be quiet.
Some topics require no research. Observing people as they stand around or walk, for example. No research out side of watching your own friends and family members as they get juice from the refrigerator, bend over to wipe up spills, run the ball in their soccer game, and just generally go through their lives.
Other topics require some additional observations. For example, watching animals walk, swim, or fly, because we're not those animals and our bodies don't work the same way. So a little more effort needed here.
And still other topics will require a significant amount of actual "research". Putting together believable machinery, animating mechanical or organic behaviors, understanding customs and norms in certain activities, and so forth.
Firearms requires more research than other topics. Archery too, as noted in that other thread. Physics or particle simulations too. If you're a PA or developer and you want to sell people a mechanism for making pistons move, your product will be better if you have actually spent some time figuring out how pistons move.
Note: I saw the post about "gangsta gun poses", holding the gun sideways, posing with guns in pics, and all the other (ahem) stupid stuff that gangsters and wannabes do on the internet and in real life. I'm actually fine with this. Some of us will need to tell a story, and the best stories have some form of valid cultural reference, even if it's not what I would like to see. I just want the products to clearly state that these are not necessarily "proper" poses, but that they are stylistic poses or something else. Or better yet, offer multiple categories of poses. "Safe fingers" poses, "No muzzling" poses, etcetera.
Anyway, thank you to those PAs and artists who understand this topic and are willing to invest the time into this endeavor. Much appreciated!
There's definitely a place in the market for realistic gun poses. Just as there's a place for non-realistic ones. I've never held a gun in my life, much less actually even seen or touched one. And I like the chicas in chainmail bikinis with guns art that is HIGHLY unrealistic - it's what I do. :D
I buy most gun pose sets especially for gen 3. I have poses which run the gamut from realistic to silly pinup gun girl poses. I will buy any set for gen 3 Males because I really hate spending a lot of time posing the hands. I find with converted poses I have to do more than I like and since my characters frequently use gloves or bodyarmor pose adjusting is frequently needed because of the finger thickness.
the only poses I find I can't really use or adapt are the super acrobatic Liberace leaping gun poses where the character is flying through the air shooting both barrels. I haven't been able to pull that off more than once. Figures just look odd to me, but I like the challenge and have plenty of those types of poses so maybe I will succeed someday
As noted in my prior post, there are a lot of real-life pinup pics of girls with guns, so it's a big thing.
Yes, gloves will change the physics of the scene, just as they would change the physics for anybody handling a firearm in real life. I would probably not shoot with gloves due to not being able to feel the trigger's reset point. Yep, that's a thing that you can feel through the trigger in a semiautomatic firearm.
I totally agree about not wanting to spend time posing the hands.
May I suggest that by pulling it off in 3D only one time, you have pulled it off one time more than any real human could anyway.
Handguns are VERY difficult to aim even when your target is made of paper, at only 20 feet, and neither you nor your target are moving. At 20 feet, I can hit most vital organs by aiming at the heart, but that's in ideal conditions. At longer distances, my aim is not nearly as good.
And all of that is with 2 hands! So I'd never try to shoot two guns at the same time, Matrix style. It just isn't gonna happen, and you sacrifice a major safety factor when doing that. Sure, might be fun to see in a movie or comic book, but to me if it's something I shouldn't do in real life, then I feel kind of "meh" about the whole thing in media.
Believe it or not, this all started for me because I wanted to model a semiautomatic 9mm for use in DAZ Studio. It went from researching Sigs and Walthers to trying out some things in Blender, deciding that if it was worth doing then it should include proper slide and magazine operation, ejected brass, muzzle flash, and fine whisps coming from the barrel. Then I decided to take an introductory handgun course so that I could shoot regularly and take my time learning how they work. Now I find myself deciding on a firearm for personal defense. That decision came about after the assaults on women in Germany, as well as the terrorist attacks in France and California, and was recently reinforced by the Florida shootings and the riots up north.
So now I keep going back to the range (and I keep getting better). The Blender models are sitting dormant, but I am learning some valuable life skills and I realize that I should have done this years ago. One day I'll go back to do the modelling, but for now I've decided that this combined 3D research and self-defense project is an important priority.
I like action shots, so I'm prone to enjoying attempting to push the boundaries of what can be physically done but those poses are mostly beyond me. I think partly this is due to the lack of realism in the clothing. Nothing looks more corny than a stretched out character wearing a doughy outfit. Right now the characters look fairly good, weapons look great, but the lack of realism in certain parts of the figure and the stretch in the clothing makes some poses look corny to me.
In sci-fi you can easily imagine that weapons and people have data and targeting implants, built in huds in their helmets and possibly their skulls their guns might very well be smart, and might not fire ammo at all. Their eardrums might be reinforced.
I might try the full on leap shot with an inhuman android type character. At least it might be oddly creepy to use a bot in a pose that is supposed to be super action hero-y.
Ah, so many projects so little time.
Having real life experience and knowledge of things tend to spoil a lot of fiction if we expect it to reflect the reality we know. We can choose to either get upset about that the fiction is unrealistic, or detach our reality craving mind and sit back and enjoy the ride. When watching fiction, I personally highly prefer the latter. I'm spending so much time in reality as it is. But I'll admit I also have pet peeves I find particulary hard to ignore but there's also things that I'm happy about not following the laws of reality. How fun would it be to watch a big starship battle in a sci-fi movie if there were no sound, fire or explosions in space, just because it's physically impossible?
I've gone through basic military training, of course including weapon safety and I'm very aware of not having a finger on the trigger until you actually are going to shoot. Even so, I found when I had a look at the few renders I've done including firearms, that they all had the characters with a finger on the trigger. But as I have no intention of making renders that are documents of real life, I simply don't care. Nor do I care when seeing the work of others that are obvious fiction. ShibaShake's artistic renders for this pose product are great and it's not excactly the trigger fingers that catches my attention. But with that said, for anyone wanting to do renders with realistic gun poses I can understand that more such poses in the store would be desireable. Just as there are demands for more realisticly proportioned character models or more realistic clothes, especially footwear.
When it comes to real life pictures of real life models posing with real (?) guns, one can only hope that someone on the set has knowledge of weapons safety to prevent the model from shooting herself or someone else. So that those pictures have correct posing is not so strange. But just look at movie posters where someone holds a gun and there's not many to find where there's not a finger on the trigger. Fiction will be fiction.
This is incredibly true. And sometimes when you do know stuff you have to bite your tongue. For instance back in my day more people who wrote science fiction tended to have a science background and they were pretty meticulous when they used science in their stories, because they knew that not only would their audiences call them on it, but because they cared about that stuff. Nowadays most media purporting to be science fiction is abounding with scientific inaccuraccies, and one would find themselves extremely unpopular if they were to take the time to point them all out.
Now while it is true that we live in an age where people tend to emulate what they see to a much greater extent than they have in the past (imho) it can not be incumbent upon artists to have to compensate for stupid people -- that's what natural selection is for. I also believe people should "know the rules before they break the rules", so I'm also not about to assume that people who do gun poses don't in fact know exactly when a pose they do is not considered safe -- and that especially goes for movies, because all films with firearms tend to have a firearm expert on the set. Not saying that there isn't irresponsible art out there, but at some point people have to take some personal responsibilty, and some things, like proper firearm etiquette should be a no brainer -- especially if you happen to own one.
Adults should not have to be told "Don't try this at home".
And don't even get me started on the topic of swordsmanship, because being a fencer, I wince at a lot of sword play in art and movies, but I still love the heck out of a well choreographed sword fight no matter how fantastic it might be.
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I find context makes a great deal of difference. Extreme "artistic license" in a drama depicting current day situations, on subjects of which I am knowledgeable, is unsettling, or perhaps even humorous. In a fantasy of sci-fi settings, it is much less so. The gun handling in The Matrix, for example, bothered me not at all, but everytime I hear them cock the hammer on a Glock (a Glock has no hammer) in a police procedural on TV, I cringe.
Anything like this for Genesis 1 figures?
I was thinking of adding genesis classic to my next set. Not sure what my next set will be though.
Been 13 days since I sent in a support ticket saying the Genesis 2 file isn't in Smart Content to be downloaded....it's still not there. LOL.