Question about New Born Baby

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  • TJohnTJohn Posts: 11,352
    edited December 1969

    I enjoy a challenge so I thought I'd give it a shot. I googled up a bunch of human proportional charts with newborns on them, then used the Baby for Genesis as a starting point. About a gazillion morph sliders and scalings later, I got this little guy,
    A few things I learned:
    A newborn's head is about one-fourth of his length.
    The head is an oval shape that is very wide at the top. The eyes are smaller and set much wider apart than a month-old baby's.
    I couldn't morph out Genesis Baby's pug nose, but decided it's cute on him. :)

    I looked at dozens of newborn photos, and almost all were wearing stocking caps, which also took care of the eyebrow problem. I didn't put the diaper on him because it looked like he was "packing a load". :)
    I added SSS to the skin. I think it helps the texture.

    This many morphs in use at once made him hard to pose, so I had to break his little limits. I also had to use some creative camera angles, but there's no post-work but the sig. I'm reasonably happy with the results. I think he looks no more than 1-2 weeks old, anyway.
    John

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  • TJohnTJohn Posts: 11,352
    edited December 1969

    And in T-pose.

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  • RCDescheneRCDeschene Posts: 2,816
    edited February 2014

    Those legs... :long:

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  • mjc1016mjc1016 Posts: 15,001
    edited December 1969

    tjohn said:
    I enjoy a challenge so I thought I'd give it a shot. I googled up a bunch of human proportional charts with newborns on them, then used the Baby for Genesis as a starting point. About a gazillion morph sliders and scalings later, I got this little guy,
    A few things I learned:
    A newborn's head is about one-fourth of his length.
    The head is an oval shape that is very wide at the top. The eyes are smaller and set much wider apart than a month-old baby's.
    I couldn't morph out Genesis Baby's pug nose, but decided it's cute on him. :)

    I looked at dozens of newborn photos, and almost all were wearing stocking caps, which also took care of the eyebrow problem. I didn't put the diaper on him because it looked like he was "packing a load". :)
    I added SSS to the skin. I think it helps the texture.

    This many morphs in use at once made him hard to pose, so I had to break his little limits. I also had to use some creative camera angles, but there's no post-work but the sig. I'm reasonably happy with the results. I think he looks no more than 1-2 weeks old, anyway.
    John

    I'll get the 'official' word from my wife, later...but the shear number of morphs that need to be used is what's leading me to believe that to get any better will require a custom sculpt.

    Or the purchase of some of the merchant resource morph packs...but I'm not sure that they will even have what is needed.

    As to the 'hard to pose'...did you adjust the shape/rigging after you were done? Many of the extreme morphs change things enough that adjustment is needed.

  • beachlegsbeachlegs Posts: 526
    edited December 1969

    tjohn said:
    And in T-pose.

    Good going tjohn I would say he is a little older though.

  • beachlegsbeachlegs Posts: 526
    edited December 1969

    Those legs... :long:

    Are you going to have ago and make one.

  • TJohnTJohn Posts: 11,352
    edited December 1969

    mjc1016 said:
    tjohn said:
    I enjoy a challenge so I thought I'd give it a shot. I googled up a bunch of human proportional charts with newborns on them, then used the Baby for Genesis as a starting point. About a gazillion morph sliders and scalings later, I got this little guy,
    A few things I learned:
    A newborn's head is about one-fourth of his length.
    The head is an oval shape that is very wide at the top. The eyes are smaller and set much wider apart than a month-old baby's.
    I couldn't morph out Genesis Baby's pug nose, but decided it's cute on him. :)

    I looked at dozens of newborn photos, and almost all were wearing stocking caps, which also took care of the eyebrow problem. I didn't put the diaper on him because it looked like he was "packing a load". :)
    I added SSS to the skin. I think it helps the texture.

    This many morphs in use at once made him hard to pose, so I had to break his little limits. I also had to use some creative camera angles, but there's no post-work but the sig. I'm reasonably happy with the results. I think he looks no more than 1-2 weeks old, anyway.
    John

    I'll get the 'official' word from my wife, later...but the shear number of morphs that need to be used is what's leading me to believe that to get any better will require a custom sculpt.

    Or the purchase of some of the merchant resource morph packs...but I'm not sure that they will even have what is needed.

    As to the 'hard to pose'...did you adjust the shape/rigging after you were done? Many of the extreme morphs change things enough that adjustment is needed.
    Didn't change the rigging, no (I wouldn't know how, LOL). I just had problems with "cracks" appearing in the surfaces and had to adjust the poses (rotation, etc.) until they went away.

    @ RCD
    As far as the legs go, my references showed them with large knees and low muscular development in the legs themselves especially as viewed from the front. This would make sense because a newborn has stronger arms than legs, for a reason. Those little hands grab on to a finger, or Mom's clothes (or hair) with a death grip. This is definitely a plus in reducing their rate of being accidentally dropped and so aids in survival.
    But no 2 newborns are exactly alike (except for identical twins, of course). :)

    The best I can do is not perfect, and never has been. And constructive criticism is always appreciated. Although "those legs" doesn't give me a lot to work with. :lol:

  • mjc1016mjc1016 Posts: 15,001
    edited February 2014

    "Official" word from my wife...head looks pretty good. Torso is fine...but the legs aren't 'right'...

    She didn't give any ideas on what to do to make them right.

    To adjust the rigging...

    Edit > Figure > Rigging > Adjust Rigging to shape...then you need to save it...

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  • KinnieMKinnieM Posts: 133
    edited December 1969

    I have been working on creating a baby genesis using the dials and this is what I have so far; still a work in progress and baby is dressed in regency attire (around 1810)

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  • ByrdieByrdie Posts: 1,783
    edited December 1969

    Cute! Kinda reminds me of a doll I once had.

  • TJohnTJohn Posts: 11,352
    edited December 1969

    KinnieM said:
    I have been working on creating a baby genesis using the dials and this is what I have so far; still a work in progress and baby is dressed in regency attire (around 1810)

    She is very sweet. :)
  • beachlegsbeachlegs Posts: 526
    edited December 1969

    KinnieM said:
    I have been working on creating a baby genesis using the dials and this is what I have so far; still a work in progress and baby is dressed in regency attire (around 1810)

    She is sweet that's for sure :)

  • mjc1016mjc1016 Posts: 15,001
    edited December 1969

    Well, it's been a bit of work, but I'm seeing the light at the end of the tunnel...

    I'm pretty happy with this skin texture, but I've got a little seem fixing to do yet and I still need to finish the mouth textures. But I should be able to post this within a few days.

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  • beachlegsbeachlegs Posts: 526
    edited December 1969

    mjc1016 said:
    Well, it's been a bit of work, but I'm seeing the light at the end of the tunnel...

    I'm pretty happy with this skin texture, but I've got a little seem fixing to do yet and I still need to finish the mouth textures. But I should be able to post this within a few days.

    He looks amazing you have worked so hard and I really appreciate you taking the time I thought this thread had died lol
    I say he but could also be a girl how cool :)

  • Jan_ScrapperJan_Scrapper Posts: 611
    edited July 2016
    scorpio said:

    I think this is the best I've got the baby to look, its an old image.

    Wow, this is just an awesome work!   Thank you for the dial settings!!

     

     

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  • Jan_ScrapperJan_Scrapper Posts: 611
    scorpio said:

     

    beachsidelegs said:

    scorpio64dragon said:

    I've just tracked down the scene file for that image and no its not Genesis its Kids 4, its older than I thought
    here are the dial spins,
    from what I can remember there was some scaling done on individual parts as well, and a bit of post work on the image to cover some mesh breaks.
    I've done a baby with Genesis as well I'll see if I can find an image.

     

    My word kids 4 you did an amazing job, I am well impressed with that :)

     

    Thank you.

    Here's a Genesis baby, I'm still not happy with it, it looks like a doll to me. Babies are very difficult its difficult enough to try and get a realistic image of an adult out of CG, children are harder and babies near impossible.

    I LOVE this Genesis Baby!!!  I can't use DS, but this certainly makes me want to!!

  • IceDragonArtIceDragonArt Posts: 12,922

    I held off buying the mil baby and baby luna over on hivewire for these very same reasons. I finally broke down when both were highly discounted figuring I would play with morphs at some point.  I don't honestly have much use for children or babies but I like to have them just in case.  One never knows when one might find an infant in a dragon's nest or something lol.  A good baby with decent accessories would probably make a difference in how often I actually used them though. I held out on buying baby luna until I saw the morphs available for her because the original just totally creeped me out for some reason.  No idea why she isn't an ugly baby but something about her just was off to me.  The other morphs for her looked more realistic somehow though which helped push her into the cart when she was on sale as a bundle.

  • Jan_ScrapperJan_Scrapper Posts: 611

    I held off buying the mil baby and baby luna over on hivewire for these very same reasons. I finally broke down when both were highly discounted figuring I would play with morphs at some point.  I don't honestly have much use for children or babies but I like to have them just in case.  One never knows when one might find an infant in a dragon's nest or something lol.  A good baby with decent accessories would probably make a difference in how often I actually used them though. I held out on buying baby luna until I saw the morphs available for her because the original just totally creeped me out for some reason.  No idea why she isn't an ugly baby but something about her just was off to me.  The other morphs for her looked more realistic somehow though which helped push her into the cart when she was on sale as a bundle.

    I will have to check her out!!  I have done some cute stuff with MB3, but I want a baby, not a toddler!!

  • IceDragonArtIceDragonArt Posts: 12,922

    I held off buying the mil baby and baby luna over on hivewire for these very same reasons. I finally broke down when both were highly discounted figuring I would play with morphs at some point.  I don't honestly have much use for children or babies but I like to have them just in case.  One never knows when one might find an infant in a dragon's nest or something lol.  A good baby with decent accessories would probably make a difference in how often I actually used them though. I held out on buying baby luna until I saw the morphs available for her because the original just totally creeped me out for some reason.  No idea why she isn't an ugly baby but something about her just was off to me.  The other morphs for her looked more realistic somehow though which helped push her into the cart when she was on sale as a bundle.

    I will have to check her out!!  I have done some cute stuff with MB3, but I want a baby, not a toddler!!

    They have some decent clothing etc stuff for Luna as well as some fairy morphs etc

  • IkyotoIkyoto Posts: 1,159

    now i need a deep fryer

  • TSasha SmithTSasha Smith Posts: 27,371

    There is Luna which I did get.  Maybe if mil baby 3 got weight mapped that would help.

     

    When I saw this thread I thought yeah a new born baby is released but alas not the case.

  • beachlegsbeachlegs Posts: 526

    I know I am still waiting for someone to pop out a new born so to speak, The babies that are around look about six months old the faces are too old for a new born baby :(

  • vwranglervwrangler Posts: 4,985

    I did this one with Genesis child moved to Genesis 2 Female, then used a bunch of Growing Up and other morphs to age her down, so to speak. I guess she's maybe supposed to be a couple months old in that image? Not really sure, since I'm not great at judging ages (and you can't really see her face anyway). Her size is a bit deceptive, since the guy holding her is based on Gianni 6, so he's got a lot of arm to work with. Also, it turned out that the mesh on her legs was not at all happy with the size reduction and crumpled on her shins, so it's a good thing she's wearing long clothes. 

    Oddly, before this thread popped back up, I just used GenX2 to move her over to G3F as a single morph. No problems with the leg mesh at all. Unfortunately, I don't have a texture that will work for the G3F version; the LegacyUV product has issues when it's compressed that hard, so I can't use the same texture I used before. And, honestly, it wasn't about having anything I needed her for, just a thought experiment.

    Click on this link to see it larger and in more detail.

    Baby mine

  • beachlegsbeachlegs Posts: 526

    She does look a little older than a new born but all the same she looks wonderful love her little face and pretty outfit, I have Genesis 2 female so when I have more time will have a play although I am not holding my breath on producing a new born baby. Wonderful image my friend and very cute baby :)

  • TSasha SmithTSasha Smith Posts: 27,371

    so far I can as many pregnant women as I want but no new borns for them to have.

  • vwranglervwrangler Posts: 4,985
    edited July 2016
    beachlegs said:

    She does look a little older than a new born but all the same she looks wonderful love her little face and pretty outfit, I have Genesis 2 female so when I have more time will have a play although I am not holding my breath on producing a new born baby. Wonderful image my friend and very cute baby :)

    Thank you!

    If you have Genesis 3 Female/Male and any of the morph packages (and GenX2), I would recommend using Genesis 3 instead of Genesis 2. I really can't exaggerate how badly G2F's legs take to being compressed to 30% or less of adult height. Average newborn height/length is about 20 inches in the US, depending on ethnicity, maternal nutrition and health, all that stuff. Dividing out by average adult height (65-68 inches for women, 68-70 inches for men) gets you the percentages. Any road, G3F seems to take the compression much better.

    The outfit is all from Wendy's wilmapdigitalcreations.co.uk; two instances of the nightgown (one a lace layer over the other) and the cap from one of the winter outfits.

    EDIT: So I was looking at some images of newborns online, just to see if I could do it again with G3F, since her legs don't do as badly. (They don't do *well*, exactly, but not as badly.) And it occurred to me that what's needed to make a good newborn is, of all things, Aging Morphs. Newborns tend to be puffy and sag in more or less the same places as older adults. They have what Aging Morphs calls "laugh lines, around the mouth, that vanish as they get older. They've got puffiness and sag around the eyes that disappears as the face fills out as well. It doesn't take long for things to fill out a bit, but for a time after birth, they're kind of ... saggy, for lack of a better word.

    As it currently stands, you can probably make a better head/face for closeups with G2F, but a better figure for a moderate to distant image with G3F. Aging Morphs 3 is due out vaguely soon-ish, so it should be possible to make a fairly convincing baby when that comes out.

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  • seeker273seeker273 Posts: 449

    Luna is super cute and it can range from baby to about 2-3 years old(?) I'm really not good with ages.

     

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  • beachlegsbeachlegs Posts: 526
    edited July 2016
    vwrangler said:
    beachlegs said:

    She does look a little older than a new born but all the same she looks wonderful love her little face and pretty outfit, I have Genesis 2 female so when I have more time will have a play although I am not holding my breath on producing a new born baby. Wonderful image my friend and very cute baby :)

    Thank you!

    If you have Genesis 3 Female/Male and any of the morph packages (and GenX2), I would recommend using Genesis 3 instead of Genesis 2. I really can't exaggerate how badly G2F's legs take to being compressed to 30% or less of adult height. Average newborn height/length is about 20 inches in the US, depending on ethnicity, maternal nutrition and health, all that stuff. Dividing out by average adult height (65-68 inches for women, 68-70 inches for men) gets you the percentages. Any road, G3F seems to take the compression much better.

    The outfit is all from Wendy's wilmapdigitalcreations.co.uk; two instances of the nightgown (one a lace layer over the other) and the cap from one of the winter outfits.

    EDIT: So I was looking at some images of newborns online, just to see if I could do it again with G3F, since her legs don't do as badly. (They don't do *well*, exactly, but not as badly.) And it occurred to me that what's needed to make a good newborn is, of all things, Aging Morphs. Newborns tend to be puffy and sag in more or less the same places as older adults. They have what Aging Morphs calls "laugh lines, around the mouth, that vanish as they get older. They've got puffiness and sag around the eyes that disappears as the face fills out as well. It doesn't take long for things to fill out a bit, but for a time after birth, they're kind of ... saggy, for lack of a better word.

    As it currently stands, you can probably make a better head/face for closeups with G2F, but a better figure for a moderate to distant image with G3F. Aging Morphs 3 is due out vaguely soon-ish, so it should be possible to make a fairly convincing baby when that comes out.

    I think you hit it on the head with the aging of the face as that is exactly what is needed for a new born :) I cant wait to see the new aging morphs I think they will go alond way to helping for sure....Thank you so much :)

    edit to fix quote

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  • beachlegsbeachlegs Posts: 526
    edited July 2016
    seeker273 said:

    Luna is super cute and it can range from baby to about 2-3 years old(?) I'm really not good with ages.

    Luna is cute for sure and I would say your right on age....As Kulay wolf pointed out a new born with all the wrinkles and as small as a new born is what I am looking for. I have only seen toddler size babies up to now apart from one on the net that is a prenatal baby 3d model but the size is perfect  if all else fails I will keep that in mind to fall back on. :)

    Edit to fix quote

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  • McGyverMcGyver Posts: 7,085
    edited July 2016
    Tjohn said:

    I enjoy a challenge so I thought I'd give it a shot. I googled up a bunch of human proportional charts with newborns on them, then used the Baby for Genesis as a starting point. About a gazillion morph sliders and scalings later, I got this little guy,
    A few things I learned:
    A newborn's head is about one-fourth of his length.
    The head is an oval shape that is very wide at the top. The eyes are smaller and set much wider apart than a month-old baby's.
    I couldn't morph out Genesis Baby's pug nose, but decided it's cute on him. :)

    I looked at dozens of newborn photos, and almost all were wearing stocking caps, which also took care of the eyebrow problem. I didn't put the diaper on him because it looked like he was "packing a load". :)
    I added SSS to the skin. I think it helps the texture.

    This many morphs in use at once made him hard to pose, so I had to break his little limits. I also had to use some creative camera angles, but there's no post-work but the sig. I'm reasonably happy with the results. I think he looks no more than 1-2 weeks old, anyway.
    John

    That looks pretty good Tjohn.  Many infant images tend to look too much like a one or two year old shrunken down... I think the tummy pose with the legs posed the way they are is good too... very new infants tend to have a "frog legs" thing going on... There is something about the undeveloped hips that makes then default to position and I think that tends to get ignored a lot. Also the SSS adds a lot to the suggestion of "new born"... Newborns tend to have more translucence and blotchiness going on in their first few weeks and in that scene the skin looks right.

     One thing that I've noticed that always breaks the realism of an image (with an infant) is lack of good looking (disposable) diapers or a convincing "baby burrito" wrap... Most tend to look too tight and thin... They don't look wrapped, almost like the are a preformed sleeve.

     

    EDITED TO ADD... I just noticed this thread is from 2014... Oh well.. 

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